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Sussan Ley - how loong?

How long will Sussan Ley be Liberal leader?

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It's really poor polling

I find is astounding they have no clear communicated policies
They're like the Victorian Libs. They're in policy paralysis.

Their rank and file have become so extreme they can't put together a policy which they would agree to but would also win votes.

And when the leadership listens to them and then tells them their policies are unpopular, the rank and file blame the leaders.

Sky News are the megaphone for these people. "If we just get more extreme all these quiet Australians will join us". Despite this failing for multiple elections and in multiple states, decisively.

What has happened in a macro sense is that the party is no longer well-aligned with previously- aligned interests.
The media used to try to have broad appeal, now it just tells what customers it has left what they want to hear. Rich donors like Gina and Gerry Harvey used to be able to convince people that trickle-down economics would work for voters (and therefore Liberal MPs). Now nobody's buying it. And these rich donors are blaming the people "for being wrong" which alienates voters, viewers and previous party members even more.

The Liberal Party is trying to work with a media who only want to appeal to a small portion of the population and big donors who agree with them. If this were a proportional democracy, they'd stand a much bigger chance. But under this system, they're doomed.
 
The poll was also taken at the height of the Jacinta/Indian migrants comments mess. It really backfired on her for not taking a stronger stand, I wonder what the poll respondents would have said had she firmly came down on Price on day one.
I'm not convinced ot would have been any better. I'm not sure who would have been on board right up until their most recent shenanigans. I think the 42% that's left are there no matter what.
 
I'm not convinced ot would have been any better. I'm not sure who would have been on board right up until their most recent shenanigans. I think the 42% that's left are there no matter what.
I think that 42% are probably splintering into all sorts of weird sub-groups. The anarchist-style small Govt people, then there's the rich people who need to curtail the anarchists, then there's the religious nuts.

This party doesn't seem like it can remain a broad church internally, but perhaps enough to retain the 2PP as long as 2PP remains relevant.
 
The fundies are making their move on the National Liberal Party once and for all. From now on, it'll be unpopular theocracy-based policy-making.

 

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hastie wants the performative benefits of taking a principled stand against what many conservatives see as an egregious labor-lite leader ..... he'll then use that as fodder to rally the base

straight out of the tony "macho man' abbott playbook

expect a newscorp photo shoot draped in the flag next - laughable, predictable and nauseating
 
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my guess is the hastie move is a strategic one by the rightist crazies to topple ley. will they ever learn?


 
my guess is the hastie move is a strategic one by the rightist crazies to topple ley. will they ever learn?



They wont learn for a few more elections. They have the safe seats and the top spots in the Senate. It is the moderates who are failing by losing their seats to Labor and the Teals.

Of course once the last of the moderates are gone and they keep losing seats they may wake up to it.

They are rich and successful but severely lacking in intelligence. Nepotism works fine in the business world or autocracies but not in genuine democracies.
 
They wont learn for a few more elections. They have the safe seats and the top spots in the Senate. It is the moderates who are failing by losing their seats to Labor and the Teals.

Of course once the last of the moderates are gone and they keep losing seats they may wake up to it.

They are rich and successful but severely lacking in intelligence. Nepotism works fine in the business world or autocracies but not in genuine democracies.

what arrant nonsense. abbott was a moderate? frydenberg was a moderate? sharma was a moderate? falinsi was a moderate? wilson, who lost a blue ribbon seat and scraped home in dubious circumstances this time and will go the next time, was a moderate?
 
what arrant nonsense. abbott was a moderate? frydenberg was a moderate? sharma was a moderate? falinsi was a moderate? wilson, who lost a blue ribbon seat and scraped home in dubious circumstances this time and will go the next time, was a moderate?

Did I say they were the moderates?

Its not just the politicians losing too. Moderates behind the scenes in terms of electorate staff, party secretaries, etc are also leaving in droves.
 
Breaking News:
War criminal mum unloads on Andrew Hastie with a 37 page dossier.

So there might be a pic of hastie allegedly drinking beer out of a an prosthetic leg.

If that photo exists and is leaked, the damage would be big.
 
So there might be a pic of hastie allegedly drinking beer out of a an prosthetic leg.

If that photo exists and is leaked, the damage would be big.
There must be something damning in the 37 pages. Also, the mum is a campaigner for denying war crimes.
A right royal mess all the way round.
 
Going Thatcherite, hyperindividualism and punish the poors during a CoL crisis is certainly a choice by Sussan.

 

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There must be something damning in the 37 pages. Also, the mum is a campaigner for denying war crimes.
A right royal mess all the way round.

There’s one good thing Hastie did was testify against BRS, but big noting himself in those articles gained him the ire of the pro BRS establishment.

There may be pics of him downing piss from the prosthetic leg, or dressed up at the SAS KKK party. I would have thought his comments on women in the military or against Chinese people or his bible rant the other day would rule him ineligible for the PM’s office but that assumes we have a decent media.
 
Breaking News:
War criminal mum unloads on Andrew Hastie with a 37 page dossier.

when a decorated* former SAS soldier has to have his mummy fight his battles ...... well ...... lets just say things arnt as alpha male macho as you would like them to be

* now discredited - and proven so by several layers of the australian judicial system
 
Did I say they were the moderates?

Its not just the politicians losing too. Moderates behind the scenes in terms of electorate staff, party secretaries, etc are also leaving in droves.
my bad. i misinterpreted your post. the only thing i'd say about it is that it doesn't seem to me the libs are replacing the rightist crazies with moderates. wilson is still in goldstein. and amelia hamer, who stood for Kooyong, while not a crazy, is no moderate.
 
my bad. i misinterpreted your post. the only thing i'd say about it is that it doesn't seem to me the libs are replacing the rightist crazies with moderates. wilson is still in goldstein. and amelia hamer, who stood for Kooyong, while not a crazy, is no moderate.

Correct. The moderates stopped bothering. Many in the party were trying to recruit them, including lining up a number of successful women but the higher ups were more interested in promoting their male senior advisers. To the point where potential candidates were being made to wait a year or more - meaning they were putting their business lives on hold for a year. Successful, young high-flyers being told to wait and not take the big promotions interstate or overseas.

Eventually they would just leave the party and take the jobs they were actually being offered.
 
what arrant nonsense. abbott was a moderate? frydenberg was a moderate? sharma was a moderate? falinsi was a moderate? wilson, who lost a blue ribbon seat and scraped home in dubious circumstances this time and will go the next time, was a moderate?
They pretended to be though.

It's why they became deeply unpopular almost immediately after they gained a chance to exercise their power.

Fredo killed himself with the Thatcher butt sniffing and waging war on the Victorian electorate at the behest of the Sydney press corp. Abbott got a free ride, then immediately was revealed to a complacent public as a complete nutbag. Sharma a nobody pretending to be a Teal till he opened his yapper.

Wilson is an IPA flog but has somehow marketed himself as less insane because he isn't overtly religious. Too bad he keeps siding with and defending the nutty wing of the party.

I'd say these guys were all holdovers from the Rodent school of political skullduggery. Howard pretended to be a moderate and everyman, whilst mainstreaming the rightwing of the party.

Unfortunately that doesn't work as well with younger voters. The reactionaries are also out loud and proud now.
 

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He was only thinking of his career.

As the allegations were becoming publicly known in the late 2010s he sensed he had to publicly distance himself from them if he wanted to further his political career. But it’s very important to note he only started speaking out after enlisted SAS personnel first demanded an investigation.

If he genuinely wanted to do the right thing as an officer he could’ve stopped the behaviour at the time, or reported the rumours to higher ups much sooner. But he was a participant in the SASR culture of silence as most members were until a few brave ones decided to blow the whistle.
 
my bad. i misinterpreted your post. the only thing i'd say about it is that it doesn't seem to me the libs are replacing the rightist crazies with moderates. wilson is still in goldstein. and amelia hamer, who stood for Kooyong, while not a crazy, is no moderate.

What is your understanding of what is a moderate?
 
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will all her flaws, ley is attempting to bring the reactionaries back to the centre. but the rightist crazies like credlin (who thinks the party is her fiefdom) would rather wreck it than see it become more moderate.
Credlin's viewers are anything but moderate.

It's the coupling of the Liberals and the conservative media which is the problem for the Libs. The extremists are becoming more extreme, in an echo-chamber spiral with the news companies they consume. They're flying miles away from centrist voters and moderate liberals.
 
Credlin's viewers are anything but moderate.

It's the coupling of the Liberals and the conservative media which is the problem for the Libs. The extremists are becoming more extreme, in an echo-chamber spiral with the news companies they consume. They're flying miles away from centrist voters and moderate liberals.
no one has ever suggested credlin is anything but a rightist crazy. well, maybe fellow cookers.
 

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