Sussan Ley - how loong?

[Not Important]

What is your understanding of what is a moderate?

in the current reactionary political climate, anyone who puts space between right-wing crazies like the mad monk and the cretin credlin.

 

[schneebly111]

What is your understanding of what is a moderate?

Turnbull, some of the state Liberals (the ones remaining that haven’t been hijacked by the religious right like NSW), Bridget Archer, Andrew Gee; Pyne, Brandis, where Hewson and Fraser ended up.

The Teals - socially progressive but economically liberal.

They are what I’d consider to be moderates. But there’s only a handful of Libs left who could be considered “moderate”. Absolutely none of them have leadership potential and none will be able to prevent the inevitable Taylor/Hastie/Abbott removal of Ley

Moderates (Liberal Party of Australia) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And to get that “moderate” list that had to include idiots like Hume who went out of her way to insult Chinese Australian voters.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Imagine bootlicking the most detestable clowns and losers in the US Senate?

I'm sure that's what the Australian public wants, Ted Cruz dictating Australian foreign policy via sycophants in the Liberal Party.

Ley writes to Republicans on Gaza ahead of Albanese's UN address

In an unorthodox move, Opposition Leader Sussan Ley writes to a group of Republicans reassuring the Coalition would withdraw recognition of Palestine, ahead of a major United Nations address to be delivered by the prime minister.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Northalives]

Imagine bootlicking the most detestable clowns and losers in the US Senate?

I'm sure that's what the Australian public wants, Ted Cruz dictating Australian foreign policy via sycophants in the Liberal Party.

Ley writes to Republicans on Gaza ahead of Albanese's UN address

In an unorthodox move, Opposition Leader Sussan Ley writes to a group of Republicans reassuring the Coalition would withdraw recognition of Palestine, ahead of a major United Nations address to be delivered by the prime minister.

www.abc.net.au

It's a f****ng dog act by a f****ng entitled ______ (enter your own description).

 

[Northalives]

Turnbull, some of the state Liberals (the ones remaining that haven’t been hijacked by the religious right like NSW), Bridget Archer, Andrew Gee; Pyne, Brandis, where Hewson and Fraser ended up.

The Teals - socially progressive but economically liberal.

They are what I’d consider to be moderates. But there’s only a handful of Libs left who could be considered “moderate”. Absolutely none of them have leadership potential and none will be able to prevent the inevitable Taylor/Hastie/Abbott removal of Ley

Moderates (Liberal Party of Australia) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And to get that “moderate” list that had to include idiots like Hume who went out of her way to insult Chinese Australian voters.

In other words, the Liberals are f****d! You beauty!!

 

[Johnny Bananas]

will all her flaws, ley is attempting to bring the reactionaries back to the centre. but the rightist crazies like credlin (who thinks the party is her fiefdom) would rather wreck it than see it become more moderate.

I hope Credlin succeeds. I've heard the objection that we need a sensible right of centre party for when Labor are unpopular with the electorate, but there's no reason that has to always be the current form of the Liberals, as they've died and re-formed many times previously. The more extreme the current Liberal Party becomes, the more likely it is that they will split at some point. Then the moderates can run on a half decent platform with a real shot of governing, and the extremists can have the 10-15% of votes they truly earn, instead of being able to use the moderates to siphon more votes from people with an outdated idea of what the Liberals truly are.

Now of course the moderates could still form a coalition with the extremists to govern, but that's not a given. And if it did happen, if the moderates had more MPs they would have the whip hand in negotiations, and could put the extremists in their place on policy.

Turnbull, some of the state Liberals (the ones remaining that haven’t been hijacked by the religious right like NSW), Bridget Archer, Andrew Gee; Pyne, Brandis, where Hewson and Fraser ended up.

Brandis? The one who angrily defended the right of people to be bigots? Not in my mind.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

In other words, the Liberals are f****d! You beauty!!

More chances for Labor to move even further right! Yay!

 

[Not Important]

I hope Credlin succeeds. I've heard the objection that we need a sensible right of centre party for when Labor are unpopular with the electorate, but there's no reason that has to always be the current form of the Liberals, as they've died and re-formed many times previously. The more extreme the current Liberal Party becomes, the more likely it is that they will split at some point. Then the moderates can run on a half decent platform with a real shot of governing, and the extremists can have the 10-15% of votes they truly earn, instead of being able to use the moderates to siphon more votes from people with an outdated idea of what the Liberals truly are.

Now of course the moderates could still form a coalition with the extremists to govern, but that's not a given. And if it did happen, if the moderates had more MPs they would have the whip hand in negotiations, and could put the extremists in their place on policy.


Brandis? The one who angrily defended the right of people to be bigots? Not in my mind.

odd character is brandis. just when he displays signs of having a social conscience, he reverts to type.

 

[kalex6251]

Imagine bootlicking the most detestable clowns and losers in the US Senate?

I'm sure that's what the Australian public wants, Ted Cruz dictating Australian foreign policy via sycophants in the Liberal Party.

Ley writes to Republicans on Gaza ahead of Albanese's UN address

In an unorthodox move, Opposition Leader Sussan Ley writes to a group of Republicans reassuring the Coalition would withdraw recognition of Palestine, ahead of a major United Nations address to be delivered by the prime minister.

www.abc.net.au

on a sun lounge ..... at his cancún holiday retreat

 

[Northalives]

odd character is brandis. just when he displays signs of having a social conscience, he reverts to type.

The same George Brandis who, when he was the Attorney General of Australia, the highest law officer in the country said people have a "right to be bigots"? That George Brandis?

He is a 4 letter word as are most of the Liberal Party.

 

[schneebly111]

The same George Brandis who, when he was the Attorney General of Australia, the highest law officer in the country said people have a "right to be bigots"? That George Brandis?

He is a 4 letter word as are most of the Liberal Party.

He did stand up in parliament and take down Hanson over her Burka stunt in a real passionate speech. All other actions aside I respect him for that, as I’m sure he would have copped some internal criticism for speaking against her from his own party.

Look at the video. At the end of the speech it seems all the applause is coming from the Greens and Labor on the other side, I count 3 LNP Senators making weak ass hand claps, the rest are stationary:



Wouldn’t happen today. Ley would bluster and fumble and eventually put out an incredibly weak statement 3 weeks later. Hastie would be thinking ‘how can I take her message and make it more of a dogwhistle?”

 

[krakouers]

Not much longer:

Andrew Hastie quits shadow cabinet

Shadow Home Affairs Minister and Liberal leadership aspirant Andrew Hastie has quit Sussan Ley's shadow ministry, citing a disagreement over the party's immigration policy.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Grin]

Look at the video. At the end of the speech it seems all the applause is coming from the Greens and Labor on the other side, I count 3 LNP Senators making weak ass hand claps, the rest are stationary:

The minister for screeching is shifting in her chair very uncomfortably after that speech. You'd almost be forgiven for thinking she supports Hanson's stunt and strongly disagrees with George.

 

[schneebly111]

The minister for screeching is shifting in her chair very uncomfortably after that speech. You'd almost be forgiven for thinking she supports Hanson's stunt and strongly disagrees with George.

Probably. Cash is one Hastie’s biggest backers and has pushed a lot of populist right content.

 

[Hojuman]

Sussan, Sussan, Sussan.

Playing that game won't work.

 

[CakeEater]

Sussan, Sussan, Sussan.

Playing that game won't work.

Is it the game of if she rolls a 6 she adds another S to her name?

 

[Hojuman]

Is it the game of if she rolls a 6 she adds another S to her name?

The old Dutton " it's not safe to go outside " Vic.libs tipped to lose 4th straight election in recent polls.

Opposition Leader says Premier should ask PM for help with crime crisis - ABC listen

Sussan Ley says she is not exaggerating by saying Melbourne has gone from "most liveable city" to "crime capital" of Australia

www.abc.net.au

 

[Ghost Patrol]

lol

 

[MJG14]

 

[Festerz]

Song for Sussan







NB: The proper context of this song “She's Lost Control” drew inspiration from Ian Curtis's encounter with an epilepsy victim and her attendant lack of control over her own body. But Sussan doesn't care about context, right?

 

[Gough]

Ley's not exactly helping herself but she's getting the same treatment as Gillard got and I feel a bit sorry for her. There's a bunch of people in the party and the media that think she's squatting in a job that rightfully belongs to someone like Andrew Hastie and they aren't shy about letting people know.

 

[Seeds]

Ley's not exactly helping herself but she's getting the same treatment as Gillard got and I feel a bit sorry for her. There's a bunch of people in the party and the media that think she's squatting in a job that rightfully belongs to someone like Andrew Hastie and they aren't shy about letting people know.

Weird comparison. Gillard was the one who stole the leadership from rudd. Sure she wasnt on the outerbench openly attacking the leader like hastie. She was more the morrison sitting on the side until turnball fell on his sword.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Ley's not exactly helping herself but she's getting the same treatment as Gillard got and I feel a bit sorry for her. There's a bunch of people in the party and the media that think she's squatting in a job that rightfully belongs to someone like Andrew Hastie and they aren't shy about letting people know.

I think that's being quite kind to her. She rose to power under the guise of trying to reinvent/save the Liberal party and has done exactly SFA in that regard. Granted, not all of it is her fault, but she is showing very little in the way of leadership or offering anything other than "Dutton Lite".

I'm sure some of the commentary is personal, but I don't think she's being unfairly treated overall.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[Rotayjay]

It's looking like the answer will be: not loong.