Sussan Ley - how loong?

[Gough]

This is a good piece.

Liberal strife is really about winning – but not elections

One of the hardest things for people to understand with this latest Liberal Party implosion is that it’s not rational.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Johnny Bananas]

 

[Not Important]

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henderson is part of the problem. an extreme right seat blocker who was voted out of corangamite, and who scummo gave a senate seat too.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

henderson is part of the problem. an extreme right seat blocker who was voted out of corangamite, and who scummo gave a senate seat too.

She's pretty emblematic of the lack of talent in the Liberal party room, yes.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

I’m no Liberal, but Ley seems very reasonable, and far better than the extreme right wing that want her job.
It’s important for Aus democracy to have 2 reasonable parties to choose between.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Sussan should animate her hands to be more assertive. Like Ted Talk O'Brien.

 

[jim boy]

I’m no Liberal, but Ley seems very reasonable, and far better than the extreme right wing that want her job.
It’s important for Aus democracy to have 2 reasonable parties to choose between.

All Ley wants to be is to be PM, not govern - even when she was a minister she was completely useless - never interested in doing anything unless it involved a photo op.

 

[Gavin Excell]

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Sarah Henderson is an awful piece of work

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I’m no Liberal, but Ley seems very reasonable, and far better than the extreme right wing that want her job.
It’s important for Aus democracy to have 2 reasonable parties to choose between.

I personally don't see Ley as reasonable (I mean, just look at her trying to make Albo wearing a Joy Division t-shirt into a major scandal).

But even if she is, a party doesn't become reasonable just by plastering a reasonable leader on top of an unreasonable party room, particularly when the leadership vote was very close.

To maintain their position, the leader will slowly become more and more unreasonable to appease the party room so they can stave off leadership speculation.

We're seeing this happen in real time with net zero. I'd be surprised at this point if they kept it, even though that's the reasonable position to take. Keeping it will lead to either Ley being toppled for a leader who will abandon it, or a walkout of the hard right and the Liberals being extinguished as a potential party of government for the next few years.

If you want two reasonable parties to choose between, you should be hoping the Liberal Party splits, because it isn't reasonable now and it won't be until the hard right go their own way. Either way I see Labor being comfortably re-elected at the next couple of elections, but at least a more reasonable Liberal Party might have a chance after that. The current one doesn't.

 

[NSWCROW]

Geez with friend's like sarah henderson.....


Just **** off already, you've added nothing to this country

 

[NSWCROW]

I personally don't see Ley as reasonable (I mean, just look at her trying to make Albo wearing a Joy Division t-shirt into a major scandal).

Huuuuuuuuuuge " blackmailed by sharri markson " vibe on that 1


Played Ley for a fool

 

[Jascave]

Keep a close watch on the backbenchers in the Opposition side of the house during the next question time in Canberra. If most of those seats are empty, it's because they are quietly adding up the numbers to get rid of Sussan Ley. It won't happen now, but 'the faceless men' of the Liberals could make their move on Ley as early as mid-January next year. Ley could go up against Angus Taylor and Andrew Hastie in a 3-way leadership vote. And if Ley somehow wins the ballot, the Nationals will announce they will walk away from the Coalition partnership-and this time, for good.

 

[Gough]

The only reason someone would challenge Ley now is ego. Why else would you want to spend the next two years waiting to be rolled by Hastie?

 

[nut]

Keep a close watch on the backbenchers in the Opposition side of the house during the next question time in Canberra. If most of those seats are empty, it's because they are quietly adding up the numbers to get rid of Sussan Ley. It won't happen now, but 'the faceless men' of the Liberals could make their move on Ley as early as mid-January next year. Ley could go up against Angus Taylor and Andrew Hastie in a 3-way leadership vote. And if Ley somehow wins the ballot, the Nationals will announce they will walk away from the Coalition partnership-and this time, for good.

How many backbenches will quit the Party?

 

[Gavin Excell]

The big Liberal party vote about net zero in Canberra tomorrow
Im not sure much of the population really care

 

[schneebly111]

The big Liberal party vote about net zero in Canberra tomorrow
Im not sure much of the population really care

My prediction:

The formal commitment to Net Zero is abandoned, the new policy is for Net Zero to become more of an "aspiration".
Some half assed policy will be announced that's supposedly better than Labor's on climate change but in reality is just a smokescreen for city seats to appear as if they care.

The moderates won't like it as they know it harms their image in cities but are too weak and powerless to oppose it so they will just have to sell it despite being a turd of a policy.

For the far right they will consider nothing less than a total ending of all clean energy and renewable projects as acceptable. The fact the Liberals will still officially be "aiming" for Net Zero even if it isn't a firm commitment is not good enough and they'll continue to snipe from the sidelines.

 

[Gavin Excell]

My prediction:

The formal commitment to Net Zero is abandoned, the new policy is for Net Zero to become more of an "aspiration".
Some half assed policy will be announced that's supposedly better than Labor's on climate change but in reality is just a smokescreen for city seats to appear as if they care.

The moderates won't like it as they know it harms their image in cities but are too weak and powerless to oppose it so they will just have to sell it despite being a turd of a policy.

For the far right they will consider nothing less than a total ending of all clean energy and renewable projects as acceptable. The fact the Liberals will still officially be "aiming" for Net Zero even if it isn't a firm commitment is not good enough and they'll continue to snipe from the sidelines.

And it will simply confirm the publics views about the LnPs position on the environment

 

[Gavin Excell]

Article in the Age saying 1/3 of voters want to scrap Net Zero. Seems convenient timing ahead of the Lib decision today

 

[Fire]

Article in the Age saying 1/3 of voters want to scrap Net Zero. Seems convenient timing ahead of the Lib decision today

In a compulsory voting country, that makes it a fringe position.

Something for the minors to get a hook but something that would kill a major.

 

[Gough]

Article in the Age saying 1/3 of voters want to scrap Net Zero. Seems convenient timing ahead of the Lib decision today

That also means 2/3 of voters are in favour.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

That also means 2/3 of voters are in favour.

Some are undecided. But among every age group, a majority are in favour of it being a target or a goal.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Some are undecided. But among every age group, a majority are in favour of it being a target or a goal.

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Interesting the drop off 35-54
The earning money years

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Interesting the drop off 35-54
The earning money years

I do wonder if they had split it into 35-44 and 45-54, whether there would have been much of a difference between the subgroups. The oldest millennial is 45 this year.

 

[Carn The Berries]

My prediction:

The formal commitment to Net Zero is abandoned, the new policy is for Net Zero to become more of an "aspiration".
Some half assed policy will be announced that's supposedly better than Labor's on climate change but in reality is just a smokescreen for city seats to appear as if they care.

The moderates won't like it as they know it harms their image in cities but are too weak and powerless to oppose it so they will just have to sell it despite being a turd of a policy.

For the far right they will consider nothing less than a total ending of all clean energy and renewable projects as acceptable. The fact the Liberals will still officially be "aiming" for Net Zero even if it isn't a firm commitment is not good enough and they'll continue to snipe from the sidelines.

Nats sending Matt Canavan to be part of the committee to determine what the Coalition policy position will be tells you all you need to know about how it's going to end up...

 

[Gough]

Nats sending Matt Canavan to be part of the committee to determine what the Coalition policy position will be tells you all you need to know about how it's going to end up...

Might as well have sent Fat Gina and got instructions directly from the horse's mouth.