Media Swans Talk in the Media 2024

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[kickthething]

Didn’t need to be an expert to understand Voss waved the white flag in the second the minute he put Curnow back.

 

[Daniel B]

TLDR we mastered autonomous ultra instinct.

How could you call that TLDR? I came three times reading that article!

 

[giantsully]

How could you call that TLDR? I came three times reading that article!

I share your enthusiasm if not your fecundity.

 

[caesar88]

Absolutely agree, fantastic analysis. Fascinating that while our ability to run multiple options thru the centre is often hailed (including by Errol in his SEN interview) this article demonstrates that it's actually the consistency of those centre bounce attendees - Heeney/Rowie/Chad - that is our main strength. Which also highlights how unlikely it is that Mills and Parker slot straight back into their former midfield roles.

And the stats on Heeney are jaw-dropping - on these numbers, he is the ultimate midfielder with an all round game that only the Bont or Petracca might match. And of course, fascinating analysis of the evolution of Grundy and the critical role he's playing.

Quite the best article on the Swans I've read in ages.

Yeah that was a stellar article. I really liked how they broke down individual plays and looked at the mechanics involved in each one.

And I agree that it's our smaller, more set midfield group that's leading to its success, though that doesn't surprise me. The media always talk about large midfield rotations, and then the premiership is won each year by a team that predominantly uses the same three or four mids. It goes without saying that more consistency in game time in the midfield together will lead to more cohesion in the midfield together.

I think Friday night was the clearest example yet of that cohesion bearing fruits. That centre clearance work in the 3rd term looked like a group who knew exactly what they were doing and what each other was doing.

 

[liz]

I actually disagree with the premise. It’s easy to look at a recent instance of something being successful, attribute it to one factor or tactic that was implemented in that instance and anoint it as “the answer”.

But on the whole we’ve not been dominant out of centre bounces this year.

Dominance like that depends on a period of ruck taps to the right place.

If we do that all the time, other teams will come up with ways to counteract it.

I don’t believe there is a single style of tactic (in a part of the ground) that works all the time. Flexibility and variety are valuable components.

Indeed, one of the things I’ve been impressed with this year (and that gives me as much optimism as our ladder position) is that we’ve won in different ways. That third quarter on Friday was the first time we’ve gone into full beast mode this year. It was beautiful to watch but I doubt any team can play like that for four quarters every week. At other times (eg against Freo and Hawthorn) we seemed almost content to let the opposition rack up clearances, relying more on our turnover prowess and ability to punish heavily.

 

[giantsully]

I actually disagree with the premise. It’s easy to look at a recent instance of something being successful, attribute it to one factor or tactic that was implemented in that instance and anoint it as “the answer”.

But on the whole we’ve not been dominant out of centre bounces this year.

Dominance like that depends on a period of ruck taps to the right place.

If we do that all the time, other teams will come up with ways to counteract it.

I don’t believe there is a single style of tactic (in a part of the ground) that works all the time. Flexibility and variety are valuable components.

Indeed, one of the things I’ve been impressed with this year (and that gives me as much optimism as our ladder position) is that we’ve won in different ways. That third quarter on Friday was the first time we’ve gone into full beast mode this year. It was beautiful to watch but I doubt any team can play like that for four quarters every week. At other times (eg against Freo and Hawthorn) we seemed almost content to let the opposition rack up clearances, relying more on our turnover prowess and ability to punish heavily.

To be fair, the article also mentions we're no 1 for points from defensive half AND from turnovers, so it's not suggesting that centre clearance domination is our one wood, just that we've improved to the point where it's another string to the bow.

And indeed, to your point that we haven't been dominant from the centre and acknowledging there is always an element of luck around centre clearances, it also notes we've conceded the least number of points from stoppages. So, their point about our centre clearance performance is, due to some combination of the Grundy effect, the "magic" of the Heeney/Rowie/Chad combo, and some smarter balance between offensive and defensive efforts in the square (something that many fans have been calling for for years), we're way more efficient when we do win the clearance and remain strong at defending when we lose.

At least, that's how I read it.

 

[momentbymoment]

grundy seventh in the league for tackles! that's gotta be a huge bonus in the middle

If we meet the Pies in the granny, their midfield will be happy to know they are paying the wages of the guy grinding them into the dirt.

 

[momentbymoment]

I share your enthusiasm if not your fecundity.

Damn.
I’m 3 wines in and you are forcing me to use the google machine.

 

[The King!]

8 things we learned mentions carlton lost to us

 

[Millky95]

Sorry if already posted:

Revisiting the Papley non-trade to Carlton back in 2019

https://archive.is/NpLSF

 

[Donza]

Good article in the Roar re swans centre bounces.

Can't link

 

[SM]

Good article in the Roar re swans centre bounces.

Can't link

It's already in here.

 

[dosser]

8 things we learned mentions carlton lost to us

Yeah, I think they are trolling us

 

[the hypnotoad]

8 things we learned mentions carlton lost to us

to be fair, everyone already knew how friggin choice we are!

 

[The King!]

to be fair, everyone already knew how friggin choice we are!

true

 

[Donza]

It's already in here.

Cheers

 

[Del198236]

8 things we learned mentions carlton lost to us

only 4 more sleeps until the vic media can take a break from NOT talking about the Swans.
The bye will be like christmas

 

[Del198236]

I actually disagree with the premise. It’s easy to look at a recent instance of something being successful, attribute it to one factor or tactic that was implemented in that instance and anoint it as “the answer”.

But on the whole we’ve not been dominant out of centre bounces this year.

Dominance like that depends on a period of ruck taps to the right place.

If we do that all the time, other teams will come up with ways to counteract it.

I don’t believe there is a single style of tactic (in a part of the ground) that works all the time. Flexibility and variety are valuable components.

Indeed, one of the things I’ve been impressed with this year (and that gives me as much optimism as our ladder position) is that we’ve won in different ways. That third quarter on Friday was the first time we’ve gone into full beast mode this year. It was beautiful to watch but I doubt any team can play like that for four quarters every week. At other times (eg against Freo and Hawthorn) we seemed almost content to let the opposition rack up clearances, relying more on our turnover prowess and ability to punish heavily.

Yep, we've won in different ways - through the corridor, contested games, turnover games etc etc.. and won every game by more than 4 goals
It started by beating Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, Viney on a very slippery night at the stoppage and contested game
Followed by beating collingwood at the MCG with our ball movement
and continued from there..
I think Horse and the team have many strings to their bow. Over the last few years, Horse has often spoken about the players adjusting mid quarter (just like they did in the 1st against Carlton). This year it seems they've matured A LOT, and are getting these decisions right.

The thing we've got this year better than previous years, and better than any other team is our Running ability. I reckon this endurance (supported by having so many run through the mids or mids resting forward etc) enables the team to implement different game styles more effectively.

Yep agree that tactics can be worked out, but if you cant keep up, you cant get the ball..

 

[Ticky009]

LOL - its now our fault Parker wiped out a player in the VFL. Can someone put Leigh Matthews back in retirement where he belongs

 

[Daniel B]

Yep, we've won in different ways - through the corridor, contested games, turnover games etc etc.. and won every game by more than 4 goals
It started by beating Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, Viney on a very slippery night at the stoppage and contested game
Followed by beating collingwood at the MCG with our ball movement
and continued from there..
I think Horse and the team have many strings to their bow. Over the last few years, Horse has often spoken about the players adjusting mid quarter (just like they did in the 1st against Carlton). This year it seems they've matured A LOT, and are getting these decisions right.

The thing we've got this year better than previous years, and better than any other team is our Running ability. I reckon this endurance (supported by having so many run through the mids or mids resting forward etc) enables the team to implement different game styles more effectively.

Yep agree that tactics can be worked out, but if you cant keep up, you cant get the ball..

Yep, I saw lots of close-ups of Carlton players gasping for air late in the third and into the fourth.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

LOL - its now our fault Parker wiped out a player in the VFL. Can someone put Leigh Matthews back in retirement where he belongs

Well the Wicks thing is dusted and they are still winning, Buddy gone need to find another angle for a negative!

No but seriously Lethal has had it against us in the media for a long time for some unknown reason.

Goodes protected species.
Ridiculous article about how we should not be allowed to add Tippett because we won a flag.
Even more bemusing article on COLA which he himself should know the landscape being in Brisbane for so long.
So yer not really surprising there.

 

[Olian]

LOL - its now our fault Parker wiped out a player in the VFL. Can someone put Leigh Matthews back in retirement where he belongs

If Leigh thought about it, you have AFL players up against amateur VFL players. The chance of injury whether intentional or not is always high. Parker has had 12/13 AFL preseasons up against a Frankston VFL player. He’s physically stronger in any contest let alone a late bump.

 

[bedford]

MOL and Derek Kickett on the Front Bar on Wednesday night

 

[Swannie0307]

LOL - its now our fault Parker wiped out a player in the VFL. Can someone put Leigh Matthews back in retirement where he belongs

Sorry Lethal, but at this point in time, yes Adams is better than Parker. Watching the full replay, I realised how bloody well Adams complements our team (he’s quite zippy over 5-10 metres, he’s super tough, and generally a smart/effective user of the ball, PLUS he had 8 score involvements!). The play I loved the most was the ball up late in Q1 when Paps and him pulled off what looked like a planned move, Paps put a block on Adams’ man, Tay then pounced thru the pack, got the ball and gave a quick handball out wide to Paps on the burst who then kicked a great goal from about 45 out … it was a joy to watch!

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

BT, Mathews and Diesel are three fellas whose autopsies will involve testing for CTE.