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Big Blood said:
Gerard Healy was going off about Rowbottom the other day, saying he'd tear up his Swans membership if Rowbo got traded. He says last year (I think) JR had higher player rating than Dunkley. But if Rowbottom isn't in midfield where do you play him? ANd who are these mids who are ahead of him? James has his limitations, like doesn't get enough of the ball and doesn't hit the scoreboard enough but he's a heart and soul player and I feel the same way as Gerard.

I'm partial to Logan playing up the field and/or in defence. His weakness as forward isn't his skill set but he doesn't have the goal hunger and arrogance of the successful forwards.
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Late season action (which I suspect is an insight into Cox's 2026 intentions) had Sheldrick and Jordon in front of him.

I love Rowie as we all do, but think Dunkley has changed the game here - it's no longer enough to be a tackling machine, you've also got to hurt the opposition going the other way. The person in our squad most likely to be able to do that is probably Mills, but I guess Cox also wants to see if Gus and JJ can be those two way beasts.
 
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Cornes: The 10 players that need to be difference makers in 2026

These 10 players have to have big years and prove their deals worthy.
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1 – Charlie Curnow: It’s the biggest deal ever, he has to find a level of success that Jeremy Cameron had at Geelong. I like the deal for Sydney and Carlton but time is going to judge this. There needs to be a premiership in that four to five year window that he has signed for.
 
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What Curnow trade means for Swans... and new-look Blues: Every AFL club’s best 23 for 2026

What Curnow trade means for Swans... and new-look Blues: Every AFL club’s best 23 for 2026
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SYDNEY SWANS

B: D.Rampe, L.Melican, T.McCartin

HB: C.Mills (c), N.Blakey, S.Wicks

C: J.McInerney, Ch. Warner, E.Gulden

HF: B.Campbell, J.Amartey, J.Jordon

F: M.Rosas Jnr, C.Curnow, T.Papley

FOLL: B.Grundy, I.Heeney, J.Rowbottom


I/C: L.McDonald, H.McLean, A.Sheldrick, J.Lloyd, H.Cunningham

EMG: P.Ladhams, M.Roberts, C.Cleary

Key ins: Charlie Curnow, Malcolm Rosas Jnr, Jai Serong

Key outs: Will Hayward, Ollie Florent, Robbie Fox, Aaron Francis, Jack Buller

WE SAY: A handy name slots straight in at full forward. Marquee trade addition Charlie Curnow will spearhead Dean Cox’s new-look attack in Sydney’s most talented forward since Buddy Franklin. It’ll be fascinating what the addition of Curnow does to the Swans’ other key talls, with the potential for one to swing back. We left fellow recruit Jai Serong out, but he could easily feature in that defence. As important as anything, Sydney looks set to go into 2026 with a clean bill of after its 2025 season was cruelled by injuries, with Errol Gulden, Callum Mills and Logan McDonald among those to miss considerable time. Cox will have more optionality that ever before in his second season. But that star-studded midfield led by Isaac Heeney, Chad Warner and Gulden is set in stone. Looks like a side capable of going deep.
 
crankygeese said:
www.sen.com.au

Cornes: The 10 players that need to be difference makers in 2026

These 10 players have to have big years and prove their deals worthy.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

1 – Charlie Curnow: It’s the biggest deal ever, he has to find a level of success that Jeremy Cameron had at Geelong. I like the deal for Sydney and Carlton but time is going to judge this. There needs to be a premiership in that four to five year window that he has signed for.
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I think this is largely fair. We've given up a massive haul to prise a Coleman winner out of his contract with the explicit goal of winning now.

I wouldn't necessarily agree it's flag or bust, but he and the team need to fire big time.
 

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ashep said:
I think this is largely fair. We've given up a massive haul to prise a Coleman winner out of his contract with the explicit goal of winning now.

I wouldn't necessarily agree it's flag or bust, but he and the team need to fire big time.
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I think it's fair to say a premiership is the only pass mark for Curnow.

We didn't need him to make preliminary finals or grand finals, we'd done that a number of times without him already.

We've given up first rounders for the next 3 drafts and have packed our salary cap to the brim to bring him in. If any of our academy kids go 1st round in 2026 or 2027, we will likely miss out on them under the proposed new bidding rules of using 2 picks only to match, because we won't have the picks or any way of getting them without trading out stars.
We've got the following people coming out of contract in 2026 and 2027, either just as OOC or as FA - Amartey, McInerney, Warner, Cleary, Dattoli, McCartin, Sheldrick, Roberts. If they all look at getting pay rises, then we might lose a few of them, there are many others that are fringe youth that may or may not require a pay rise. If we lose too many, then our list demographic skews very old very quickly, with a number of stars crossing 30.

If our list fails, then we're looking at a rebuild right at the time that Tasmania joins and ruins the draft.

If we're going to pay such a high price, if we're going to mortgage our future to bring him in, and we have, then he should be under no illusions that it is premiership or bust for Charlie.
Realistically, it's premiership or bust for Cox too. He's got 3-5 years to win a flag with this list or he'll be out. He's been handed a premiership list on a silver platter.

The Swans have decided to gamble to get a premiership, and that's absolutely their choice, that is what they get paid for. However, everybody involved needs to understand that anything short of a premiership will be a failure, because we've already been to grand finals and fallen short. Also, if things go wrong, we won't have the pieces to recover quickly.
 
Adnico26Parker said:
Love how that Fox article has named 2 players who are yet to re-sign (publicly anyway), in Rampe and Lloyd
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What is the timing of all this? Could the Swans be looking at the draft and as you mention with Hetherton, if he is there grab him and that more means someone like Lloyd misses out on a contract?
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
I have said what worried me more is why is our cap supposedly at bursting point with extremely limited depth?

Brisbane had no issues bringing in Allen on 1m per season and Draper/Geelong same thing with Curnow.

This is with a cap increase as well where is all the money going to??
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Brisbane also lost a contracted Daniher a year early. We've just signed Chad to a hugely lucrative two year deal.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
You're probably right still tho it feels out of wack and we would not known if the Media didnt report on it
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Yep I don't buy it. Fully. Unless the Swans gave Serong and Rosas the Leek Aleer treatment, but went ahead and signed them.

The media stated:
Carlton's offer for Hayward was $700k last year. He decides to sign with the Swans obviously. How much for then? How much of a haircut did he take?
Curnow has $4m-4.2m left on his deal over the last 4 years. Pushed out to 5.
"Had to do the Florent deal first to fit Curnow in" This is complete BS IMO unless we paid complete outrageous contracts to Rosas and Serong and that's why Serong trade came after Ollie?

People on here have stated players took paycuts to stay together when these boys signed on. How much though? Surely with Hayward and Florent they were on decent money even after taking a paycut (or more so agreeing to lower amounts that they could have gotten.
I mean Ollie was coming off 3 seasons in a row in the top 10 of the B&F and signing that type of contract was most likely going to be his biggest one.
 
Adnico26Parker said:
Coxy on SEN Breakfast:

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Some odd and interesting comments:

1. We weren't going to trade [Ollie and Will] just for the sake of doing a trade [implying that we had to give something to get Curnow]. However the Florent deal was done separately and so was just done to trade him out to get the cap space and the list spot apparently.

2. "We allowed [Charlie Curnow] to go [to the Blues B&F}" - weird. Maybe he meant before the Swans approaching him and getting in his head.

3. "We went through our [2026] game plan a couple of weeks ago" - and also referred to input of new coaches. I'm not sure if that means it's done and dusted (although of course not immutably, they must always revise and tweak). Wouldn't getting Charlie affect the game plan one or the other? Were they already banking on it?
 

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Punts said:
sounds like Rowbottom is going to have to fight hard for a spot
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I've been a bit of a Rowbottom skeptic for a few years so this isn't too surprising.
 
crankygeese said:
I think it's fair to say a premiership is the only pass mark for Curnow.

We didn't need him to make preliminary finals or grand finals, we'd done that a number of times without him already.

We've given up first rounders for the next 3 drafts and have packed our salary cap to the brim to bring him in. If any of our academy kids go 1st round in 2026 or 2027, we will likely miss out on them under the proposed new bidding rules of using 2 picks only to match, because we won't have the picks or any way of getting them without trading out stars.
We've got the following people coming out of contract in 2026 and 2027, either just as OOC or as FA - Amartey, McInerney, Warner, Cleary, Dattoli, McCartin, Sheldrick, Roberts. If they all look at getting pay rises, then we might lose a few of them, there are many others that are fringe youth that may or may not require a pay rise. If we lose too many, then our list demographic skews very old very quickly, with a number of stars crossing 30.

If our list fails, then we're looking at a rebuild right at the time that Tasmania joins and ruins the draft.

If we're going to pay such a high price, if we're going to mortgage our future to bring him in, and we have, then he should be under no illusions that it is premiership or bust for Charlie.
Realistically, it's premiership or bust for Cox too. He's got 3-5 years to win a flag with this list or he'll be out. He's been handed a premiership list on a silver platter.

The Swans have decided to gamble to get a premiership, and that's absolutely their choice, that is what they get paid for. However, everybody involved needs to understand that anything short of a premiership will be a failure, because we've already been to grand finals and fallen short. Also, if things go wrong, we won't have the pieces to recover quickly.
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We still have 2nd and 3rd rounders to match academy players. There are a few coming through. So hopefully not a problem.

We have also signed up our list to 2027 too which you have not said. That constrains us too.

Yep. I agree we have decided to gamble on a premiership.

I think that if in 2 years it does not happen then
 
Punts said:
sounds like Rowbottom is going to have to fight hard for a spot
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Rightly so.
As much as I love he & others, when we got walloped in those games against Port a few years ago, Adelaide this year & the two GFs, apart from tackling we got no attacking benefit from him. Every player now has to be able to be a threat the other way going forward with the way the game is played & Brisbane have shown this.Tthe only real slightly defensive player has been Dunkley but he wins plenty of his own ball.
No one dimensional player has a role in a successful team from now on. They either need to reinvent themselves or drift off into the sunset.
 
It was also interesting to note that Keane & Cox mentioned that Carlton chased both Florent & Hayward in 2024 as FA before they signed on what I thought was too many years & probably $$$. It comes as no surprise then they they were the two names that we encouraged to go to Carlton as part of the trade to get something we clearly felt we needed in Curnow.

That does help it make sense & also not seem so harsh because the two players took their time in signing with us, while considering a move. At least this way it was of benefit to the club.
 

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Tedeski said:
Rightly so.
As much as I love he & others, when we got walloped in those games against Port a few years ago, Adelaide this year & the two GFs, apart from tackling we got no attacking benefit from him. Every player now has to be able to be a threat the other way going forward with the way the game is played & Brisbane have shown this.Tthe only real slightly defensive player has been Dunkley but he wins plenty of his own ball.
No one dimensional player has a role in a successful team from now on. They either need to reinvent themselves or drift off into the sunset.
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I think this also goes to just how many midfield contributors you need now, and, as you point out, you can't be one dimensional because you need to perform just as well whether it be in D50 or F50. Brisbane has 7-8 quality contributors they can put into the middle each game that will also impact the game when not.
Having said that, I am someone that thought Rowbottom adjusted to the forward line extremely well. That is when considering he has hardly played there at the level and IMO it will be interesting to see his progression this season with more experience playing the role. I think he hits the scoreboard and pops up in the right spots a lot.
 
Callipygian said:
Some odd and interesting comments:

1. We weren't going to trade [Ollie and Will] just for the sake of doing a trade [implying that we had to give something to get Curnow]. However the Florent deal was done separately and so was just done to trade him out to get the cap space and the list spot apparently.

2. "We allowed [Charlie Curnow] to go [to the Blues B&F}" - weird. Maybe he meant before the Swans approaching him and getting in his head.

3. "We went through our [2026] game plan a couple of weeks ago" - and also referred to input of new coaches. I'm not sure if that means it's done and dusted (although of course not immutably, they must always revise and tweak). Wouldn't getting Charlie affect the game plan one or the other? Were they already banking on it?
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1) Was very interesting as the Florent deal was made seperately and hours before they agreed on the Curnow deal, what if the Curnow deal fell through?? Carlton outplayed us on that bit.

2) I think Cox meant he wanted to wait till after the B&F and then bring Curnow up to the club right away, was not a stunt media were camping back and front entrances of the SCG all day.

3) Cox mentioned looking to play 3 talls
 
rustycrate said:
We still have 2nd and 3rd rounders to match academy players. There are a few coming through. So hopefully not a problem.

We have also signed up our list to 2027 too which you have not said. That constrains us too.

Yep. I agree we have decided to gamble on a premiership.

I think that if in 2 years it does not happen then
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It quickly becomes a problem if any of our kids in 2026 and 2027 go in the 1st round with the new bidding rules that have been proposed.

If we can only use 2 picks to match, and one of our top kids goes at the pointy end, we basically miss out on them because we won't have the required top picks.

So we kind of need our academy kids to tank for a couple of years.

Matching this year is fine with our later picks.

It really is premiership or bust.
 
crankygeese said:
It quickly becomes a problem if any of our kids in 2026 and 2027 go in the 1st round with the new bidding rules that have been proposed.

If we can only use 2 picks to match, and one of our top kids goes at the pointy end, we basically miss out on them because we won't have the required top picks.

So we kind of need our academy kids to tank for a couple of years.

Matching this year is fine with our later picks.

It really is premiership or bust.
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Just tell em to tank their interviews works with VIC clubs.
 
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