Swans trivia

[Benevolent Ert]

So there's 14 of them then?

Actually knowing how many I'm looking for makes the task a little more acheiveable

OK - I'll start with the legends
Bob Pratt
Bob Skilton
Roy Cazaly

that leaves 6 Brownlow medallists
I'll guess Diesel is one
Clegg
Bedford
Round
Herbie Matthews
Gerard Healy?

and 5 non-Brownlow medallists
Laurie Nash
our esteemed PREMIERSHIP coach Paul Roos
Vic Belcher
Tony Morwood maybe
and I don't know, Warwick Capper?

Edit: Ok - I've since looked it up - I got 12/14 - The last two are wrong, of the 2 I missed one is very obvious, and the other a lot more obscure - 2 more names and the question is yours folks!

 

[CharlieG]

I'm very surprised at one of the two you didn't get, Ert.

 

[Benevolent Ert]

Yes, considering he's already been the answer to a question on this thread

Also I had to check whether Terry Daniher played enough games to fit your criteria - with 19 games for South I think it's fair to say he misses the boat

 

[robbieando]

Ert you missed Mark Tandy and John Rantall. How you missed the club's games record holder is beyond me, but I guess Tandy is a easier one to overlook considering the fact he played during the WW1 period.

 

[Benevolent Ert]

I'm maintaining I didn't miss John Rantall

I posted his name last week in anticipation of this question

 

[robbieando]

I'm maintaining I didn't miss John Rantall

I posted his name last week in anticipation of this question

Sure you did

Anyway next question

Barry Hall has to date kicked 417 career goals, 5 more than Bob Skilton did (412) in his entire career. Now its pretty clear that Hall is one of today's better CHF's and Skilton one of the games greatest midfielders, so therefore its clear they aren't simular players, but to this point in Barry Hall's career what makes him so simular to Bob Skilton in terms of goalkicking feats?

 

[CharlieG]

Sure you did

Anyway next question

Barry Hall has to date kicked 417 career goals, 5 more than Bob Skilton did (412) in his entire career. Now its pretty clear that Hall is one of today's better CHF's and Skilton one of the games greatest midfielders, so therefore its clear they aren't simular players, but to this point in Barry Hall's career what makes him so simular to Bob Skilton in terms of goalkicking feats?

His best haul in a single game (8) is the same?

 

[robbieando]

His best haul in a single game (8) is the same?

That's part correct, but correct all the same. I wasn't clear enough in my question, but my intended answer was that both have Kick 8 goals in a match once and 7 goals in a match three times.

 

[CharlieG]

That's part correct, but correct all the same. I wasn't clear enough in my question, but my intended answer was that both have Kick 8 goals in a match once and 7 goals in a match three times.

Baz has kicked seven at least four times. He did it against Carlton in 2002, Melbourne in 2002, Melbourne in 2005 and Essendon in 2005. Unfortunately stats.rleague.com is down and I can't check exactly how many times he has done it.

Anyway, onto the next question.

Who was named full back in the Swans Team of the Century, and why did his selection raise eyebrows (apart from the inevitable debates about whether player x should have been there instead)?

 

[Punter_22]

Baz has kicked seven at least four times. He did it against Carlton in 2002, Melbourne in 2002, Melbourne in 2005 and Essendon in 2005. Unfortunately stats.rleague.com is down and I can't check exactly how many times he has done it.

Anyway, onto the next question.

Who was named full back in the Swans Team of the Century, and why did his selection raise eyebrows (apart from the inevitable debates about whether player x should have been there instead)?

John Herriott (not sure of spelling) was named full back. If I remember a mate telling me about this, was he on the selection committee for the team of the century. It sounded a bit shifty.

 

[CharlieG]

John Herriott (not sure of spelling) was named full back. If I remember a mate telling me about this, was he on the selection committee for the team of the century. It sounded a bit shifty.

Correct.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Herriot would have excused himself from selection for the FB position... but when the only full back to win a Brownlow Medal missed out, I wonder if his presence on the committee might have had an influence on his colleagues.

Your question Punter.

 

[robbieando]

Baz has kicked seven at least four times. He did it against Carlton in 2002, Melbourne in 2002, Melbourne in 2005 and Essendon in 2005. Unfortunately stats.rleague.com is down and I can't check exactly how many times he has done it.

Well thats certainly the last time I trust the AFL official stats guide.

 

[liz]

Baz has kicked seven at least four times. He did it against Carlton in 2002, Melbourne in 2002, Melbourne in 2005 and Essendon in 2005. Unfortunately stats.rleague.com is down and I can't check exactly how many times he has done it.

I have been keeping round by round goal tallies by player for the last few seasons (except for the 2004 finals which I failed to fill in, for some reason). Per my records, he kicked 7 twice in each of 2002 and 2005, as per Charlie, and didn't have any 7 goal tallies in either 2003 or 2004. So a total of four times - in Swans colours - is correct, I believe.

 

[Punter_22]

Sorry guys, I hope you dont mind if I take part. I am a Carlton supporter, but I have a real soft spot for the Swans, being from NSW.
My question is:
Bob Skilton won 9 best and fairests in 11 years, name the winners in the other two years?

 

[Refried Noodle]

Max Papley & Frank Johnson

 

[Punter_22]

Max Papley & Frank Johnson

well done
Your question

 

[Refried Noodle]

Easy one: When did South Melbourne first play in Sydney (exact date)? who were the opposition? and what was the score?

They could have played there befer this date, but this is the earliest record I can find.

 

[CharlieG]

This seems to have stalled a little.

It's definitely not easy. The year was 1903 and I *think* the opposition was Collingwood. No idea on the date or the score.

 

[Refried Noodle]

Well that's two years before the first date I could find so if they did then that's the earliest then! oops!

 

[CharlieG]

Actually, I'm wrong. I just looked it up. The first two VFL games in Sydney were played in 1903, but South were not one of the clubs involved (Collingwood was).

So carry on.

 

[eirinn]

Actually, I'm wrong. I just looked it up. The first two VFL games in Sydney were played in 1903, but South were not one of the clubs involved (Collingwood was).

So carry on.

A crowd of around 18000 witnessed Collingwood play Fitzroy at theSCG on May 23rd, 1903. Carlton played a match against a combined Sydney team in the 19th century, but the first VFL match for premiership points was the game listed abouve. The match featured the 1902 premiers, Collingwood. The clubs financed the trip themselves, and the whole gate was donated to those who were "endevouring to establish the game in New South Wales". It is one of the first in a long series of promotion matches intended to popularise the game in NSW.

South Melbourne first played in Sydney in 1905 (I think, can't find my notes for this one), and there is alot of memoribilia from the tour avaliable in libraries. It's rather interesting. I have a lengthy description of the match in one of my thesis archive boxes, but it's hidden beneath my house and is v. difficult to find at present.

 

[CharlieG]

Should have known you'd be on top of this one, Eirinn.

 

[ROK of Gibraltar]

A southern and eastern Melbourne side played an exhibition match against a northern and western melbourne side as part of the Sydney centenary celebrations in 1888. The SE Melb side wore red and white uniforms, the NW Melb side wore red and black. The match was played on the SCG number 2and was organised by the Horden (who had business interests in both cities) family in conjunction with the Harris family (of Harris St Ultimo, and Harris tea and coffee). The crowd was estimated to be approx 12,000 and admission was free. Of interst was the score - 14 to 9 in favour of the NE side. There were no behinds and the goals were set only 4 yards apart. Although there are no photographs of the game a good account of the game (a handwritten diary entry by Eliza Harris) is preserved amongst the Harris family papers held in the Mitchell library. Its not VFL and only tenuously related to the Swans but it is interesting.

 

[eirinn]

Prior to that, Carlton played a series of matches against the Rugby club Waratah, one under each code of rules. I believe that was in 1877. For a wonderful account of pre-1914 Australian Football in Sydney, check this out http://www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/SportingTraditions/1987/st0401/st0401d.pdf#xml=http://www.aafla.org:8080/verity_templates/jsp/search/xmlread.jsp?k2dockey=/mnt/docs/SportsLibrary/SportingTraditions/1987/st0401/st0401d.pdf@aafla_pdf&serverSpec=localhost:9900&querytext=Australian+Football

 

[RW]

I clicked on that link (partly out of curiosity, partly out of boredom on a rainy day) and found it interesting that even then, Australian football was seen as a more 'stylish' game than rugby, yet still, it didn't matter, as far as the popularity of AFL in Sydney was concerned, that rugby wasn't as 'attractive'.

I hope Andy D is reading this.

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