Sydney Stack Discussion

[Cactus_]

zero sympathy, because he already blew quarantine once. if anyone should have been all over the yays and nays of quarantine, it was him

he's shown contempt to everyone who agreed to give him a second chance. do we get a refund on the $100k and the list spot he will waste for us in 2021?

It is not really a matter of sympathy or not sympathy. Or what Stack deserves or doesn’t deserve. He’s done the wrong thing multiple times and doesn’t “deserve” much. Plus he almost certainly won’t play for us again. But I still don’t think it follows that the right thing to do is sack him.

We should be lenient because:
- It shows we stand with our team mates even when they get themselves in trouble
- It shows we priorities player and employee welfare
- In these ways it enhances our reputation as a destination club
- It exposes us to less risk if Stack goes even-more-off-the-rails after he is no longer a Richmond player, if we can say that we went the extra mile for him
- It costs us very little in addition to what we’ve already invested in him to provide him welfare support through to the end of his contract.

Sacking him now (to use a very inappropriate metaphor) is basically slamming the door after the horse has bolted. All it would get us is a reputation for being hardball with our team mates when they’re in big strife, and how much is that really worth?

 

[Cactus_]

I think he's done, but obviously the club is in the best position to decide.

I think he’s “done” but it’s better that he doesn’t get a contract renewal at the end of the season, rather than that we sack him to go along with him spending Christmas in jail.

 

[JackGraham]

I agree as i reckon he wouldn’t have the respect of the playing group. I was talking with a friend today and we were commenting on the role models and leaders at the club who he can learn from. From Shedda, Rioli and Marloin to Cotch, Jack etc. It’s mind blowing. Yet, behaviourally nothing is changing.
Even take footy out of the equation, it’s a harsh world out there, i hope whatever happens, the kid ends up okay.
Honestly, I can’t pick which way this is gonna go. But, the courts may make the decision for the club. Just remarkable we are talking about this 4 days from x mas. Mind blowing.

Does the Korin Gamadji Institute play any role with the young indigenous guys at the club or is it purely for youth who are not connected with the playing group? They have all sorts of leadership and cultural programs and connections to indigenous organisations. Would Syd have any access to these programs, would he give a flying **** about them, is his head up his arse or do I just not understand given I am not indigenous?

 

[Oprah From Tigerland]

Last week I flew Melbourne to Perth via Hobart!

Haere Ra

How’s your health KiwiTiger ... Hope you are on the improve.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It is not really a matter of sympathy or not sympathy. Or what Stack deserves or doesn’t deserve. He’s done the wrong thing multiple times and doesn’t “deserve” much. Plus he almost certainly won’t play for us again. But I still don’t think it follows that the right thing to do is sack him.

We should be lenient because:
- It shows we stand with our team mates even when they get themselves in trouble
- It shows we priorities player and employee welfare
- In these ways it enhances our reputation as a destination club
- It exposes us to less risk if Stack goes even-more-off-the-rails after he is no longer a Richmond player, if we can say that we went the extra mile for him
- It costs us very little in addition to what we’ve already invested in him to provide him welfare support through to the end of his contract.

Sacking him now (to use a very inappropriate metaphor) is basically slamming the door after the horse has bolted. All it would get us is a reputation for being hardball with our team mates when they’re in big strife, and how much is that really worth?

he's spitting on the club, every member who paid his $100k fine, and every other player who is doing the hard yards and doing the right thing

and if he is certain to never play again, delist now. why does he deserve a list spot more than any of the others who we delisted?

 

[Vassp]

I've voted to back him, he has two big trikes, one more big one and then he should be out.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Its not misleading, its fact.

Maybe you should research the Australian Institute of Criminology with the assistance of the National Coronial Information System, investigation it in the National Deaths In Custody Program.

The report noted that the rate of death has been consistently lower among Indigenous prisoners than their non-Indigenous counterparts, it was concluded that fact Indigenous persons were no more likely to die in prison custody than non-Indigenous persons remains true today, and the most common manner for all deaths in police custody and custody-related operations since 2002/2003 were accidental causes, followed by self-inflicted deaths. Those classified as justifiable homicides (shootings), accounted for only 15 percent of all police related deaths.

(The way it reads, if the police are pursuing you then technically you're in custody )

That's what I understood from reports on the ABC recently (Insiders I think it was).

They were careful to be clear that actually a disproportionate number of whites die in prison, contrary to popular belief to the contrary.

However talking about total numbers incarcerated, that is disproportionately indigenous.

iirc

 

[captain blood 17]

Does the Korin Gamadji Institute play any role with the young indigenous guys at the club or is it purely for youth who are not connected with the playing group? They have all sorts of leadership and cultural programs and connections to indigenous organisations. Would Syd have any access to these programs, would he give a flying **** about them, is his head up his arse or do I just not understand given I am not indigenous?

Honestly, I don’t know. Can anyone else answer?

 

[Bojangles17]

That is a tough punishment. If that doesn’t give him the wake up call he needs nothing will.

Going to be interesting to see what the club does now

It certainly is , and we thought 10w suspension was tough , 15 days in the slammer deprived of liberty for a misdemeanour is as harsh as it gets. I do have empathy for the kid given his background I just don’t think he wants an afl career badly enough

 

[Bazzar]

Oh boy. This is just bad on so many levels. Please leave.

Its fact.

Read the report, it covers 20+ years of research and statistics that backup what mightymouse said
It also concludes indigenous people in custody are less likely to die than indigenous people who are not in custody (1.25 per thousand compared to 2.2 per thousand)

National Deaths in Custody Program: Deaths in custody in Australia 2016–17

The National Deaths in Custody Program (NDICP) is responsible for monitoring the extent and nature of deaths occurring in prison, police custody and youth detention in Australia since 1980. The Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) has coordinated the NDICP since its establishment in 1992...

www.aic.gov.au

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[Sir_Loin]

It certainly is , and we thought 10w suspension was tough , 15 days in the slammer deprived of liberty for a misdemeanour is as harsh as it gets. I do have empathy for the kid given his background I just don’t think he wants an afl career badly enough

I think despite this persona he throws off on a social media he has NFI idea how to function as an adult. He’s getting a lesson right now about actions and consequences I hope to Christ he learns from it

 

[Sir_Loin]

Its fact.

Read the report, it covers 20+ years of research and statistics that backup what mightymouse said
It also concludes indigenous people in custody are less likely to die than indigenous people who are not in custody (1.25 per thousand compared to 2.2 per thousand)

National Deaths in Custody Program: Deaths in custody in Australia 2016–17

The National Deaths in Custody Program (NDICP) is responsible for monitoring the extent and nature of deaths occurring in prison, police custody and youth detention in Australia since 1980. The Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) has coordinated the NDICP since its establishment in 1992...

www.aic.gov.au

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Clock off baz. You’re out of your depth on this one

 

[TiggerDK]

Yeah he's got time to think now, might be the moment the penny drops hopefully.

Couldn’t find any time to think when suspended for ten weeks?
Come on.
Although the restriction on his freedom has gone next level and maybe that will work.
He can’t do what he needs to succeed as an AFL pro without constant supervision. He likes getting into trouble and flouting rules, clubs or the law, and testing boundaries.
This one has backfired spectacularly and I can’t help feeling pretty satisfied with where he’s ended up the next two weeks as a result.
Club won’t do or say anything until he‘s out of the Klink.

 

[Bazzar]

That's what I understood from reports on the ABC recently (Insiders I think it was).

They were careful to be clear that actually a disproportionate number of whites die in prison, contrary to popular belief to the contrary.

However talking about total numbers incarcerated, that is disproportionately indigenous.

iirc

The report breaks down non-Indigenous into sub groups like Lebanese, Maori, islander, Irish, etc, and its actually not disproportionately indigenous like reported.

Note this is "per 100 prisoners"

 

[TiggerDK]

Paul Peos leaving the courthouse in ripped jeans and a t-shirt when his client is on charges. FFS what a peanut.
Hey image isn’t everything but FFS Peos needs a manager!

 

[BC9_]

The more I think about the gravity of the situation that Sydney has put himself in, being incarcerated for 14 days, the sadder I feel about it. What a monumental **** up.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

I agree as i reckon he wouldn’t have the respect of the playing group. I was talking with a friend today and we were commenting on the role models and leaders at the club who he can learn from. From Shedda, Rioli and Marloin to Cotch, Jack etc. It’s mind blowing. Yet, behaviourally nothing is changing.
Even take footy out of the equation, it’s a harsh world out there, i hope whatever happens, the kid ends up okay.
Honestly, I can’t pick which way this is gonna go. But, the courts may make the decision for the club. Just remarkable we are talking about this 4 days from x mas. Mind blowing.

"A friend".

 

[Muddiemoose]

Yeah fair point

Honestly I don’t really know what the best way to go with him is

It’s gonna be tough no matter what the club and stack decides what’s best for his future

Alcohol seems like a common theme whenever he does find himself in trouble so maybe for stack to go dry would be a good starting point

But it’s also something that stack will need to choose to do on his own and not forced to do

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

The report breaks down non-Indigenous into sub groups like Lebanese, Maori, islander, Irish, etc, and its actually not disproportionately indigenous like reported.

Indigenous peoples make up 29% of the prison population in 2020. As reported. By the ABS.

Is 29% of the Aus population indigenous Australians?


The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate decreased by 1% from 2,304 to 2,285 prisoners per 100,000 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander adult population.

At 30 June 2020:

• Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners made up 29% of all prisoners.
• Male prisoners made up 91% (10,963) of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander prisoners.
• Female prisoners made up 9% (1,134).
• The median age was 32.1 years.
• 79% had experienced prior adult imprisonment.

This is from the ABS, and it's current.

Source:

Prisoners in Australia, 2020

Contains annual national information on prisoners in custody at 30 June, including demographic information, imprisonment rates, most serious offence.

www.abs.gov.au

 

[VB_longneck]

will be gold when he lifts the cup at the G in September . from gaol to the G on grand final day

hrmm ive heard that somewhere before ?

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Can you believe we have a Richmond player in jail over Christmas and New Year. What a year.

 

[Sir_Loin]

will be gold when he lifts the cup at the G in September . from gaol to the G on grand final day

hrmm ive heard that somewhere before ?

All he has to do is accept the life of a Richmond man. Let the club tell you how to live 80% of your life. Footy is the priority and if you give 10 years of dedicated service the rest of your life you will be ok. Imagine being 30 and set for life working in footy

 

[TiggerDK]

For those suggesting we need to take him back and give him additional support, where is that money gonna come from? Serious question. We just slashed millions out of our budget. Because to do it, we would have to cut further out from coaching or another resource. Just curious to see the responses.

He can fund his own personal babysitter out of his wages.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Remember the Dreamtime game when he did the ceremony?

Nah we don’t chuck him out. We give him another go and wrap our arms around him. Ok. He makes another mistake we might have to cut ties but not now.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Apparently should have quarantined because his flight stopped over in Adelaide for an hour. If that's true, to spend time in prison for what really is a technicality is ridiculous.

BACK!!!!!