Sydney Stack Discussion

[Bojangles17]

He will be alright. He is a tough kid. It might drive him mad but shouldn’t kill him. This is unlikely to be one of life’s great injustices. He couldn’t or wouldn’t follow the rules so ultimately enforcement is the right thing.

Besides, I have spent many a Christmas alone. Cooked a nice dinner, read a book, bought myself socks and jocks, sung “Little Dummer Boy,” played a free round of golf at a course of my choice, watched Christmas movies….sometimes a little time spent reflecting without distraction can be good, in the end it matters not what other people are doing at such times.

MR you’ve just been elevated in my estimations , love it , especially the free golf on Christmas Day

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

He flew into Perth on Thursday and lasted 2 days before going out and getting on the beers

2 days seriously it’s a joke he knew the rules going back to wa but getting on the grog was more important

Could of got shitfaced at home and no one would know

Shit cops told him to move on after the fight it only came out when it was sold to the media by the sounds of it

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I dont like hypotheticals, but I do have a question for those who disagree with me that Stack shouldnt be sacked. What should we do with him and how mnay more chances does he get. Where do we draw the line?

I think he has to apologise to the playing group and be accepted back and agree to go to counseling once a week .

 

[Bazzar]

And what part don't you get about peoples personality, their attitude to authority, you should have as a legal person (I'm guessing) some idea of mitigating circumstances. There was quarantine where I live, but young people didn't adhere to it in the end, and the cops and all us as parents all measured up the risks. We've not had a single case up here for 8 months yet we wear masks and obey the rules no matter how futile it seems at times. I had to go to SA right at the end of their breakout and they were shocked that we were asking about wearing masks. We have all towed the line, but for young bulletproof kids, that is bloody hard, as my 21 year old son has attested to. The young folk have been heroic in my eyes during this pandemic, because it has been so hard for them.

So you're ok with someone from Sydneys northern beaches coming here and disregarding quarantine to go nightclubbing?

 

[Bojangles17]

He flew into Perth on Thursday and lasted 2 days before going out and getting on the beers

2 days seriously it’s a joke he knew the rules going back to wa but getting on the grog was more important

Could of got shitfaced at home and no one would know

sh*t cops told him to move on after the fight it only came out when it was sold to the media by the sounds of it

The worry with this little twerp is trouble follows him around like shit sticks to a blanket , he couldn’t even get on the beers and behave himself had to act like a feral punching on in the street , it just gets worse

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

The worry with this little twerp is trouble follows him around like sh*t sticks to a blanket , he couldn’t even get on the beers and behave himself had to act like a feral punching on in the street , it just gets worse

Yeh spot on .

 

[rammbo]

I dont like hypotheticals, but I do have a question for those who disagree with me that Stack shouldnt be sacked. What should we do with him and how mnay more chances does he get. Where do we draw the line?

I reckon 2 more chances would be around the mark

 

[Grrr]

I dont like hypotheticals, but I do have a question for those who disagree with me that Stack shouldnt be sacked. What should we do with him and how mnay more chances does he get. Where do we draw the line?

Let's see how he goes in a normal Covid free year where he is not left to his own devises. He hasn't hurt anyone, bashed a cabbie, bashed a girlfriend, failed a drug test, cheated on his wife etc etc. He's just f****d up with lack of discipline.

 

[Grrr]

So you're ok with someone from Sydneys northern beaches coming here and disregarding quarantine to go nightclubbing?

No because the northern beaches are full of Covid. I would be happy for someone from Adelaide coming here to go clubbing, even though they are a 'hot spot', which of course they are not.

 

[Grrr]

I think he has to apologise to the playing group and be accepted back and agree to go to counseling once a week .

And find a host family where he might find the sort of normality he has never had even as a kid. No wonder he loved Dimma's place so much. At 14 he while we were all tucked up in bed he was couch surfing with coaches and anyone who could remotely look after him.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Let's see how he goes in a normal Covid free year where he is not left to his own devises. He hasn't hurt anyone, bashed a cabbie, bashed a girlfriend, failed a drug test, cheated on his wife etc etc. He's just f****d up with lack of discipline.

hahahahahahahaha

Breaking quarantine for a pandemic, under rules he knew before he went there, that potentially put an entire community into lockdown... is just a lack of discipline....

hahahahahahahaha

 

[Cdog71]

Been thinking on this and I keep coming back to the fact he has got as far as he has on his own and on his ability without elite pathways and financial advantage, private schools and discipline and structure.
He’s had success doing it his way.

The last 12 months he’s lived by more rules and restrictions than he’s probably had in the last 5 years (or ever) and in the past he’s broken them but he’s got by on ability and by preforming on the ground.
Richmond knew all this when they signed him and then we’ve had the biggest restrictions and reductions in people’s personal freedom (for good reason) that has ever existed in this country.
I worry now with reduced soft cap how clubs can support Indiginous kids in the transition. We are going to lose talent because theyre not highly functioning student/athletes who can deal with the schedules and structures as a young professional with the distraction of more money in their pocket and attention from strangers and social media than anyone in their families or community.
Stack is a Noongar man.
How many people in Australia would have much of an idea about Aboriginal culture if it wasnt for the AFL?
Bugger all I reckon. It’s given me more of an insight. I found an article written by Konrad Marshal called the “Noongar Warrior” it was after they picked the Noongar team of the century. Sheedy was apart of it he called them “the Zulu’s of this nation”.




From these experiences, the Noongars developed a certain defiance. AFL legend Kevin Sheedy recently called the Noongars a warrior tribe (“The Zulus of this nation”), and Roberts agrees. He thinks that mindset comes back to one word.

He writes it down in blue pen: winyarn.

“It means scared, or soft, or weak,” Roberts says. “You can’t be winyarn. You just can’t. To the Noongar, if someone has wronged you, you’ve gotta face them. Doesn’t matter if he’s twice the size, if he’s a cop, if there are three of them. You stand up.”


Stuck in a cell 20 hrs a day by yourself till next year.
Might make him might break him, I think the club should keep him and lets see what happens

 

[Grrr]

hahahahahahahaha

Breaking quarantine for a pandemic, under rules he knew before he went there, that potentially put an entire community into lockdown... is just a lack of discipline....

hahahahahahahaha

Yup, the first time was a shocker of course.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Not sure why there is so much sympathy for stack

My sympathy lies with people who were locked down for months who lost jobs and had family members sick or pass away who they couldn’t visit to say goodbye or bury

Not some selfish footballer who after being found breaking quarantine at a strippers then breaks it a month later in Perth

Before doing it again 2 months later. I’m sorry that Sydney lost his grandad but doesn’t seem like he really cared since he lasted two days with his grandma before walking out and getting on the piss and another fight

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

I’m not sure how accurate this is but Apparently he doesn’t have a regular residence here in Melbourne


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[Hank Heavenly]

Yup, the first time was a shocker of course.

I suppose you also think the hotel quarantine bloke just had "a cheeky little root" too, nothing to see here!

hahahahahaha

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I’m not sure how accurate this is but Apparently he doesn’t have a regular residence here in Melbourne


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He’s struggling big time, has been for a while.
There are people at the club who feel absolutely helpless, some annoyed but most just worried about him and where he’s heading. Quite a few who had good connection with him early on have just lost him.
Honestly worrying about him being a senior Richmond player is way down the list.

 

[sregit]

I dont like hypotheticals, but I do have a question for those who disagree with me that Stack shouldnt be sacked. What should we do with him and how mnay more chances does he get. Where do we draw the line?

What should we do with him... nothing. Contact his manager and let him know it's over. Pay out the contract and rid ourselves of the distraction.

 

[Muddiemoose]

I’m not sure how accurate this is but Apparently he doesn’t have a regular residence here in Melbourne


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I think this is true
I believe he lived with Clarke for a while before he stated dating conti and moved with her and her family
They broke up early this year and was than moved into the hub so currently hasn’t got any lodging in Melbourne

 

[dusty1234!]

Just as a side note, did he end up paying his portion of the fine for kebabgate?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Just as a side note, did he end up paying his portion of the fine for kebabgate?

Na
Aflpa stepped in and ruled that the club was responsible for the fine not the players themselves

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

Tigers providing 'behind the scenes support' to imprisoned Stack

By Daniel Cherny
December 22, 2020 — 5.32pm



The manager of imprisoned Richmond player [PLAYERCARD]Sydney Stack[/PLAYERCARD] says the Tigers have been privately supporting the troubled West Australian defender as he faces the prospect of seeing in the new year behind bars.
Stack, 20, is serving a 14-day quarantine period in an isolation cell at Perth's Hakea Prison over an alleged quarantine breach.

[PLAYERCARD]Sydney Stack[/PLAYERCARD], [PLAYERCARD]Derek Eggmolesse-Smith[/PLAYERCARD] and [PLAYERCARD]Marlion Pickett[/PLAYERCARD] with the VFL premiership cup in 2019.Credit:Getty Images
His agent, former West Coast and Brisbane Bears player Paul Peos, said the Tigers had been supportive of Stack despite the player himself acknowledging that his career hung in the balance.
"Can't say much at this point, but I can say Richmond have been providing considerable behind the scenes support for Syd's welfare," Peos said on Tuesday.

The breach came about after Stack returned to WA earlier this month to attend his grandfather's funeral, having started pre-season training with the Tigers at Punt Road earlier in December.

A brief lay-over at Adelaide airport en route to Perth triggered a 14-day quarantine period in the WA country town of Northam. Police allege Stack breached the conditions of his quarantine by staying in the Perth suburb of Belmont. The alleged breach was picked up in the early hours of Saturday morning when police stopped Stack following an alleged brawl in the Perth nightclub district of Northbridge.
The Tigers have opted against making more than a brief generic statement while the matter remains in front of the courts.
Stack had already found himself in hot water earlier in the year when he and Richmond teammate Callum Coleman-Jones were sent home from Queensland, suspended for 10 games and fined following their involvement in a fight outside a Gold Coast strip club in what was a serious breach of AFL hub protocols.

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Stack acknowledged to a court on Sunday via an audio hook-up that "my AFL career is on the line with Richmond".
A Perth magistrate has adjourned the matter until January 6 as the prison's quarantine policy prohibits Stack from leaving his cell to speak to the court via a video link during his isolation period.
Peos on Monday said that his client sounded "very distressed".
Former St Kilda assistant coach Jason Mifsud, who like Stack is Indigenous, questioned the decision to put Stack behind bars.

"Challenge the behaviour, support the person. Not sure incarcerating a vulnerable young person is the only solution in a case such as this. Seems unimaginative and unnecessarily punitive," Mifsud wrote on Twitter.

Despite being rated by some clubs as worthy of a first-round selection on talent alone, Stack was overlooked in the 2018 draft amid concerns about his reliability. He became one of the first players to be signed by the pre-season supplemental selection period after training with Richmond following the draft.
Stack worked his way into the Tigers' senior side in 2019 before being hampered by injury and ultimately missing selection for the AFL grand final. He did however win a premiership with Richmond's VFL side.

 

[muzhogg]

I dont like hypotheticals, but I do have a question for those who disagree with me that Stack shouldnt be sacked. What should we do with him and how mnay more chances does he get. Where do we draw the line?

With the caveat that I'm not definitively of the view that we should keep Stack -- that's something I'm conflicted about but do trust the club to make the right call -- I'm going to say that I don't think it's helpful to say ahead of time where to draw the line.

Yes, there are some obvious ones -- drug use, criminal activity, failing to maintain club standards, and so on.

But the problem for me is that I don't know what conversations Stack's had with the club, what undertakings they've given him (and vice versa), or even what the club's expectations for him are. Perhaps they kind of expected he'd be a handful and selected him fully willing to take him on board along with all his baggage.

My personal opinion is that a player should definitely be cut if he's being a detriment to the playing group. Here I think Connors was cut not just because he stuffed up, but because he looked like taking Dusty with him. Stack's sole saving grace at the moment is that his behaviour in WA is entirely on him.

I could easily say "just one more late night punch up" but I just don't like the way these things come back to bite you in the but when it turns out there were extenuating circumstances.

Anyway, not saying Stack should stay and I fully understand those who think he's been given enough rope. I'm just trying to explain why I personally don't know the answer to the questions your asking even if it is pretty clear that on his present trajectory he's not doing much to help those trying to help him.

 

[Bazzar]

"Former St Kilda assistant coach Jason Mifsud, who like Stack is Indigenous, questioned the decision to put Stack behind bars.

"Challenge the behaviour, support the person. Not sure incarcerating a vulnerable young person is the only solution in a case such as this. Seems unimaginative and unnecessarily punitive," Mifsud wrote on Twitter."

Can he tell us what the alternative was?

 

[Mr Magic]

With the caveat that I'm not definitively of the view that we should keep Stack -- that's something I'm conflicted about but do trust the club to make the right call -- I'm going to say that I don't think it's helpful to say ahead of time where to draw the line.

Yes, there are some obvious ones -- drug use, criminal activity, failing to maintain club standards, and so on.

But the problem for me is that I don't know what conversations Stack's had with the club, what undertakings they've given him (and vice versa), or even what the club's expectations for him are. Perhaps they kind of expected he'd be a handful and selected him fully willing to take him on board along with all his baggage.

My personal opinion is that a player should definitely be cut if he's being a detriment to the playing group. Here I think Connors was cut not just because he stuffed up, but because he looked like taking Dusty with him. Stack's sole saving grace at the moment is that his behaviour in WA is entirely on him.

I could easily say "just one more late night punch up" but I just don't like the way these things come back to bite you in the but when it turns out there were extenuating circumstances.

Anyway, not saying Stack should stay and I fully understand those who think he's been given enough rope. I'm just trying to explain why I personally don't know the answer to the questions your asking even if it is pretty clear that on his present trajectory he's not doing much to help those trying to help him.

Having said that Stack is a far better player than Connors and arguably has more extenuating circumstances.

Doesn't mean its a blank cheque but is Stack truely a lost cause?