Sydney Stack Discussion

[Muddiemoose]

It still doesn't make their rules correct. They are political rules and not safety rules. They give a false impression that the WA public ham up that they somewhat protect their state. They are fortunate that they live in the most isolated state in the country and hence have had the least chance to get COVID. I don't live there and thus, unfortunately, cannot vote the idiot out.
My argument here is that the rules are wrong. They are too harsh. They do not protect the state more than a hefty fine would. I have never argued that Stack hadn't broken the rules. I don't think Stack signed up to anything just as no one has signed up to any COVID rules anywhere. They have been forcefully imposed on us. Some are very good and serve to protect the community whilst others are there just to gain political popularity and serve no purpose in community safety. I'm calling them for what they are.
If you want to be a lap dog and have no spine to argue against unfair rules, well that's your prerogative.
On the other hand, many of us view some of these rules as a breach of human rights. Thrown in jail because of a one hour stopover in Adelaide is way over the top and should be called for what it is - a pathetic and cruel decision.

That is a political argument and might have merit however it hasn’t got anything to do with stack breaking the rules in the first place

It’s the same as an Australian getting charged with drug possession in Indonesia
The penalties are overblown but at the end of the day they are the rules and if you break them you need to cop the punishment regardless of how fair or unfair they may seem

Stack can’t claim ignorance imo especially after his history with the incident in qld or the warning he received in WA already

 

[Ancient Tiger]

That is a political argument and might have merit however it hasn’t got anything to do with stack breaking the rules in the first place

It’s the same as an Australian getting charged with drug possession in Indonesia
The penalties are overblown but at the end of the day they are the rules and if you break them you need to cop the punishment regardless of how fair or unfair they may seem

Stack can’t claim ignorance imo especially after his history with the incident in qld or the warning he received in WA already

My argument has been that the punishment is too harsh. Do you think they are commensurate with the crime?

 

[Muddiemoose]

My argument has been that the punishment is too harsh. Do you think they are commensurate with the crime?

It’s dosent matter what you or I think
That’s the punishment
Cop it sweet or don’t break the rules it’s as simple as that

If you want to change things be proactive and get involved with your local government

 

[Phar Ace]

That's because he was "charged" with fail to comply with a direction. Still has to answer to that charge, and bail was refused because he didn't/hasn't an address to quarantine. His hearing is only one day after his quarantine expires.

That's his fault because he left that address, no one else's

There are a few layers to this that affect his footballing future, which presumably is why we are all here.

Some are arguing the unfortunate nature of the state by state restrictions and how that has impacted on a young and sometimes stupid footballer. The Law won't care much about that, but I think the Club will take that into account.

The impact of the decision to perhaps rapidly (possible come up with an address to be nominate that could be used for 14days) nominate Northam as his isolation address may become an issue argued in court, but again the Club will look at the impact of that.

That he was even in Northbridge on the said night will be discussed and none of us could even know the circumstances that led to that, other than that is what triggered the "Failure to Comply Notice'. It will be discussed in Court no doubt and whether it has any mitigating circumstance attached, we are yet to hear. The Club will be most interested in this and may well be the point at which it cuts it's ties. I hope there are some sort of mitigating circumstances that the Club will consider but am not holding my breathe.

Once arrested and charged, Stack lost all control of the narrative at that point. He was remanded, and with no place to be safely placed he had to go to Hakea Prison to serve his isolation and that was chiefly why no bail was allowed we presume (I could find no record of this thought process). That he was jailed could become a trigger point for the Club - they may quite literally have no choice - be interested in what Kiwi Tiger has to say on this in terms of Risk Assessment.

Once at Hakea Prison he could not attend his own hearing in court - not of his making. This was a Covid protocol of Hakea Prison apparently, though ABC states this

"His case briefly returned to the Perth Magistrates Court on Monday and was heard in his absence, with his lawyer saying she had been unable to speak to the 20-year-old and therefore could not progress the matter any further. His case was adjourned to January 6 for a further mention by videolink."​

That will all be relevant for the Court, and any element of the penalty you would think. The Club will be most interested in any circumstances that is uncovered or unknown at this stage and how that weighs up against what it has been told so far. This will have a huge bearing on Stack's future you would think and because he has phone communication available to him, I think he will have been very busy on it, as should be his Manager and necessary Club Officials.

His involvement in any events that occurred at Northbridge (assaults etc) is yet to be known. Hopefully there is nothing other than he was there and had no role on either side of the assault. This could be the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. If implicated in any way that shows poor judgement and lack of reasonable control, the Club should probably let him go. His footballing future, as Stacky says, is on the line. Michael Ablett, who had a role in his development at different times has already made the call - Stacky has played his last game at Richmond - I suspect he has more knowledge surrounding this than anyone on here, so that worries me for Stack's sake. Perhaps it will be for the best. Seems WA is his achilles heal (kebab-gate to one side).

 

[VB_longneck]

is he out yet

 

[Phar Ace]

is he out yet

Pretty sure he's straight mate

 

[SunshineBoy]

Possibly one of the more complete summaries on the issue.

Richmond AFL player Sydney Stack to spend Christmas in custody

Richmond AFL player Sydney Stack is set to spend Christmas alone behind bars as a result of his alleged breach of Western Australia's strict quarantine laws.

www.abc.net.au

Phar I have said it a couple of times , if he had stayed in Northam or Belmont he wouldn’t be in jail, the cops didn’t go looking for him, he went to a Northbridge nightspot got into blue, cops arrived and subsequently found him to be in breach, nothing to do with the laws, all to do with his choices, and as seen he did give us another heartfelt apology and told us it was so unlike him to break the law.

I don’t agree with macgowans laws but it’s what the people of wa signed up for

 

[Del65166]

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Honestly I'm sick to death of the commentary that he's got massive talent and it's up to the club to turn him around.and we need to keep giving him chances .. Horsesh#t ..he's the Bernard tomic of footy all the talent in the world and not the sense or discipline to harness it... The world of sport is littered with these types, it's up to him to get his sh#t in one sock, no one else's ....
Also it seems to me he's a bit of a gobby smartarse.. He turned up at the club with a black eye which he claims was an accident... He gets into a punchup getting a kebab when he shouldn't have been there ... And now surprise surprise another punch up in Northbridge in another place where he shouldn't have been ..
You know the ones I feel sorry for... The Turner's and the English's of the sporting world.. Solid citizens who don't put a foot wrong but try there guts out and through an accident of birth just weren't quite talented enough to make it.... This guy Stack all the talent in the world and he's determined to piss it away..
Having said all that the club know a heap more than me and any decision they make I won't b*tch about, but if they dump him I'm perfectly fine with that ...

Stack's not just a smart ass. But this intelligence & good football from 2019, seems another world away from 2020's dumb decisions. Turner and English are out of contract when list sizes get squeezed, bad luck to them. Some solid citizens like Chol, Garth hang around & RCD may not ever play. List management 101. What is a known known is that Stack can play good, consistent footy. Stack has a year to go on his contract & might still not play again for RFC, although I doubt we'd outright sack him. His list spot can't be filled unless he resigns.
With the benefit of hindsight I wonder if the depth players at the hub should have been sent home & rotated once with those who didn't go up initially. To loosen up/freshen up. Melb, Sydney Perth Adelaide wherever.

How Sydney Stack paid tribute to AFL "legends"

"I’m still in disbelief that I’m playing footy among these legends."

www.sen.com.au

 

[SunshineBoy]

Quarantine was reset on the 24th

A 49yo woman has just escaped quarantine in Perth, been caught , charged and remanded in custody.

Was she indigenous?

 

[Del65166]

Where was he going to do his extra 5 days quarantine?

Ex prez. Alan Bond's house

 

[SunshineBoy]

My argument has been that the punishment is too harsh. Do you think they are commensurate with the crime?

So is the death penalty for drugs in some parts of the world , but the elected leaders rightly or wrongly have these laws/rules, the sheep that vote them in that’s a different argument and we are digressing from why Sydney is in the mess he is in

 

[SunshineBoy]

There are a few layers to this that affect his footballing future, which presumably is why we are all here.

Some are arguing the unfortunate nature of the state by state restrictions and how that has impacted on a young and sometimes stupid footballer. The Law won't care much about that, but I think the Club will take that into account.

The impact of the decision to perhaps rapidly (possible come up with an address to be nominate that could be used for 14days) nominate Northam as his isolation address may become an issue argued in court, but again the Club will look at the impact of that.

That he was even in Northbridge on the said night will be discussed and none of us could even know the circumstances that led to that, other than that is what triggered the "Failure to Comply Notice'. It will be discussed in Court no doubt and whether it has any mitigating circumstance attached, we are yet to hear. The Club will be most interested in this and may well be the point at which it cuts it's ties. I hope there are some sort of mitigating circumstances that the Club will consider but am not holding my breathe.

Once arrested and charged, Stack lost all control of the narrative at that point. He was remanded, and with no place to be safely placed he had to go to Hakea Prison to serve his isolation and that was chiefly why no bail was allowed we presume (I could find no record of this thought process). That he was jailed could become a trigger point for the Club - they may quite literally have no choice - be interested in what Kiwi Tiger has to say on this in terms of Risk Assessment.

Once at Hakea Prison he could not attend his own hearing in court - not of his making. This was a Covid protocol of Hakea Prison apparently, though ABC states this

"His case briefly returned to the Perth Magistrates Court on Monday and was heard in his absence, with his lawyer saying she had been unable to speak to the 20-year-old and therefore could not progress the matter any further. His case was adjourned to January 6 for a further mention by videolink."​

That will all be relevant for the Court, and any element of the penalty you would think. The Club will be most interested in any circumstances that is uncovered or unknown at this stage and how that weighs up against what it has been told so far. This will have a huge bearing on Stack's future you would think and because he has phone communication available to him, I think he will have been very busy on it, as should be his Manager and necessary Club Officials.

His involvement in any events that occurred at Northbridge (assaults etc) is yet to be known. Hopefully there is nothing other than he was there and had no role on either side of the assault. This could be the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. If implicated in any way that shows poor judgement and lack of reasonable control, the Club should probably let him go. His footballing future, as Stacky says, is on the line. Michael Ablett, who had a role in his development at different times has already made the call - Stacky has played his last game at Richmond - I suspect he has more knowledge surrounding this than anyone on here, so that worries me for Stack's sake. Perhaps it will be for the best. Seems WA is his achilles heal (kebab-gate to one side).

well surmised

 

[Phar Ace]

Phar I have said it a couple of times , if he had stayed in Northam or Belmont he wouldn’t be in jail, the cops didn’t go looking for him, he went to a Northbridge nightspot got into blue, cops arrived and subsequently found him to be in breach, nothing to do with the laws, all to do with his choices, and as seen he did give us another heartfelt apology and told us it was so unlike him to break the law.

I don’t agree with macgowans laws but it’s what the people of wa signed up for

As a learned man you too would know that we don't know all the facts yet. We don't know why he was in Northbridge (but we can guess), we don't know his role in the assault that led to Stack being questioned and we presume his Covid breach uncovered. Now I doubt it, BUT he could have been in transit to a new isolation dwelling, thinking the cover of darkness was the best time, maybe he was a casual observer, maybe he was on his way to a designated police station - all fanciful I know - but he deserves the opportunity to explain and to answer reasonable questions. He deserves a defense. You would want it, I would want it - he deserves it too. I've said it already a number of times, there are a few layers and some on here seem more interested in different layers.
My interest is what the Club hears, believes and then does. It's not constrained by the Law alone. That's the layer I'm interested in the most. Some like the legal layer more, some just want natural justice.

 

[Phar Ace]

Ex prez. Alan Bond's house

Gina's got a couple of $7m homes up here in Noosa Sound she could let him use for 14 days perhaps....................... she wouldn't want much - NOT MUCH!

 

[Muddiemoose]

As a learned man you too would know that we don't know all the facts yet. We don't know why he was in Northbridge (but we can guess), we don't know his role in the assault that led to Stack being questioned and we presume his Covid breach uncovered. Now I doubt it, BUT he could have been in transit to a new isolation dwelling, thinking the cover of darkness was the best time, maybe he was a casual observer, maybe he was on his way to a designated police station - all fanciful I know - but he deserves the opportunity to explain and to answer reasonable questions. He deserves a defense. You would want it, I would want it - he deserves it too. I've said it already a number of times, there are a few layers and some on here seem more interested in different layers.
My interest is what the Club hears, believes and then does. It's not contrained by the Law alone. That's the layer I'm interested in the most. Some like the legal layer more, some just want natural justice.

Have you seen the footage of the altercation by any chance?
It’s pretty damning and can’t see any way can can justify why he was there

 

[Phar Ace]

Have you seen the footage of the altercation by any chance?
It’s pretty damning and can’t see any way can can justify why he was there

No i haven't Muddie, link me if you are able. That said I still want to hear how he chooses to defend his actions, what he believes his circumstances were and how the Club chooses to respond to that. The Law is the law and all he can do is plead his case.

 

[Del65166]

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Honestly I'm sick to death of the commentary that he's got massive talent and it's up to the club to turn him around.and we need to keep giving him chances .. Horsesh#t ..he's the Bernard tomic of footy all the talent in the world and not the sense or discipline to harness it... The world of sport is littered with these types, it's up to him to get his sh#t in one sock, no one else's ....
Also it seems to me he's a bit of a gobby smartarse.. He turned up at the club with a black eye which he claims was an accident... He gets into a punchup getting a kebab when he shouldn't have been there ... And now surprise surprise another punch up in Northbridge in another place where he shouldn't have been ..
You know the ones I feel sorry for... The Turner's and the English's of the sporting world.. Solid citizens who don't put a foot wrong but try there guts out and through an accident of birth just weren't quite talented enough to make it.... This guy Stack all the talent in the world and he's determined to piss it away..
Having said all that the club know a heap more than me and any decision they make I won't b*tch about, but if they dump him I'm perfectly fine with that ...

Not just a smart ass.

Quarantine was reset on the 24th

A 49yo woman has just escaped quarantine in Perth, been caught , charged and remanded in custody.

And just another 6 days jail for what?

 

[Muddiemoose]

No i haven't Muddie, link me if you are able. That said I still want to hear how he chooses to defend his actions, what he believes his circumstances were and how the Club chooses to respond to that. The Law is the law and all he can do is plead his case.

AFL player filmed in wild street fight despite order to quarantine

7NEWS has obtained damning footage of the incident that led to Sydney Stack’s arrest.

www.google.com.au

 

[Phar Ace]

Not just a smart ass.

And just another 6 days jail for what?
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That was probably the earliest of the prescribed dates available - Judges holiday too, other cases have already been prescribed dates - unlucky time of year!

 

[Phar Ace]

AFL player filmed in wild street fight despite order to quarantine

7NEWS has obtained damning footage of the incident that led to Sydney Stack’s arrest.

www.google.com.au

Thanks - You think he was in the yellow or the black?

 

[Muddiemoose]

You think he was in the yellow or the black?

Yellow top is stack I’m pretty sure

 

[Phar Ace]

Yellow top is stack I’m pretty sure

That was my guess, and if so what would be your description of what you saw?

 

[Muddiemoose]

That was my guess, and if so what would be your description of what you saw?

Seems like he isn’t the aggressor but he isn’t trying to de escalate the situation either by throwing some taunts in

Im more disappointed by him being in the situation in the first place than anything else that occurred afterwards

If it was the first time I would be a lot more forgiving but the fact it’s the 2nd time he’s found himself in a fight when out on the town when he shouldn’t be

Along with other issues like losing his licence for drink driving previously along with incidents that led to him not being drafted

 

[Bazzar]

And just another 6 days jail for what?

Its only 2 days, or 1.5 if he has a 9 or 10am hearing when he will be released.

 

[Phar Ace]

Seems like he isn’t the aggressor but he isn’t trying to de escalate the situation either by throwing some taunts in

Im more disappointed by him being in the situation in the first place than anything else that occurred afterwards

If it was the first time I would be a lot more forgiving but the fact it’s the 2nd time he’s found himself in a fight when out on the town when he shouldn’t be

Along with other issues like losing his licence for drink driving previously along with incidents that led to him not being drafted

Agree he appears to be set upon, ducked under a swinging punch, got him to ground and took off. The hard thing is knowing what actually took place. Apparently has nothing to answer for on what was filmed -was given a move-on-notice, BUT, that was the start of the bigger troubles it would seem.

So while I agree the vision does him no favours if taken in isolation (no pun intended), the Club will be very interested in his decision process prior to the footage - it could be the footage confirms an attempt to avoid the confrontation, to do his best to remove himself in the face of an aggressor. Plausible but probably unlikely on what we've come to experience. BUT he deserves the chance to explain fully. So again, the layers. The Club will be interest in things the Law has no part to play in, but all may have some mitigating role.

Honestly think it is best not to condemn him or pre-determine his fate, but rather wait and see what he has to say for himself when the opportunity arises on Jan 6th. When you are a known person, and visible, it can draw unnecessary attention - look at what Dusty contended with early on and there was a quite the pile-on there for a while.

I think Peos, his Manager, is going regret not being more hands-on. As someone has said, but for a one hour drop in at Adelaide, the whole narrative could well have been different even with a similar set of events unfolding. Stacky has a lot of time to reflect on that. I think it shows the fragility of cause and effect sometimes and how each of us might have responded differently - even from one another!!!!!