Sydney Stack Discussion

[SunshineBoy]

I very much doubt that Stack even thought of the consequences. I doubt very much that he thought he would spend jail time, and have to face court three times when everyone else was getting a smack on the wrist. He's 20 and bullet proof like most of us were at his age.

Who were the others that got a sMack on the wrist? at last count 6 are in jail and five are white , so cut the sanctimonious crap abot racism

 

[Toadvine]

Who were the others that got a sMack on the wrist? at last count 6 are in jail and five are white , so cut the sanctimonious crap abot racism

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I understand that these are not as blatant as being out on the town like stack was but as those who were for Stack ending up in prison kept saying "the law is the law"...only it isn't if your Jesse Hogan or Fyfe with bull shit excuses.

 

[SunshineBoy]

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I understand that these are not as blatant and being out on the town like stack was but as those who were for Stack ending up in prison kept saying "the law is the law"...only it doesn't if your Jesse Hogan or Fyfe with bull sh*t excuses.

they were already in wa they didn’t come from interstate, take it up with the labor leader

 

[Toadvine]

they were already in wa they didn’t come from interstate, take it up with the labor leader

Hogan breached quarantine like Stack did to hook up with a chick and Fyfe violated a travel ban to go surfing. If the law is the law how did they escape jail?

 

[SunshineBoy]

Hogan breached quarantine like Stack did to hook up with a chick and Fyfe violated a travel ban to go surfing. If the law is the law how did they escape jail?

They were already in wa they didn’t come from interstate, they didn’t sign a g2g

 

[SunshineBoy]

Let’s hope he comes back, we aren’t haters as a lot of you call us but we are realists , it might be a bridge too far for him

 

[box070]

They were already in wa they didn’t come from interstate, they didn’t sign a g2g

How’s that different. Quarantine breach is a quarantine breach

 

[SunshineBoy]

How’s that different. Quarantine breach is a quarantine breach

Ask mark mcgowan

 

[box070]

Ask mark mcgowan

Ah shit... got nothing

 

[Bazzar]

Hogan breached quarantine like Stack did to hook up with a chick and Fyfe violated a travel ban to go surfing. If the law is the law how did they escape jail?

Fyfe didn't violate a travel ban, he already had a zone permit as he was working for his families trucking business and wasnt quarantining, and by WA law was allowed "exercise" if social distancing was observed.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Why did Dusty get rubbed out and ablett didn’t ? Why has my grandfather got balls and my grandma doesn’t why why why

 

[damicky]

I have nothing against SS personally

Just disappointed that he keeps letting down the RFC & himself

 

[Phar Ace]

Let’s hope he comes back, we aren’t haters as a lot of you call us but we are realists , it might be a bridge too far for him

Not actually realists, just believers in your versions of the facts, and, unbelievers in other's versions of the facts

But that's OK, you barrack for the Tiges, so that's OK!

 

[Dystraction]

Don't agree. I believe he got what he deserved. He knowing broke quarantine and it was known prior that WA had the toughest penalties. Do the crime do the time.

Seriously you need to get a grip.

 

[Wazza69]

Close this effing thread


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[Grrr]

That’s just humbug though mate , the rules were In place for all to comply with , Stacky decided to be a smart arse and thumb his nose at the law and he’s paying the price, my sympathy has evaporated

People in Melbourne have a much greater sense of urgency and need to comply with the rules than other parts of the country. Melbourne people did it really tough, so have little sympathy for those who took it less so, and understandably so, they took the full brunt of lockdown. Other parts of the country far less so.

In WA life was almost normal, very few restrictions, pubs open, clubs open, no masks, not nothing. Stack had been living there for months so was probably pretty used to not having any restrictions placed on him, just like the rest of society. If he had not have drawn attention to himself there would have been no problem, just like up here in Mildura where there rules were in place, but the young folk payed scant regard to them as we had no community transmission. The young kids just couldn't see the sense of it all. Even the cops when they came to parties would give them an hour to disperse. Stack probably much the same thing, as did 99% of the young people in WA I'd have a guess.

 

[smurfin]

How long did it take you to learn the lesson?

In my teens and early 20s I was often unlicensed, unregistered, and over the limit. But I definitely obeyed road rules in these situations to avoid drawing attention to myself ( like Sydney Stack should avoid getting in fights when breaking other rules).
I suffered depression, had a mild sort of death-wish - or rather not too much of a fuss whether I continued living or not, and relied a lot on alcohol to help me "fit in" at parties as otherwise I just couldn't socially interact.

It was probably mid-20's before I matured enough to leave that behind. Had a job where I needed my license, so it wasn't worth the risk. Finally decided to fight and beat the depression and didn't have the alcohol reliance anymore.
I'll still speed occasionally, but only by less than 10 km/h as its a lesser penalty if caught.
Probably over 10 years since my last speeding ticket, and yes that was on a road that went from 80 to 60 for no apparent reason so I stubbornly decided to stick to 80 and got done. Fair enough - I knew the rules decided I knew better but got caught and wore the consequences. The consequences were not my last demerit points so did not affect me hugely.

I an definitely see the parallels between myself and Stack with these situations. Hope he's smart and capable enough to learn the lesson before his mid 20s because his career won't wait that long.

 

[4tune8]

In my teens and early 20s I was often unlicensed, unregistered, and over the limit. But I definitely obeyed road rules in these situations to avoid drawing attention to myself ( like Sydney Stack should avoid getting in fights when breaking other rules).
I suffered depression, had a mild sort of death-wish - or rather not too much of a fuss whether I continued living or not, and relied a lot on alcohol to help me "fit in" at parties as otherwise I just couldn't socially interact.

It was probably mid-20's before I matured enough to leave that behind. Had a job where I needed my license, so it wasn't worth the risk. Finally decided to fight and beat the depression and didn't have the alcohol reliance anymore.
I'll still speed occasionally, but only by less than 10 km/h as its a lesser penalty if caught.
Probably over 10 years since my last speeding ticket, and yes that was on a road that went from 80 to 60 for no apparent reason so I stubbornly decided to stick to 80 and got done. Fair enough - I knew the rules decided I knew better but got caught and wore the consequences. The consequences were not my last demerit points so did not affect me hugely.

I an definitely see the parallels between myself and Stack with these situations. Hope he's smart and capable enough to learn the lesson before his mid 20s because his career won't wait that long.

IMHO I think your story reflects what most teenage lads go through. Sydney is no different and with the systemic rascism and difficulties in his upbringing it can be argued that his 'education' has been hindered more than the average young man.

I'm not here to bag the lad, nor am I here to offer excuses. What I try and do is put myself in his shoes to give myself a better understanding of his situation.

 

[box070]

IMHO I think your story reflects what most teenage lads go through. Sydney is no different and with the systemic rascism and difficulties in his upbringing it can be argued that his 'education' has been hindered more than the average young man.

I'm not here to bag the lad, nor am I here to offer excuses. What I try and do is put myself in his shoes to give myself a better understanding of his situation.

Amen. Finally a balanced opinion which is something I have been trying to do as well. Some folk here have never made a mistake

 

[Phar Ace]

IMHO I think your story reflects what most teenage lads go through. Sydney is no different and with the systemic rascism and difficulties in his upbringing it can be argued that his 'education' has been hindered more than the average young man.

I'm not here to bag the lad, nor am I here to offer excuses. What I try and do is put myself in his shoes to give myself a better understanding of his situation.

Agreed. I suspect his circumstances are like nothing any of us have had to face. Covid issues have seen to that as well. How each of us would react would be different to one another, even in the smallest of margins. It was one or two of those smallest of margins that has been Stacky's undoing in this instance, and he has paid a price that I agree with many is over the top. But, that's his lot to problem solve now, and with good support I hope he gets to have a brighter future with the RFC. He'll either be better or bitter - choose better please Stacky - you still have so much to offer and get back!

 

[smurfin]

IMHO I think your story reflects what most teenage lads go through. Sydney is no different and with the systemic rascism and difficulties in his upbringing it can be argued that his 'education' has been hindered more than the average young man.

I'm not here to bag the lad, nor am I here to offer excuses. What I try and do is put myself in his shoes to give myself a better understanding of his situation.

It's amazing the few times I've got up in a semi-public setting and told my story the people who approach me afterwards and say it was almost like I was telling their story. When I was Sydney's age I had no chance of knuckling down and being professional. If I actually any talent and a crack at an AFL career I would have blown it.

 

[4tune8]

Agreed. I suspect his circumstances are like nothing any of us have had to face. Covid issues have seen to that as well. How each of us would react would be different to one another, even in the smallest of margins. It was one or two of those smallest of margins that has been Stacky's undoing in this instance, and he has paid a price that I agree with many is over the top. But, that's his lot to problem solve now, and with good support I hope he gets to have a brighter future with the RFC. He'll either be better or bitter - choose better please Stacky - you still have so much to offer and get back!

He's very lucky in many ways. The support networks and mentoring that's available to him far outweigh what the normal young Australian male has access to. He has the ability to become one of the highest paid footballers in the country, he has the opportunity to be a role model to many struggling indigenous kids and also to leave his mark which very few people get the chance to do.

As an aside, I think there's a fundamental flaw in the way that young men are brought up and educated and it's been going on for decades. It was something that became clear to me after I had fathered 2 boys. I started thinking about the people who were going to influence them and teach them how to be real men. Not the 'I'm too tough to cry' type, or the fella that wins all his fights, or the young bloke that's looked up to by his peers because he's the toughest of the lot. More the man who respects his elders, treats a woman as his equal, can defend himself but not provoke, can show emotion and empathy, can compete to win but show humility when he does and also be gracious in defeat, but above all be honest and trustworthy and place your honor on your word.

What I was seeing in the early years was that there were no men or mentors around, no uncles, no grandfathers, no real men to show the way by example, yes, my boys had exposure to those men but not very often, not daily, more monthly. There were only women being involved in their upbringing, or were going to be involved in their upbringing. From mum to the health care nurse, to the child carer, to the playgroup supervisor, to the kindergarten teacher, the primary school teacher, they were all women. Whilst dad was away at work for most of the day, in a lot of cases 6:30am-7:00pm, and no real opportunity to be involved in the education of his son.

I made a concerted effort to be around and be involved by working my shifts so I was available to look after them all day if needed, yes, I was lucky that I had the opportunity to swap shifts as was my partner, so that one of us was always with them. We never used chid care before they were old enough to go to school. To be honest some of my fondest memories are those were I participated in doing kinder duties, it was just so unusual to have a bloke doing that stuff that the kids loved it, although I must say I was mightily embarrassed the day my youngest turned around when leaving to say 'bye' but instead said "see you ****ers later!!!".

I'm sure that a lot of the problems with our society stem from this fracture of the family unit and it manifests itself in so many ways, child abuse, domestic violence, suicide, mental health problems (although they can be clinical), drug abuse, criminal offenses. But more generally a lack of understanding of what it is to be a real man. Respect and Honor.

 

[Phar Ace]

He's very lucky in many ways. The support networks and mentoring that's available to him far outweigh what the normal young Australian male has access to. He has the ability to become one of the highest paid footballers in the country, he has the opportunity to be a role model to many struggling indigenous kids and also to leave his mark that very few people get the chance to do.

As an aside, I think there's a fundamental flaw in the way that young men are brought up and educated and it's been going on for decades. It was something that became clear to me after I had fathered 2 boys. I started thinking about the people who were going to influence them and teach them how to be real men. Not the 'I'm too tough to cry' type, or the fella that wins all his fights, or the young bloke that's looked up to by his peers because he's the toughest of the lot. More the man who respects his elders, treats a woman as his equal, can defend himself but not provoke, can show emotion and empathy, can compete to win but show humility when he does and also be gracious in defeat, but above all be honest and trustworthy and place your honor on your word.

What I was seeing in the early years was that there were no men or mentors around, no uncles, no grandfathers, no real men to show the way by example, yes, my boys had exposure to those men but not very often, not daily, more monthly. There were only women being involved in their upbringing, or were going to be involved in their upbringing. From mum to the health care nurse, to the child carer, to the playgroup supervisor, to the kindergarten teacher, the primary school teacher, they were all women. Whilst dad was away at work for most of the day, in a lot of cases 6:30am-7:00pm, and no real opportunity to be involved in the education of his son.

I made a concerted effort to be around and be involved by working my shifts so I was available to look after them all day if needed, yes, I was lucky that I had the opportunity to swap shifts as was my partner, so that one of us was always with them. We never used chid care before they were old enough to go to school. To be honest some of my fondest memories are those were I participated in doing kinder duties, it was just so unusual to have a bloke doing that stuff that the kids loved it, although I must say I was mightily embarrassed the day my youngest turned around when leaving to say 'bye' but instead said "see you f***ers later!!!".

I'm sure that a lot of the problems with our society stem from this fracture of the family unit and it manifests itself in so many ways, child abuse, domestic violence, suicide, mental health problems (although they can be clinical), drug abuse, criminal offenses. But more generally a lack of understanding of what it is to be a real man. Respect and Honor.

I'm sure there are a lot of men that can related to exactly what you have said - and there are others who have skipped through it and gone ppfftt! I think many of us can't be as authentic as we would like for many of the reasons you state. Many men straddle the numerous male personas - a good example is construction. I've watched this when I'm on a job site and then get to visit someone's home to do repairs or install something there. Two different people. But, at least that change has been made!

I didn't get to raise sons, my wife said she was endeavoring to breed out that inherent gene flaw! I have a couple of nephews with whom I am close. So as a father of daughters I tip my hat to you and say stand tall - I'll stand beside you all day long brother!

 

[4tune8]

I sure there are a lot of men that can related to exactly what you have said - and there are others who have skipped through it and gone ppfftt! I think many of us can't be as authentic as we would like for many of the reasons you state. Many men straddle the numerous male personas - a good example is construction. I've watched this when I'm on a job site and then get to visit someone's home to do repairs or install something there. Two different people. But, at least that change has been made!

I didn't get to raise sons, my wife said she was endeavoring to breed out that inherent gene flaw! I have a couple of nephews with whom I am close. So as a father of daughters I tip my hat to you and say stand tall - I'll stand beside you all day long brother!

Cheers mister, right back at ya.............. that bolded bit is what I'm seeing from the fellas and people involved with Stack, some mightn't be as heavily invested as others but from what JackR said I have faith that it wont be from the lack of support if Stack does fail.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Hogan breached quarantine like Stack did to hook up with a chick and Fyfe violated a travel ban to go surfing. If the law is the law how did they escape jail?

Probably because they didn't tell the judge they were on their way to get a COVID test!

To suggest they are even remotely similar is hilarious. Hogan was in the home he was quarantining in, Fyfe didn't breach any commitment to quarantine and was on a remote beach. On the other hand Sydney was partying in Northbridge with a few thousand people he could have passed it on to, lied when questioned and is a multiple offender.

The suggestions of racism in the decision to jail and WA bashing on here is a lot clearer example of bigotry than the reality of what happened to Stack.