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zyzzbruh

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Half the things you have quoted me as saying I have never said champ

I said father son’s shouldn’t be gotten rid of and I never said academies should be scrapped just the first two rounds protected. The only thing that has to go are NGA’s they are the biggest joke
You still havn't answered the question as to what benefit having a f/s system has... If you want the first 2 rounds of academies scrapped then it has to be the same for f/s, no daicos for you because why are you allowed that concession? despite academies serving to stem a very obvious inequity, you're jumping on it. F/s serves nothing yet you defend it. LOL. Listen to yourself.
 
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Drive half an hour to Clayton and it’s $1 million. That’s the comparison.
Or we can do Kensington? $2.7 million.
You are cherry-picking examples to fit your narrative
There would be still sub 1M suburbs within a half an hour radius to Sydney’s facilities
As good as the intentions were with COLA Sydney ruined it for themselves by pushing the envelope and working the system
If they purely used it for the manner it was intended for it would of had it taken off them
The players it was intended to help badly saw any of the benefits while the top earners at the club got the lions share defeating the purpose
 

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SM

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You are cherry-picking examples to fit your narrative
There would be still sub 1M suburbs within a half an hour radius to Sydney’s facilities
As good as the intentions were with COLA Sydney ruined it for themselves by pushing the envelope and working the system
If they purely used it for the manner it was intended for it would of had it taken off them
The players it was intended to help badly saw any of the benefits while the top earners at the club got the lions share defeating the purpose
I don't think there's any sub 1m suburbs in Sydney, let alone a half hour radius to training.
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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You are cherry-picking examples to fit your narrative
There would be still sub 1M suburbs within a half an hour radius to Sydney’s facilities
As good as the intentions were with COLA Sydney ruined it for themselves by pushing the envelope and working the system
If they purely used it for the manner it was intended for it would of had it taken off them
The players it was intended to help badly saw any of the benefits while the top earners at the club got the lions share defeating the purpose
Find me one. Not on the bottom of the harbour.
 

Sphynx

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Nice answer.

The point is Josh Kelly commutes 50 mins across Sydney every day.

Boomer Harvey commuted 40kms through Melbourne’s Northern suburbs every day for his entire career.

There’s no reason they have to buy a property in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney, than can commute from somewhere more affordable or rent in the Eastern suburbs.
 

BloodySwan

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You still havn't answered the question as to what benefit having a f/s system has... If you want the first 2 rounds of academies scrapped then it has to be the same for f/s, no daicos for you because why are you allowed that concession? despite academies serving to stem a very obvious inequity, you're jumping on it. F/s serves nothing yet you defend it. LOL. Listen to yourself.
Victorian advantages are tradition. Untouchable.....
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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Nice answer.

The point is Josh Kelly commutes 50 mins across Sydney every day.

Boomer Harvey commuted 40kms through Melbourne’s Northern suburbs every day for his entire career.

There’s no reason they have to buy a property in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney, than can commute from somewhere more affordable or rent in the Eastern suburbs.
Right. So if you want to play for Sydney on equal financial terms as Victorian players you must commute 45 minutes plus.

No. That’s not a disadvantage to Sydney at all! 🙄
 

Sphynx

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Right. So if you want to play for Sydney on equal financial terms as Victorian players you must commute 45 minutes plus.

No. That’s not a disadvantage to Sydney at all! 🙄
What?

My point is you assume that Sydney players are at a disadvantage if they have to travel so far to find affordability.
Plenty of Victorian players have to do the same level commute every morning.

Why can’t they just rent? There’s no unconditional clause in the AFLPA contract that says these AFL players are entitled to own a home near their training base.
 

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Seedsfan

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You still havn't answered the question as to what benefit having a f/s system has... If you want the first 2 rounds of academies scrapped then it has to be the same for f/s, no daicos for you because why are you allowed that concession? despite academies serving to stem a very obvious inequity, you're jumping on it. F/s serves nothing yet you defend it. LOL. Listen to yourself.
You claim 90% of the games talent pool is in Melbourne fu** off and try and get an idea about what you are saying.

My view on the father son is irrelevant but seeing as you want it so much

I would go back to all clubs having zones like the NRL does and then let F/S join the academy of their old mans club even if they live outside the zone

In the draft it does throw up such an issue as academies as it’s a pathway open to every club (admittedly not yet to the Suns or Giants) and not a strategic hand out given to advantage some clubs
 

Seedsfan

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Right. So if you want to play for Sydney on equal financial terms as Victorian players you must commute 45 minutes plus.

No. That’s not a disadvantage to Sydney at all! 🙄
On the flip side the Sydney property market for years has been growing at the fastest rate. So you can buy when you play sell when you move out and have all that capital gains
 

Shadow89

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Their workplace is in Sydney. If you think a commute from Campbelltown to there is reasonable you’re delusional and have never been to Sydney.
To be fair, I used to live in Helensburgh for a couple of years, about 10 years ago and commute to the Blue Mountains every day lol. The train ride from Helensburgh to the city was around 50-55 minutes each day - which is pretty reasonable and in line with a lot of Melbourne train services (except when there's track work *shudder*).

If your work is around an hour to an hour and a half away by transport each day, but you're getting paid over 100K a year - as most AFL players do (barring some rookies), then it really isn't that big a deal if that's your travel schedule.

Now travelling from the South Coast to the Blue Mountains every day which takes about 2.5 - 3 hours each way...that is a different story...
 

HirdsTheWord

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That was how it worked. I’m simply responding to “Eddie”.
so surely you can see it wasnt for COLA at all....

It was simply a means to give players more money to attract them to Sydney...

THe new system, which mainly targets rookies and juniors is a much more understandable system relating to COLA.
 

HirdsTheWord

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Garbage. You don’t think there is an advantage for Essendon in being able to house their players 5 minutes from the ground in a nice leafy suburb when for the same price Sydney players would be housed 40 minutes away in an industrial suburb?
Mate, Essendons home Ground is in Tullamarine.......

Most of the Essendon players live in Albert Park.........which is ******* 25km's away.......

you are proving my point they can travel to work!
 

HirdsTheWord

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Marrickville, half an hour west of Moore Park, median house price $1.4 million.
Tullamarine, where the Bombers train, median house price $640,000.

No cost of living difference. 🙄
None of Essendon's players live in Tulla rofl

they all live in inner city Melbourne. Albert Park etc.

they all travel over 20km to get to training. it actually makes your argument even more stupid because Albert Park is considerably MORE expensive than Tullamarine.

Why cant Sydney players do the same? Answer? Cause they don't ******* want too

I could easily find a suburb 20min from the SCG that has the same house price as Albert Park
 
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Aug 24, 2017
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None of Essendon's players live in Tulla rofl

they all live in inner city Melbourne. Albert Park etc.

they all travel over 20km to get to training.

Why cant Sydney players do the same? Answer? Cause they don't ******* want too
Dylan Grimes lives at Mount Macedon that’s a good 80km plus commute

Pretty sure quite a few Melbourne based players live around Geelong and Torquey on the surf coast
That’s about 100km
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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None of Essendon's players live in Tulla rofl

they all live in inner city Melbourne. Albert Park etc.

they all travel over 20km to get to training. it actually makes your argument even more stupid because Albert Park is considerably MORE expensive than Tullamarine.

Why cant Sydney players do the same? Answer? Cause they don't ******* want too

I could easily find a suburb 20min from the SCG that has the same house price as Albert Park
Oh ok so they get to afford affluent suburbs? Must be lovely for the WAGS.
 

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