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zyzzbruh

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Your reason for the academy is “90% of the talent pool is from Melbourne” that’s just not true

If you want to run with facts and figures get it right or don’t bother

You have such a hard on for father sons as you think it’s some sort of trade off despite the fact you also benefit from the system

I don’t think father sons work with a draft but the main issue I have is with the drafting system as stated
To say everyone 'benefits' from f/s is utter garbage. Ex players can have daughters you know? They can also have sons who have no interest in footy. Clubs can gain a massive advantage from f/s if they so happen to be lucky enough to have a goldmine of father sons whilst others have 0. So how that is in any way equal in that thick head of yours is actually a laugh.
 

zyzzbruh

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I have refuted your reasoning you just fail to ever address that your call of 90% of the talent pool is completely incorrect
Ok it's incorrect, but I'm not trying to prove to you why academies are valid, my initial response was to point out the hypocrisy in your logic. I don't give a toss whether you agree with academies or not lol nor am I trying to prove it to you. So now what's your reason for standing by the f/s despite it being an obvious system of unequal benefit?
 

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Ok it's incorrect, but I'm not trying to prove to you why academies are valid, my initial response was to point out the hypocrisy in your logic. I don't give a toss whether you agree with academies or not lol nor am I trying to prove it to you. So now what's your reason for standing by the f/s despite it being an obvious system of unequal benefit?
Please enlighten me. You're yet to answer any of my questions. Please for the love of God tell me how f/s is a fair and equal system. Answer it logically and you win
Why would I waste my time you have just admitted you are nothing more than an ill-informed troll?

As to your attempt to say the father son system doesn’t benefit everyone equally who cares? Every club has the same opportunity under the rules. When you are ready to stop trolling let me know until then bye bye champ
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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Why would I waste my time you have just admitted you are nothing more than an ill-informed troll?

As to your attempt to say the father son system doesn’t benefit everyone equally who cares? Every club has the same opportunity under the rules. When you are ready to stop trolling let me know until then bye bye champ
Daicos to Norf.
 

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Your fixated on the 90% when it’s about development, which you studiously avoid.
Because once you base your argument of something that’s incorrect it invalidates your argument.

It is about development and I have no issue with the notion of academies but they are simply not compatible with the draft.
 

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Not at all. But you showed yourself to be an Eddie sycophant by parroting his dishonest argument.
COLA was a rort anyone with half a brain can see that. The trade ban was a joke the AFL gave you an advantage tried to get you to give it up and when you wouldn’t punished you. I can see how that saga leaves a sour taste
 

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Why would I waste my time you have just admitted you are nothing more than an ill-informed troll?

As to your attempt to say the father son system doesn’t benefit everyone equally who cares? Every club has the same opportunity under the rules. When you are ready to stop trolling let me know until then bye bye champ
They don't have the same opportunity under the 'rules'. We couldn't get daniher despite him being father son. I wonder why. If you genuinely think the opportunity every club has under the f/s is the same because of a technicality that so happens to be a 'rule' then you're a goose m8. Meanwhile keep wondering why academies exist. I'm sure the league has the exact %'s you're after, and they have deemed academies as fair game. So stiff sh*t for you I guess. Whilst you're left scratching your head as to why you can't grasp the simple logic to make sense of equalisation measures, you can cop us getting a top 5 draft prospect every 2 years whilst we cop Collingwood getting a f/s every 2 years.

Yes, the academies aren't fair for Vic clubs. But that's the point of it.
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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COLA was a rort anyone with half a brain can see that. The trade ban was a joke the AFL gave you an advantage tried to get you to give it up and when you wouldn’t punished you. I can see how that saga leaves a sour taste
We did give it up. We just couldn’t unwind employment contracts in the timeframe they insisted on. It was that simple.

And the cost of living is a matter of mathematical fact. As a factor it is diminished now to what it was as the TPP has increased but it remains a real issue, particularly with the soft cap. The dollar doesn’t go as far in Sydney as it does in Melbourne, and every measurement points to that.
 

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We did give it up. We just couldn’t unwind employment contracts in the timeframe they insisted on. It was that simple.

And the cost of living is a matter of mathematical fact. As a factor it is diminished now to what it was as the TPP has increased but it remains a real issue, particularly with the soft cap. The dollar doesn’t go as far in Sydney as it does in Melbourne, and every measurement points to that.
I agree with the footy department there should be extra money made available. A lot of people who are employees at AFL clubs are on bullshit money.
 
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We did give it up. We just couldn’t unwind employment contracts in the timeframe they insisted on. It was that simple.

And the cost of living is a matter of mathematical fact. As a factor it is diminished now to what it was as the TPP has increased but it remains a real issue, particularly with the soft cap. The dollar doesn’t go as far in Sydney as it does in Melbourne, and every measurement points to that.
Cost of living is also lower in Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth compared to Melbourne so Melbourne based clubs should get more then them as well I guess
 

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Cost of living is also lower in Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth compared to Melbourne so Melbourne based clubs should get more then them as well I guess
Exactly, one of the reasons Tassie keeps getting delayed is they worry about their ability to maintain and keep talent but the cost of living is even lower there
 

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To say everyone 'benefits' from f/s is utter garbage. Ex players can have daughters you know? They can also have sons who have no interest in footy. Clubs can gain a massive advantage from f/s if they so happen to be lucky enough to have a goldmine of father sons whilst others have 0. So how that is in any way equal in that thick head of yours is actually a laugh.
I suppose the main difference is that one has a large element of luck (as you mention above). There is no planning for who will have a son that is talented enough to be afl quality let alone one at the top of the draft. If you bet on a coin toss, someone is going to get heads and some will get tails, hell you might even flip it 15 times and never win... but it is still fair, thats just how luck will have it.

The other is a calculated one that you would have percentages of if you develop x amount of kids you will generate x amount of footballers capable of playing the game. One is measurable, one is not. Sure still a little bit of luck to get the very top end of talent, but the %'s are still there or Sydney wouldn't bother.

Essentially every team has the "chance" to benefit (admittedly GWS and GC not as much Yet), where as with the academies only a selected few can definitely benefit.


In terms of what good does the FS do. It is a good thing for the Father that has sacrificed themselves for their team ( i had a lengthy post outlining this in detail a few pages back). Football is sold as a narrative, FS add to the narratives for fans.
 

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I suppose the main difference is that one has a large element of luck (as you mention above). There is no planning for who will have a son that is talented enough to be afl quality let alone one at the top of the draft. If you bet on a coin toss, someone is going to get heads and some will get tails, hell you might even flip it 15 times and never win... but it is still fair, thats just how luck will have it.

The other is a calculated one that you would have percentages of if you develop x amount of kids you will generate x amount of footballers capable of playing the game. One is measurable, one is not. Sure still a little bit of luck to get the very top end of talent, but the %'s are still there or Sydney wouldn't bother.

Essentially every team has the "chance" to benefit (admittedly GWS and GC not as much Yet), where as with the academies only a selected few can definitely benefit.


In terms of what good does the FS do. It is a good thing for the Father that has sacrificed themselves for their team ( i had a lengthy post outlining this in detail a few pages back). Football is sold as a narrative, FS add to the narratives for fans.
Don’t waste your time he has admitted to being a troll
 

BruceFromBalnarring

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Cost of living is also lower in Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth compared to Melbourne so Melbourne based clubs should get more then them as well I guess
Possibly. But I’m not arguing for it’s continuation, certainly not for the top end players. I’m arguing for its justification when it was in place.

Geelong should have half the cap.😉
 

zyzzbruh

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I suppose the main difference is that one has a large element of luck (as you mention above). There is no planning for who will have a son that is talented enough to be afl quality let alone one at the top of the draft. If you bet on a coin toss, someone is going to get heads and some will get tails, hell you might even flip it 15 times and never win... but it is still fair, thats just how luck will have it.

The other is a calculated one that you would have percentages of if you develop x amount of kids you will generate x amount of footballers capable of playing the game. One is measurable, one is not. Sure still a little bit of luck to get the very top end of talent, but the %'s are still there or Sydney wouldn't bother.

Essentially every team has the "chance" to benefit (admittedly GWS and GC not as much Yet), where as with the academies only a selected few can definitely benefit.


In terms of what good does the FS do. It is a good thing for the Father that has sacrificed themselves for their team ( i had a lengthy post outlining this in detail a few pages back). Football is sold as a narrative, FS add to the narratives for fans.
And what good do the academies do? Equalsation for every other benefit VIC clubs have over us. It's fair, and the fact that it exists proves it.

And with the whole narrative thing. That means the AFL is rolling the dice where a team can end up massive winners with f/s and others don't get a sniff for what? A narrative? Is that it? That's a bit of a wild spanner in the works if you ask me and asking for trouble. Atleast you know what you're getting with the academies, and the reason why it has been implemented is clear and logical.
 

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