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Sydney Swans pushing AFL for a 3 Grand Final series : Caroline Wilson 5aa
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It's not a simple as you think.
For starters, the VFL/AFL own the club names and logos.
Secondly, where do most of the talent come from?
Thirdly, how are you going to get said talent, from a draft, or are you going to just bid for them?
The only way a national comp was ever going to start, is exactly how it started.
Was not my hypothetical, the talent still would end up going to the national league.
Vic clubs are what they today because the game went national, can we please not over play what they were. 2018 Collingwood membership is 80k plus, in 1984 it was 16k. Collingwood was a big club in a suburban comp, yes they may of been known Australia wide. In fact Collingwood, Carlton and Richmond had a foot print outside of Victoria but the rest no one had really heard of until the late 70’s.
You don’t have to agree, second tier sport is not watched in Australia. If not all clubs from the VFL had of been included then the clubs that were would still be followed in huge numbers. The ones that got left behind would of suffered the same fate as the WA and SA clubs.
Very difficult to have a hypothetical conversation unless you are prepared to talk about your club in 1984-1985 when talk of the game going national got serious. Trying to compare Collingwood the club in 2018 to Collingwood the club mid 80’s is like comparing Manchester United with Halifax as clubs.
As I said to carringbush mate the hypothetical was in the mid 1980,s the VFL wouldn’t of known what owning a club logo meant back then.
You still seem to think it's really simple.
The VFL would just reintroduce the under 19 comp.
I am just wondering how the talent ends up in a national league, do they draft them or bid?
Remember, the VFL would still be the strongest league and would have more following it, so i don't think they are just going to jump over.
Not really.
Membership numbers are a sign of clubs actively looking to get a set of people to market and sell things to.
Less than 35% of club memberships in 2018 were the standard ‘home’ membership, the equivalent of the seasons ticket back in 1984.
Collingwood in 2018 to Collingwood in the 80s, is just like comparing ManU of 2018 to ManU of the 80s....ManU was hardly a juggernaut in the 80s in the English first division.
But come global TV $ and expansion of Premier League, they flourished and are now a global juggernaut.
You can’t change how AFL evolved, it is the VFL with a few add on teams...
On the rare occasion that there is a replay, how does the second game compare the following week as an “event”?
I'm not comparing clubs now to then, I'm merely stating that if now we went back to a vfl and have a national comp it is clear where the bulk of the market would lie..............Very highly likely that the vfl would be most attended, watched and participated league in the land.
Disagree with that all you will but it's hard to argue with the population numbers.
As far as your hypothetical of not all clubs going into the national comp, why do you think that did not happen? Probably because now we'd have a large chunk of paying fan base not there.
As far as wafl and sanfl clubs well they're still there aren't they, if I am correct can't say the same for south melbourne and Fitzroy don't even play in the vfl - if I am correct they're vafa. Most of their support has gone from the national comp and some I'd argue from the game altogether
Whichever way you boil it down and dissect it, Vic is the largest Australian football market and always has been. Fact of life.
Well that it IS how it is run after all......
This is news to you?
The last one had 96k only, unless you're a Collingwood supporter it had less "impact" given the one sided result and the fact that there was a 2nd championship decider.
How was the experience viewed as a neutral watching from home? I may be wrong but I’m envisioning Grand Final Day as being a national event in Australia, similar to how Super Bowl Sunday is almost a national holiday in the US (is that way off base?)
With that in mind I’m trying to imagine what happens when ther is no result, and a replay is required. As an NFL fan, I would love that if I was a neutral (more football next week!), but I’m sure the “pomp and circumstance” would be absent (the hoopla, the big name entertainment, etc). Ie, hardcore fans would be fine with it, but it wouldn’t be a huge event with more casual fans.
So just kind of curious what the “feel” is like when this happens in AFL. Thanks in advance.
Just realized I assumed I was responding to a neutral supporter watching from home, when he/she is a Collingwood fan and the most recent occurence involved the Pies. My apologies, in assuming you were a neutral- and watching from home. For all I know you were at the MCG (hope you were mate).
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It would be a lot more fun for fans if we split into five-state AFL and the VFL. Yes, it'd be a financial disaster, so is never going to happen but aside from the money, think of how much joy we would get out of it. VFL clubs will achieve their heart's desire of playing each other at the MCG while the other clubs can create a national league without having to pacify the Melbourne clubs.
Draft and trade periods would be a lot more interesting with the two leagues trying to poach each other's players. There'll be a playoff between the leagues at the end of the year - or maybe best of three? VFL can keep the X league, the goal review and the protected zone.
Fun hey.
VFL vs the rest is the traditional divide in footy and is at the heart of a lot of the current disagreement. We'd all enjoy the game a lot more if we went with it instead of trying to smooth over it.
Draft and trade periods would be a lot more interesting with the two leagues trying to poach each other's players. There'll be a playoff between the leagues at the end of the year - or maybe best of three? VFL can keep the X league, the goal review and the protected zone.
Fun hey.
VFL vs the rest is the traditional divide in footy and is at the heart of a lot of the current disagreement. We'd all enjoy the game a lot more if we went with it instead of trying to smooth over it.
I’m not posting as a neutral but, as a supporter of the team that ended up winning 2010, I’d suggest that the “feel” wasn’t quite the same for the replay. It was interesting given that the match was billed as the “Grand Final for the people” given that more tickets were able to be sold to club members rather than corporates.
I think what you’re imagining is pretty spot-on though. AFL Grand Final day is huge everywhere in Australia except for perhaps New South Wales and Queensland, where the NRL Grand Final fills that role (used to be played a week later but is now the day after the AFL GF). The order of the day is generally mates and/or family around for a BBQ and beers, kick the footy at half-time, leftover BBQ and beers after the match (and maybe head out into town later on). The Replay certainly didn’t quite have the same “pomp and circumstance” as you mentioned (at least in the build-up to the game).
In saying this, in VFL/AFL history, there have only been 3 drawn Grand Finals. These occurred in 1948 (I doubt many, if any, posting here can tell us about it), 1977 and 2010 (the final draw). It’s hard to make a judgement based off such a small sample size. It also probably doesn’t help that all the GF Replays appear to have been pretty one-sided, not going close to capturing the atmosphere that comes with a drawn GF, nor are they remembered as fondly. If the 2010 Replay was close then I wouldn’t be surprised if they never abolished the GF Replay though.
All good, apologies not required. Unfortunately I wasn't there I was watching from the Paddington Ale house in Mt. Hawthorn.
I was just rapt we won a flag, I've only seen 2 wins from 11 attempts - it's getting a bit thin.
I'm not so certain, I'm sure the vfl would stand alone and would have no issues financially generally speaking. As far as a national comp certainly the SA and WA teams would not have a money issue add Syd, they have enough supporter base to sustain itself and maybe even Bris
That'd be just another SOO, and teams would avoid using their best players to avoid injury etc.
Why is so important to "be better than the Vics"?, this has been going on before the national inception too. Was it because the game was born in Vic? Is it because it has always had the most participants and fan base?
I'll never understand why it's so important.
Good info, thanks. I didn’t realize they had done away with replays.
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You've got it pretty much exactly.
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Without the introduction of the non-Vic clubs the VFL would have become a comp of a few teams - number would have gone bankrupt. TV rights that covered all states saved them together with cash injection from the non-Vic clubs - undeniable facts.
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Difference - Super Bowl is shared and it becomes a week long event in the city. Had the pleasure of going to the Pats vs Seahawks SB in Phoenix 2015. Have been to a number of AFL GFs and frankly the Super Bowl and the festivities s**t all over the AFL.
telsor
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Apart from the tiny detail about how this isn't true, it'd be really compelling.
telsor
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Of course they do...The US is what, 14 times bigger than Australia? You'd kind of expect their big events to be significantly bigger.
