Sydney v St Kilda

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Our recent history against the Swans is interesting if not surprising:

We seem to win or draw our home games, they tend to win their home matches at the SCG (except out last heroic appearance there) and at the G we won our 2004 semifinal against them, and in 2005 the Swans ran away with it in the last quarter in the prelim of their premiership year.

Code:
Grnd Pl W  L  D  First Last  W-L Seq 
MCG  2  1  1  0  2004  2005  WL 
SCG  5  1  4  0  2001  2006  LLLLW 
TD   4  3  0  1  2001  2007  WDWW
This is our first meeting at the Telstra Stadium.

Code:
 Year Rd  Team      Score         Opponent Score    Gnd  Result Marg 
 2007  7  St Kilda 15. 7  (97) vs Sydney 11. 5  (71) TD  [B]WON 26[/B] 
 2006 11  St Kilda  7.10  (52) vs Sydney  7. 8  (50) SCG [B]WON 2[/B] 
 2005 1PF St Kilda  9.11  (65) vs Sydney 15. 6  (96) MCG [COLOR="Red"]Lost -31[/COLOR] 
 2005 10  St Kilda 15.11 (101) vs Sydney  8.10  (58) TD  [B]WON 43[/B] 
 2004 1SF St Kilda 16.11 (107) vs Sydney  8. 8  (56) MCG [B]WON 51[/B] 
 2004 11  St Kilda 11.10  (76) vs Sydney 17.10 (112) SCG [COLOR="red"]Lost -36[/COLOR] 
 2003 15  St Kilda  9. 7  (61) vs Sydney 15.22 (112) SCG [COLOR="red"]Lost -51[/COLOR] 
 2002 20  St Kilda 12. 8  (80) vs Sydney 12.15  (87) SCG [COLOR="red"]Lost -7[/COLOR] 
 2002  5  St Kilda  8. 8  (56) vs Sydney  8. 8  (56) TD  Drawn 0 
 2001 21  St Kilda  8. 7  (55) vs Sydney 21.16 (142) SCG [COLOR="red"]Lost -87[/COLOR]
 2001  6  St Kilda 18.12 (120) vs Sydney 14.10  (94) TD  [B]WON 26[/B]
 

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SYDNEY v ST KILDA
Saturday, 7:15pm AEST, Telstra Stadium

SYDNEY
B: Kennelly, Barry, Malceski
HB: Bevan, Bolton, Mathews
C: Ablett, Kirk, Buchanan
HF: R.O'Keefe, O'Loughlin, McVeigh
F: Schneider, Hall, Davis
FOLL: Jolly, J.Bolton, Goodes

I/C: Everitt, Fosdike, Richards, Roberts-Thomson
EM: Schmidt, Dempster, Brennan

IN: Barry, Roberts-Thomson
OUT: Brennan, Grundy

ST KILDA
B: Maguire, Hudghton, L.Fisher
HB: Gram, S.Fisher, Baker
C: Harvey, Hayes, Montagna
HF: C.Jones, Riewoldt, X.Clarke
F: Milne, Gehrig, Koschitzke
FOLL: Rix, Dal Santo, Ball

I/C: Attard, Blake, Fiora, Gilbert
EM: Birss, M.Clarke, R.Clarke

IN: Ball, Rix
OUT: Birss, M.Clarke

Field umpires: Donlon, McLaren, McInerney
 

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Very interesting to note on those stats StKildonan that almost all St Kilda wins were early season games and Sydney wins were after round 15.

This is consistent with our gradual form build-up over the last 3 to 4 years later in a season.

It is going to be real interesting to see if Sydney can once again click into overdrive in the next couple of weeks.

DST
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Two suprises

1) Rix gets ahead of M.Clarke
2) Clinton Jones doesn't get dropped (didn't appear to be at AFL standard last week)

Someone like Barry Brooks should feel really annoyed. I'm not a fan of him, but he has displayed good VFL form and doesn't get another go. He could dominate VFL and still not be considered for selection.
 

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Two suprises

1) Rix gets ahead of M.Clarke
2) Clinton Jones doesn't get dropped (didn't appear to be at AFL standard last week)

Someone like Barry Brooks should feel really annoyed. I'm not a fan of him, but he has displayed good VFL form and doesn't get another go. He could dominate VFL and still not be considered for selection.
Mmmm. Surprised they didn't take a tap ruckman in against Spider and Jolly. Re Jones, I didn't see last week's game (thankfully) but he's very hard at it and very quick and they probably figured it's better to let him keep his place and work back into form.
 

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Very interesting to note on those stats StKildonan that almost all St Kilda wins were early season games and Sydney wins were after round 15.

This is consistent with our gradual form build-up over the last 3 to 4 years later in a season.

It is going to be real interesting to see if Sydney can once again click into overdrive in the next couple of weeks.

DST
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Shit :( We've never played at Telstra either, it'll be interesting to see how we adapt to the ground.
 

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Anybody going up for the game?

It will be the 3rd time I've been to Telstra Stadium. Both have been memorable occasions for different reasons. The Australia Uruguay World Cup Qualifier was incredible and the 2006 NRL Grand Final not so good.

Ball for Birss was the obvious selection (although Jones failed to impress last week as Chris suggested) but I'm surprised to see Clarke dropped for Rix. For all his effort I don't see Rixy hurting the Swans and while he will work his arse off he doesn't have the ability to hurt the opposition with his ability to find a teammate like Clarke can.

The Swans don't seem to perform too well at the ground while we are an unknown quantity there. We've been really disappointing the last couple of weeks and will have to lift a massive amount to give the Swans a run for their money. They have a very difficult draw to come so the game is a big one for them. I'm not too confident but when you look at last week we had so many of our better players down (Dal Santo, Harvey, Montagna, Gehrig, etc) so we have a big amount of improvement in us.

Time to stand up boys.
 

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Very interesting to note on those stats StKildonan that almost all St Kilda wins were early season games and Sydney wins were after round 15.

This is consistent with our gradual form build-up over the last 3 to 4 years later in a season.
I don't see it quite that way...

2004 Swans end the Saints "streak" of 10 wins and then we knock you out of finals
2005 Saints a comfortable win midseason and are injury compromised in the final
2006 100% record to the Saints
2007 100% record to the Saints
 

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I don't see it quite that way...

2004 Swans end the Saints "streak" of 10 wins and then we knock you out of finals
2005 Saints a comfortable win midseason and are injury compromised in the final
2006 100% record to the Saints
2007 100% record to the Saints
If you don't include the draw we have played 10 times since 2001, with the form line being Sydney 4 and 1 from round 15, with 1 and 4 before round 15.

So yes the form line shows that if and when we do meet later in the year the Swans are in better shape.

DST
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Telstra Stadium is regarded as a big ground, but actually it's not. According to a post on saintsational.com, it's 160M x 118, whereas TD is 159.5 x 128. So, in length, near enough to TD, just a bit narrower. I'm not sure if that helps us or not, but it busts the myth about TS being a large ground.
 

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Should be an interesting match, plenty of good match ups on paper. I just wonder what sort of game it will be, both teams can play ugly if their in the mood.

One thing I will be looking for is Leo Barry molesting Gehrig at every contest. Most of the time it goes unpunished, I think because of the size difference they cut Leo some slack.
 

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Should be an interesting match, plenty of good match ups on paper. I just wonder what sort of game it will be, both teams can play ugly if their in the mood.

One thing I will be looking for is Leo Barry molesting Gehrig at every contest. Most of the time it goes unpunished, I think because of the size difference they cut Leo some slack.
Leo Barry won't play.
 

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The Swans don't seem to perform too well at the ground.
That's a bit of a myth. This season we're 0-2 but over the past three seasons we've played there 10 times, I think (3 h&a each year plus the PF last year against Freo) for an 8-2 record. Both of the losses were against Collingwood, one a very close game and another in the pouring rain where the Swans didn't look in the least bit switched on.

It's not a perfect run but is better than our SCG record over the same period.
 

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The ground won't affect the result. TS is similar to TD and so the dimensions won't bother us too much, but the fact that it is up there will. Sydney, on the other hand, will be more worried about the ground size as they are used to the SCG which is much smaller in length.
 
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The Collingwood loss gives the Saints a greater chance of making the eight, but it also opens the door for the Swans to snatch a top 4 spot.

This is a crucial match for both clubs, but is season defining particularly for the Saints. A loss here virtually ends all hope of September action, whilst a win makes it a very real likelihood !

The Swans can afford a loss, but they would be "on-wood" after that. They are bitter at the loss to a better tackling St Kilda outfit in their last meeting and will be out to re-establish their believed superiority in that aspect of play - something that has been almost fundamental to their style of play.

Lets hope that a backs-against-the-walls Saints outfit will be more desperate than the Swans. We have not been desperate enough in many matches this year, but when we tackle fiercely like we did last time we played the Swans, the Saints look to be a very good outfit. Good enough to go all the way if we can maintain that intensity.
 
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August 11, 2007

// Snip irrelevent stuff //

■Sydney coach Paul Roos says co-captain Leo Barry is still in doubt for tonight's crucial match against St Kilda at Telstra Stadium.

The Swans full-back, who has missed the past fortnight with a hamstring injury, has been named to make his return against the Saints.

But following an unsatisfactory training performance on Thursday night, Roos conceded Barry was no certainty.

"We've still got some doubt on Leo, he couldn't do as much as we would have liked last night," Roos said. "We'll wait until tomorrow because he's a quality player and give him every chance to play."

Sydney has also named tall defender Lewis Roberts-Thomson, who will make his 2007 debut after recovering from a foot injury that has kept him out of action since last year's grand final loss to West Coast.

St Kilda coach Ross Lyon said his players knew their season was on the line tonight.

"I haven't had to highlight to the players the importance of this game — they know there is a finals opportunity here and they can't afford to lose," Lyon said.

Lyon got the better of his former mentor when the Saints beat the Swans by 26 points in round seven.

Roos is expecting his defenders to have their hands full lining up against the potent St Kilda forward line that includes Nick Riewoldt and Fraser Gehrig.

"We know Nick's a really good player … they've got two quality forwards in Riewoldt and Gehrig and Milne has kicked some goals, too," Roos said.

"So the match-ups down there are obviously important and it will be interesting to see who goes on who.

"I think Nick could have a good game and we could still win and Fraser could play well and we could still win. But if we don't get a good contribution from 22 players, then we know we are not going to win."
 

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I am not confident at all going into this game. The selections were horrible IMO and could end up losing us the game. We have a side with poor footskills, very few creative players and too many who just don't get enough of the ball.

All of these players often end with less than 10 disposals
Attard
Rix
Jones
Hudghton
Gehrig
Maguire

While these guys sometimes struggle to get their hands on the ball
L.Fisher
Baker
X.Clarke
Milne
Blake

That is half the side who may very well end up with less than 10 disposals, and that just leaves too much to too few. We can't count on Dal, Harvs, Lenny, Ball and Joey to get 30 disposals every week. Birss had been providing some relief and Matt Clarke was having a bit of an influence around the ground. Now we have Rix, who has had more than 10 disposals once in his career, Attard who averages 3 kicks per game and Jones who might as well not touch the footy because he'll turn it over.

In the end I think we'll just end up having too many passengers tonight. Temas like West Coast and Geelong very rarely have more than 3 players who touch the ball less than 10 times. They get contributions from every player who takes the field.

Last week we had 8 players with less than 10 disposals - Draw
Round 18 we had 3 - Comfortable win
Round 17 we had 3 - Comfortable win
Round 16 we had 6 - Close win
Round 15 we had 6 - Narrow loss
Round 14 we had 4 - 3 goal win
Round 13 we had 5 - Poor loss
Round 12 we had 8 - Shocking loss
Round 11 we had 7 - Shocking loss
...etc

It shows that when our bottom 6 players step up and actually make a contribution rather than just playing half a game for 6 disposals, we win. When they do nothing of note, we lose. Obviously this is one of many factors, but it has a huge impact on our game and I don't think the bottom 6 in the team we have selected is good enough to help us over the line.
 
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The players must have been selected to perform specific tasks.
I am disappointed in some regards (in particular the failure to put big Barry Brooks up forward for a whole match, and also Ferguson in on a back flank/pocket), but I do understand that the coach and the selection panel are putting forward the players that they believe can best do the job each week.
 
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SYDNEY v ST KILDA
Saturday, 7:15pm AEST, Telstra Stadium

SYDNEY
B: Kennelly, Richards, Malceski
HB: Bevan, Bolton, Mathews
C: Ablett, Kirk, Buchanan
HF: R.O'Keefe, O'Loughlin, McVeigh
F: Schneider, Hall, Davis
FOLL: Jolly, J.Bolton, Goodes

I/C: Everitt, Fosdike, Brennan, Schmidt
EM: Schmidt, Dempster, Brennan

IN: Schmidt (Barry and Roberts-Thompson = late omissions)
OUT: Grundy

ST KILDA
B: Maguire, Hudghton, L.Fisher
HB: Gram, S.Fisher, Baker
C: Harvey, Hayes, Montagna
HF: C.Jones, Riewoldt, X.Clarke
F: Milne, Gehrig, Koschitzke
FOLL: Rix, Dal Santo, Ball

I/C: Attard, Blake, Fiora, Gilbert
EM: Birss, M.Clarke, R.Clarke

IN: Ball, Rix
OUT: Birss, M.Clarke

Field umpires: Donlon, McLaren, McInerney
 

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We are playing alright.. should be leading but anyway.

I hate it how when we mark it,we handball a player that has nothing to kick to. soo annoying! and Clarkes missing easy ones!!!
 
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