Sydney v St Kilda

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#51
I hated the fact that we were not accountable under GT and we had too many goals kicked on us.

Now we cant kick enough goals !!! .. somewhere there has to be a happy medium. Lyon doesnt seem the sort of coach to take a risk. Sometimes it is exactly what is needed.
Statistics say a lot:

Average score per game:

2007 - for: 81.47 / against: 86.68 (first 19 games)

2006 - for: 93.05 / against: 79.64 (excl. finals)

2005 - for: 109.41 / against: 82.09 (excl. finals)

2004 - for: 111.05 / against: 86.77 (excl. finals)

We obviously scored more goals between 2004 and 2006 - but we also had less goals kicked against us !

Our scoring average this year is just marginally higher than that of 2002 (15th after Rd 22) and otherwise the worst of the last ten years !

I agree with StKildonan that the Sydney style is boring to watch, but our current results aren't really spectacular either ! It appears incomprehensible and almost ridiculous to score an average of less than 82 per game with Riewoldt, Gehrig, Koschitzke and Milne as (potential) forwards !
 

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#52
I disagree - he is clearly talented but has nowhere near the fitness level required for the level he is playing at. He needs to learn what work ethic truly means. He has to maintain his fitness this year and carry it into next season - putting in a massive preseason. His skills aren't done justice because of his lack of physical strength and especially fitness.
I understand your point. However, after seven seasons, he should already understand what work ethic really is. If he can't run a full game out, he should be sent back to casey.(There are players there putting their hand up for selection)

I saw some really poor decision making and poor kicking for goal. Not sure being at full fitness will solve these.
 

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#53
.I want to watch entertaining football - not this junk.
Junk yeh no worries,thats why we have been in the last 2 grannies cant say the same for the fantastic style of play the Saints use.So the last to grannies have been shite to watch,i reckon you've been out in the sun to much and its fried your brain because they were tuff hard games.Each team doesn't need to kick 100+ points for it to be an entertaining game.IMO your fellow supporters would take the Swans style of play any day if it would guarantee 2 cracks at the silverware.
 

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#54
Statistics say a lot:

Average score per game:

2007 - for: 81.47 / against: 86.68 (first 19 games)

2006 - for: 93.05 / against: 79.64 (excl. finals)

2005 - for: 109.41 / against: 82.09 (excl. finals)

2004 - for: 111.05 / against: 86.77 (excl. finals)

We obviously scored more goals between 2004 and 2006 - but we also had less goals kicked against us !

Our scoring average this year is just marginally higher than that of 2002 (15th after Rd 22) and otherwise the worst of the last ten years !

I agree with StKildonan that the Sydney style is boring to watch, but our current results aren't really spectacular either ! It appears incomprehensible and almost ridiculous to score an average of less than 82 per game with Riewoldt, Gehrig, Koschitzke and Milne as (potential) forwards !
Excellent point, our backline was vastly under rated in the past. I think we had the second best defence one year? Or maybe that was at half season.

However the style change is seen as a finals winning style. We won a few and could have won some more, so it was not that broken.

In any regard, you can not win finals without making it, so time will tell on this style of play.
 

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#55
You've beaten us once in the last five meetings before tonight and on that occasion we were heavily compromised by injury. We always have played free flowing attacking football. We beat you on skill and flair.

You beat us tonight on exactly the opposite. You beat us on possession and ugly knock it out of bounds football.

I lament that you won using those tactics, but it is partly due to our own approach. Our coach was outsmarted by yours. We played your style of football and we played it poorer than you did. It was not smart. It was not pretty. In fact it was ugly.

What scares me is that if this goes on I may lose my passion for this game.

I want to watch entertaining football - not this junk.
I agree with StKildonan I want to watch a game of football, not something that is morphed between League & AFL.

That game was a complete shocker, Swans fans don't care about the crap they are served up each week, they just want to win.

Has ANYONE ever seen a Mexican wave at the football before? I couldn;t stop laughing when the crowd started doing a mexican wave ....

If I continue to watch such crap served up, I along with a lot of people are just going to stop watching .
 

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I agree with StKildonan I want to watch a game of football, not something that is morphed between League & AFL.

That game was a complete shocker, Swans fans don't care about the crap they are served up each week, they just want to win.

Has ANYONE ever seen a Mexican wave at the football before? I couldn;t stop laughing when the crowd started doing a mexican wave ....

If I continue to watch such crap served up, I along with a lot of people are just going to stop watching .
eeerrr Ross Lyon is the man who brought the midfield flood to sydney. He now uses it on a weekly basis at the Saints. But hey the saionts merely get numbers back right?

Some of the inane comments by saints fans are incredible in this thread. No wonder you never do anything and have been a mediocre club for many seasons to come. i actually feel for Ross Lyon having to go backwards after being in such a professional set up.

And what is wrong with winning at all cost? I didn't know its become such a huge issue...i guess tanking is an accepted part of football in Victoria atm so winning at all costs doesn't matter.

Such a mediocre culture at St Kilda.

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ha ha - ok lets assume you go for the swans (although I can see why you wouldn't publicly admit that).

I never said who was responsible for the flood, I said that it sucks - that sydney supporters don't give a rats how they win. I for one, have not enjoyed watching St kilda play this year.

You know, it's really funny that a club that had a 75 year gap in flags & has relocated because it couldn't survive is talking about mediocrity.
 

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ha ha - ok lets assume you go for the swans (although I can see why you wouldn't publicly admit that).

I never said who was responsible for the flood, I said that it sucks - that sydney supporters don't give a rats how they win. I for one, have not enjoyed watching St kilda play this year.

You know, it's really funny that a club that had a 75 year gap in flags & has relocated because it couldn't survive is talking about mediocrity.
I am a swans fan.

We may have been mediocre for 60 of those years, but you can't fault us in the past 11 season. We have been consistent and have only missed out on the finals once and that was the year that we swapped Eade with Roos.

We are a shadow of the crap club we were once and we are the strongest we have been both on field and off field and have been for a long time now. I don't even remember the last time we were as crap as your rabble has been this year and in the past 11 years. Perfect example, you sack a coach who got you into the grand final the year before just cause some of the poor little players couldn't handle his aggressive approach to coaching.

And i still don't understand what is wrong at winning at all costs? Maybe if your club took this culture on board you wouldn't just have one single flag to show for all those years. What do you think eh?

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#59
What do we think? We think you are a troll, so piss off back to habourside.

No doubt your mob deserved the win on Saturday night, and I'm not one lamenting about the gamestyle (I agree that winning form is good form, and bugger the purists) but I'd also prefer to watch a higher scoring entertaining spectacle rather than a floodfest, And both Sydney and St Kilda flood, let's not kid ourselves here. Most teams do now.

But you're in no position to toss hand grenades about "culture". You've won exactly the same number of premierships in the past 50 years as us ... one. And we haven't had the handouts and "cost of living" salary cap special deals that allowed your mob to pinch your last 2 power forwards from us.

So well done for the win, now toddle off back to your own board.
 

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#60
Okay, so it's troll, but let's give the guy a decent answer to his question - what's so wrong with just winning at all costs?

Here you go. The joy of winning comes, sir, at the END of the game, and is usually a state of enjoyment that's well, a big build up, then big intense moment, then relief. The intense moment is just that, a moment - five minutes. If it lasts at all afterwards, it's because of the build up - how the game was actually played out. Now, marry this with the fact that the game itself should be entertaining - it is not just a means to an end (winning), it is meant to be entertainment in and of itself - the drama of a player breaking a tackle, bouncing the ball three times as he charges into the 50m arc, he passes, receives a pass back, he kicks above the goal posts, we all wait, hush, then the goal ump pokes both fingers out, and the roar of the crowd. A game of footy isn't just one game, it's the collection of hundreds of little ones, little stories we love when we see them, and relish and remember for years afterwards. That's why watching two hours of footy is like watching a good two-hour movie.

But if all that the little games become are "stoppage, scrambled kick, stoppage" and "kick to loose players FOREVER on the backline" that's bad for three reasons. Firstly, the two hours of actually watching the game becomes dull - you might as well just look up the final score in the newspaper (if you don't believe me, compare NRL and AFL game attendances). And secondly, the big intense joy at victory is inherently linked to the buildup - lousy games leave a sour taste in the mouth. Finally, you have the flag, but Sydney doesn't have the stories. My dad still can tell me heaps of little stories from the Jeans era, and leave a glow as good as the one that comes from him telling me about winning the flag in 66. When you tell your kids about these "glorious" 11 years, all you'll be able to do is tell them where you finished in the ladder, and how many flags you won. If GT had been allowed to keep going, we'd tell stories of Thomas' team, of flow, drama, innovation... and a flag or two. When Lyon's coached at his best this year is when he's remembered what GT knew, and lived - footy is really an entertainment business, not a stat. When he's forgotten this and played it safe and defensive, we've lost anyway.

Long post, but I hope it's worthwhile. StKildonian, I understand exactly where you're coming from...
 

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#61
You are very correct, unfortunately.

I was so dimsayed at a game last year, against Richmond, which we won, that I did not really care about the result, I just wanted it to be over.

I am not sure how I would feel about that if we won a premiership though. But one thing is for sure, only one team a year can win a premiership, for the others it is all about the journey, and how entertaining it was.
 

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