Sydney - What's going on with them?

[Some Idiot]

I think they've lost their hard edge. The physicality isn't the same as previous years from their role players which leaves them reliant on Heeney and Warner brilliance to win games. Their forward line wasn't great last year but its been further exposed with injury and players out of form.

 

[Golumless]

They look like a club that's opened the "review the shit out of a grand final loss" box. Never goes well.

 

[dmc333]

Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

's disposal efficiency must run sub 50% through a season.

Absolute butcher for a supposed million dollar player.

 

[RUNVS]

Swans fans have been saying it for years but we really really lack key defenders, key forwards and big bodied inside mids. Despite these obvious issues we never seem to use our best draft picks on addressing these issues so it was like the Swans coaching staff didn't see the obvious issue.

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

Hate to see what they’ve done to Tay Adams.

He still had good footy in him when he moved to Sydney, career now looks done.

He wouldn’t be getting a game at Collingwood to be honest.

After the 22 grand final we should have made a play for Jacob Hopper, we needed (and still do ) a big bodied mid, but we waited a year and got Tay instead.

 

[fnerd]

Swans fans have been saying it for years but we really really lack key defenders, key forwards and big bodied inside mids. Despite these obvious issues we never seem to use our best draft picks on addressing these issues so it was like the Swans coaching staff didn't see the obvious issue.

Your decision to draft a small fwd instead of one the decent kpfs still on the Board at the time (Armstrong, Whitlock x 2, shanahan) was mind boggling, north Melbourne like list management

 

[kid_a]

+New coach/new style

+GF belting hangover

+Relying on too few


Last year their minor premiership was the biggest "fools gold" ever.

They burst out of the blocks early in the season and opened up a sizeable gap on top. They got by winning about half those games only playing intense and brilliant bursts of 1.5-2.5 quarters of footy.
They peaked too early also.

The swans last dozen games of 2024 saw them have a win-loss record of 6-6.

They were well passed their best by the time the finals started, by contrast the lions won 11 of their last 13 games of 2024.
So the ladder positions were very misleading.

 

[Mr Meow]

Your decision to draft a small fwd instead of one the decent kpfs still on the Board at the time (Armstrong, Whitlock x 2, shanahan) was mind boggling, north Melbourne like list management

They've invested time and energy into McDonald, McLean and Amartey though.

 

[RUNVS]

Your decision to draft a small fwd instead of one the decent kpfs still on the Board at the time (Armstrong, Whitlock x 2, shanahan) was mind boggling, north Melbourne like list management

Agreed. Go back to the live draft chat on the Swans board for 2024 and we were all so excepted at all the KP players still available at our pick.

 

[RUNVS]

They've invested time and energy into McDonald, McLean and Amartey though.

Even so, we desperate need a key defender and big bodied inside mid that we ignored too.

 

[Mr Meow]

Even so, we desperate need a key defender and big bodied inside mid that we ignored too.

Yeah those are the areas I was thinking of.

It's really hard once you've drafted a few key forwards as they take time and you can't just keep loading up on them. Maybe if they had offloaded McDonald a year or two ago they could've chosen a replacement.

 

[RUNVS]

Yeah those are the areas I was thinking of.

It's really hard once you've drafted a few key forwards as they take time and you can't just keep loading up on them. Maybe if they had offloaded McDonald a year or two ago they could've chosen a replacement.

Fellow Swans fans think it is insane too. Even ignoring the fact our first round selections have not panned out too well recently, just focusing on the positions those players play it shows a recruitment staff or coaching staff that seems completely devoid from reality, not getting what positions that actually need focusing on.

 

[Zevon]

Sydney is a very expensive place to live. Perhaps we need some kind of allowance in order to attract players to such an expensive city?? We could call it a “Cost of Attracting Players to Sydney Allowance” (COAPTSA).

Pretty sure the good folk of Victoria would be right on board. Good for the game.

 

[fnerd]

They've invested time and energy into McDonald, McLean and Amartey though.

Yeah sunk cost fallacy.

All 3 of them are no more than B graders at their best.

Getting one of th either kpfs through th door may have allowed them to trial amarty or Lmac back moving fwd

 

[MF]

Yeah sunk cost fallacy.

All 3 of them are no more than B graders at their best.

Getting one of th either kpfs through th door may have allowed them to trial amarty or Lmac back moving fwd

Yeah, either Amartey or McDonald will be fine as 2nd or 3rd string forwards but we need 1 quality tall forward down there who can actually take a contested mark and take the pressure off.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah, either Amartey or McDonald will be fine as 2nd or 3rd string forwards but we need 1 quality tall forward down there who can actually take a contested mark and take the pressure off.

Warner for Allen and picks? Ha.

 

[Andyy]

They're shit, that's all.

Been good for a long time, finally coming down it would seem.

 

[timokane]

The Longmire era over they will bottom out next year.
Same as Carlton dark times are ahead.
Wont be too long when only a couple of hundred go to their games at the SCG and its back to the 1990s.
Downhill from here for the swans and about time too.

 

[fnerd]

Rabble

 

[IamKeyserSoze]

Should be all good now. Adelaide have apologised for on of their players calling them a rabble.

 

[Obeanie1]

Perennial finalists for the last 24 years and destined to miss finals this year

What is happening at the Swans?

All above the shoulders.

PTSD from the GF loss

What that means short to mid term who knows.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Lost the makings of a varsity athlete.

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

Yeah sunk cost fallacy.

All 3 of them are no more than B graders at their best.

Getting one of th either kpfs through th door may have allowed them to trial amarty or Lmac back moving fwd

You could say the same about McStay, Mihochek and Membrey, none of them are A graders but the Pies system of ball movement makes them play their role better.

Our ball movement is terrible

Our positioning, connection and shape is worse.

People who think our forward line is the issue and that getting Curnow or JUH will make us kick higher scores are dead set kidding themselves.

When our mids are running into and looking into our forward 50 and see Taylor Adams with 2 defenders either side of him, as well as a third man up and duly kick it over his head, that tells me our issues are more system based than personnel.

 

[RUNVS]

Said this on the Swans board but it is relevant here too

I standby saying that the Swans problem for quite a long time actually is our engine room. Even a decade ago when we lost big it was always because the midfield became water.

Look at 2014, 2022 and 2024. The players are different but the one thing that was the same in all three Grand Finals was our midfield was smashed. You can't blame the defenders, you can't blame the forwards in those games when the midfield was making it impossible to defend and not giving the forwards any supply. The midfield got bullied in all three Grand Finals.

Now we have greater problems than the midfield right now, our KP stocks at both ends are a bit poor, but it is still our midfield which is the greatest problem. They get bullied far too easily, they let the opposition have it more than we have it ourselves and they don't win clean clearances like they like our opponents do.

Right now the midfield is the problem, and has been the problem for over a decade.

Also our recruiting has been a bit of a joke in terms of identifying holes in our list.

I mean the last three years with our first 3 selections in each draft we have selected

2024 - Small/Medium forward, Medium forward, Half Back
2023 - Ruckman, Medium Midfielder, Tall Defender
2022 - Small Forward, Small Defender, Midfielder

Of those 9 selections maybe 3 filled needs, (the two midfielders and the KPD) but even those 3 were taken with later selections. Our first rounders, going to 2 small forwards and a ruckman shows how much our coaching stuff do not understand our own list needs.

 

[BandF]

The current Swans side is a hard one for me, as with the past couple of decades, even if the Swans were down by plenty, you could never write them off as they seemed to always find a way to kick plenty in a short amount of time. They never seem to ever bottom out and are always around contention. Surely this can't be just a change of longtime coach, and yes, a few senior players are injured, but they look like they're heading down the North and Eagles path, although negatively, with still a half-decent list.