Certified Legendary Thread Sympathy for *essendon - congratulations on '16 Wooden Spoon (RIP The Scales)

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What, like having an extra mil in your salary cap? Please mate, you are the single biggest beneficiary.



Nope, he is another who doesn't get it.
We arent the olympic games, never will be, and don't want to be.

I am strongly against outside people having a go at our indigenous sport.

The Olympics are so far down the pecking order these days and his love for athletics (yep, the 2nd dirties sport in history) often overules any concept of reality he possesses.
What doesn't he get?
 

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What, like having an extra mil in your salary cap? Please mate, you are the single biggest beneficiary.



Nope, he is another who doesn't get it.
We arent the olympic games, never will be, and don't want to be.

I am strongly against outside people having a go at our indigenous sport.

The Olympics are so far down the pecking order these days and his love for athletics (yep, the 2nd dirties sport in history) often overules any concept of reality he possesses.
Outside people? As in WADA?
 

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Look I'm all for hanging shit on Essendon. I tend to do it about their on-field rubbishness and love nothing more than beating them and hate with the fury of 1000 suns losing to them. I also hate what they have done to our club historically. We have every reason to hate them and that is what we do.

But outsiders, who aren't AFL fans or take any and every opportunity to lay the boots into us (as in the sport and by extension our club and our passion) pisses me off no end.

Roy Masters should worry about NRL.

Dave Culvert should worry about the absolute disgrace the IAAF has become or perhaps always been.

And yes, I'm a strong believer that WADA should have no jurisdiction over what we do. NFL, MLB and other sports throughout the world have distanced themselves from this joke of an organisation and we should have too.

He as in clulessbert, thinks all sports are below the Olympics, where as I think the Olympics is shit boring. So by extension, every time he lays the boots in to our sport, it makes me angry as I honestly believe he is simply deflecting from what he should be discussing such as Russian doping and IAAF bribery, a topic he would be worth listening to, should he ever wish to mention it and by virtue of that tarnish whatever career he may have had.
 

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Look I'm all for hanging shit on Essendon. I tend to do it about their on-field rubbishness and love nothing more than beating them and hate with the fury of 1000 suns losing to them. I also hate what they have done to our club historically. We have every reason to hate them and that is what we do.

But outsiders, who aren't AFL fans or take any and every opportunity to lay the boots into us (as in the sport and by extension our club and our passion) pisses me off no end.

Roy Masters should worry about NRL.

Dave Culvert should worry about the absolute disgrace the IAAF has become or perhaps always been.

And yes, I'm a strong believer that WADA should have no jurisdiction over what we do. NFL, MLB and other sports throughout the world have distanced themselves from this joke of an organisation and we should have too.

He as in clulessbert, thinks all sports are below the Olympics, where as I think the Olympics is shit boring. So by extension, every time he lays the boots in to our sport, it makes me angry as I honestly believe he is simply deflecting from what he should be discussing such as Russian doping and IAAF bribery, a topic he would be worth listening to, should he ever wish to mention it and by virtue of that tarnish whatever career he may have had.
There is absolutely no way that the arseclowns at AFL House should be able to bring doping controls in house.
 

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How many traits apply to our beloved *Jimmy?

This is a list of the traits of a Sociopath.

The Hare Psychopathy Checklist

  1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM — The tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.
  2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH — A grossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.
  3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM — An excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.
  4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING — Can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.
  5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS — The use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one’s victims.
  6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT — A lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, cold-hearted, and non-empathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’s victims.
  7. SHALLOW AFFECT — Emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.
  8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY — A lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
  9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE — An intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.
  10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS — Expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
  11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR — A variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.
  12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS — A variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away from home.
  13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS — An inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
  14. IMPULSIVITY — The occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.
  15. IRRESPONSIBILITY — Repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.
  16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS — A failure to accept responsibility for one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.
  17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS — A lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
  18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY — Behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.
  19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE — A revocation of probation or other conditional releases due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.
  20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY — A diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes.The word psychopath can be replaced with the word sociopath throughout this page. The meaning is very similar, if not the same.
Ahhh good memories... i remember the first time i failed the psychopath test, or passed it depending on perspective
 

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And yes, I'm a strong believer that WADA should have no jurisdiction over what we do. NFL, MLB and other sports throughout the world have distanced themselves from this joke of an organisation and we should have too.
While I agree with your sentiments on outsiders, I disagree with this comment entirely. Even more so to use those two as examples which are both pathetic in their drug enforcement regimes because of their self-centred attitudes. Everyone is currently accusing the AFL of being exactly that and in following the examples of these two sports it would make the whole thing even worse.
 

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Look I'm all for hanging shit on Essendon. I tend to do it about their on-field rubbishness and love nothing more than beating them and hate with the fury of 1000 suns losing to them. I also hate what they have done to our club historically. We have every reason to hate them and that is what we do.

But outsiders, who aren't AFL fans or take any and every opportunity to lay the boots into us (as in the sport and by extension our club and our passion) pisses me off no end.

Roy Masters should worry about NRL.

Dave Culvert should worry about the absolute disgrace the IAAF has become or perhaps always been.

And yes, I'm a strong believer that WADA should have no jurisdiction over what we do. NFL, MLB and other sports throughout the world have distanced themselves from this joke of an organisation and we should have too.

He as in clulessbert, thinks all sports are below the Olympics, where as I think the Olympics is shit boring. So by extension, every time he lays the boots in to our sport, it makes me angry as I honestly believe he is simply deflecting from what he should be discussing such as Russian doping and IAAF bribery, a topic he would be worth listening to, should he ever wish to mention it and by virtue of that tarnish whatever career he may have had.
He's been consistent in lambasting the nature and cases of individual and team based drug cheats in athletics.

I can't see that any aspects of our game, other than systematic drug cheating and a compromised central administration, have been threatened by 'outsiders'.
 

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I'm thinking I should check each page to see if Arjen posted ...
You won't find anything... I have stayed out of this thread until the final decision was made. Its not my thing.

My hatred is historically based, not because of this drugs crap.

Even more so to use those two as examples which are both pathetic in their drug enforcement regimes because of their self-centred attitudes. Everyone is currently accusing the AFL of being exactly that and in following the examples of these two sports it would make the whole thing even worse.
That's fine and I respect your decision. I support the NMFC, not the AFL, but believe that sports should govern themselves. For better or worse.

We are an indigenous sport played by a few states in a country that is removed from the outside world.

They didn't win the flag, they didn't even win a ******* final, it was by and large not performance enhancing per se, so as such, people (not my brethren on this board as it is their right to differ in opinion and form their own outrage if they wish) should just let it go.

The 2014 elimination result was so wonderful, the manner in which we broke them that I actually just don't care anymore. This is whole thing has ****** the sport that I love and I just want it over so we can all move on (laugh at them of course) but yeah, that's just how I feel.
 
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You won't find anything... I have stayed out this thread until the final decision was made. Its not my thing.

My hatred is historically based, not because of this drugs crap.
How would bringing doping controls under AFL control make things better?

There have been major problems with the MBL and NFL doping control so to cite them as examples is rather poor.
 
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They didn't win the flag, they didn't even win a ******* final, it was by and large not performance enhancing per se, so as such, people (not my brethren on this board as it is their right to differ in opinion and form their own outrage if they wish) should just let it go.
They won 11 of their first 15 games (including 8 wins and a 1 point loss in their first 9 games) in what was easily their most sustained run of form in well over a decade. Dean Robinson was the toast of the league at the time. The only reason they didn't go on with it was because of the unexpected soft tissue injuries that resulted from the drugs that ended up taking out half of their team.
 

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They are not all doormats over there
Bombers legend Alec Epis, who started his career with Mines Rovers in the Goldfields Football League before playing 11 seasons at Essendon, said the scandal had severely damaged the club's culture.

"We've played there, we've won flags and everything, and then this comes along," Epis said.

"But it's the culture that makes the club, the culture that binds us together, and that culture has disappeared."

We've been a really conservative club, and he's made us look like a pack of drongos.

Essendon Hall of Famer Alec Epis on former coach James Hird.


Speaking to the ABC from his home in Victoria, Epis was scathing of the role played by departed coach James Hird throughout the saga.

"I'm of the opinion that James Hird should be taken to task about this," he said.

"We've been a really conservative club, and he's made us look like a pack of drongos.

"He's the only person who hasn't lost anything in this drama that has gone on."

Hird was suspended as coach for 12 months in relation to the saga, before resigning as Bombers coach last August.

Fronting the media on Tuesday, he said he was shocked by the decision, and labelled it a miscarriage of justice for the 34 players involved.

Having spoken to other past players, Epis said he believed the club would benefit if Hird stepped out of the public spotlight.
 

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What happened to taking full responsibility.

FEBRUARY 5, 2013 — the day Essendon “self-reported’’ to ASADA and the AFL.

And Hird was at the forefront of the story.

A surprised yet defiant Bombers coach fronted a press conference at AFL House — alongside then Bombers chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson — after the club had requested the league to investigate the potential inappropriate use of supplements during the 2012 season.

“I’m very disappointed, shocked is probably the best word. As a coach I take full responsibility for what happens in our footy department,” he said.
 

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What happened to taking full responsibility.

FEBRUARY 5, 2013 — the day Essendon “self-reported’’ to ASADA and the AFL.

And Hird was at the forefront of the story.

A surprised yet defiant Bombers coach fronted a press conference at AFL House — alongside then Bombers chairman David Evans and chief executive Ian Robson — after the club had requested the league to investigate the potential inappropriate use of supplements during the 2012 season.

“I’m very disappointed, shocked is probably the best word. As a coach I take full responsibility for what happens in our footy department,” he said.
'Deny deny deny.'
 

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Reckon Hird is going to go nuclear on Sunday. With nothing to lose anymore he will lob hand grenades everywhere. He's on the ABC, no commercial obligations. Will be very interesting viewing.
I wonder how far he can push the non-disparagement clauses in various settlements and what the consequences might be of going over the edge?

Speaking of which ...

Throughout this it's been pretty clear that "up to the edge but not over" was one of the explicit aims of the PED program. Hird knew it, the admin knew it, the players used that sort of wording in their testimony up to and including the WADA appeal.

WTF did they think that meant if they stopped for even a minute to think about it?

Exploiting loopholes in the code?
Using substances chemically and pharmacologically similar to PEDs but not on the banned list (and not tested properly)?
Using stuff in dosages beyond what was well understood and clinically indicated?
Using combinations of drugs that somebody hoped would have an effect beyond that of the individual drugs?
If they didn't think any of these things, then what did they think?

$DEITY. if someone said to me they were going to pump me full of stuff that was pushing the boundaries of legality, ...
 

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How would bringing doping controls under AFL control make things better?

There have been major problems with the MBL and NFL doping control so to cite them as examples is rather poor.
Everyone gets their right whack, Rodriguez, Sosa etc all got banned, removed from hall of fames, publically ridiculed and disgraced.

And it doesn't hijack a competition for what will be close to 5 years.

Test positive - do your time.

Don't test positive - move on.

**** being dictated to by a bunch of overseas lawyers in a foreign country that harboured Nazis and stole, housed and profitted from an entire peoples misfortune.

I would prefer things to be dealt with by Australians in Australia.


They won 11 of their first 15 games (including 8 wins and a 1 point loss in their first 9 games) in what was easily their most sustained run of form in well over a decade. Dean Robinson was the toast of the league at the time. The only reason they didn't go on with it was because of the unexpected soft tissue injuries that resulted from the drugs that ended up taking out half of their team.
Ah yes, and miss out on the lols of them being smashed by 140 in a final.

Never.

They can't even cheat properly.
 
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