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While the AFL continues to rely on government funding for stadiums etc they have no choice but to continue under the ASADA/WADA banner.
The government has a much bigger stick they can wave... there's a multi billion dollar entertainment business that's currently being treated as a notice for profit organisation...
 

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I refuse to believe more people want to see his bullshit side of the story compared to bashing him and * and the AFL to kingdom come.

There shouldn't be this much prolonged media about it.
 

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Would you care if he came 8th and was left for dead at the bottom of the alps?
Interesting choice of words, as there have been professional cyclists who doped, particularly early on with EPO blood doping, and they were literally left for dead, maybe not at the bottom of the Alps, but nevertheless, DEAD. As in carked it, deceased, no longer with us. When peanuts like Sam Newman suggest that athletes should be allowed to take whatever they like, what he fails to appreciate is the risk to life that this entails. Imagine being a pro cyclist who has to set an alarm every two hours to wake up and walk around to keep your circulation working, because if you slept an 8 hour night, your artificially thickened blood would block your heart and you would never reawaken. This is why there is a need for WADA and ASADA. If you left policing of a drug code to the AFL, there would be a never ending series of negotiated outcomes where no player is ever found guilty of a drug offence, but many are slapped on the wrist for governance issues. Meanwhile, no-one cares about the players' health (especially not the players' association) and the obvious worst case scenario sees an AFL player die from a dodgy cocktail of supplements. The issue of drugs in sport is not just about cheating and gaining unfair advantage. It is about protecting the health of people not quite smart enough to realise how much harm they are doing to themselves. And if you think that doesn't matter, then perhaps we dispose of the seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws too.
 

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Interesting choice of words, as there have been professional cyclists who doped, particularly early on with EPO blood doping, and they were literally left for dead, maybe not at the bottom of the Alps, but nevertheless, DEAD. As in carked it, deceased, no longer with us. When peanuts like Sam Newman suggest that athletes should be allowed to take whatever they like, what he fails to appreciate is the risk to life that this entails. Imagine being a pro cyclist who has to set an alarm every two hours to wake up and walk around to keep your circulation working, because if you slept an 8 hour night, your artificially thickened blood would block your heart and you would never reawaken. This is why there is a need for WADA and ASADA. If you left policing of a drug code to the AFL, there would be a never ending series of negotiated outcomes where no player is ever found guilty of a drug offence, but many are slapped on the wrist for governance issues. Meanwhile, no-one cares about the players' health (especially not the players' association) and the obvious worst case scenario sees an AFL player die from a dodgy cocktail of supplements. The issue of drugs in sport is not just about cheating and gaining unfair advantage. It is about protecting the health of people not quite smart enough to realise how much harm they are doing to themselves. And if you think that doesn't matter, then perhaps we dispose of the seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws too.
And return to the days of free roaming kids who inevitably get kidnapped and killed.

But hey. Arjen doesn't want progression.
 

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Just read today's chapter from Jimmy. Whilst yesterday was an exercise in scatter-gunning blame all over the place (even Brendan McCartney copped a bullet...he was coaching the Bulldogs at the time!!), today was an exercise in "So???" Seems he's bitter about the way they got caught. And although the AFL didn't handle this at all well, their actions on "the day all hell broke loose" were actually a feeble effort to get the Bombers off the hook. But it doesn't matter one pissy little bit in relation to why the players got suspended. Besides, this is what Jim lobbed up at the High Court and it got absolutely smashed into itty bitty pieces. It's bullshit and no one cares.

This bit frankly shits me..."My explanation to the players is that my own trust was broken." To translate that - "My explanation to the players is that it wasn't my fault." Wow, great explanation. "I took people at their word. As the senior coach I trusted what I was told was correct." Enough already! We get it! You didn't let others down...Others let you down. And no balanced person believes this and/or feels sorry for you.

And finally..."if I were to do things differently, it would be to trust less, to ask more questions, and demand more answers." I'm always a bit fuzzy on what irony actually is but maybe it applies here. Because this quote is put forward as an excuse for what happened to Hird, but when applied to the players, it's EXACTLY what they were guilty of and why none of the 34 will play football in 2016.
 

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But hey. Arjen doesn't want progression.
I simply want my sport back.

I am at the forefront of progression.I make my living by disrupting archaic business models.

And what's with the reference to kids? Kids get kidnapped and go missing every day, I'm not sure how letting the AFL govern its own sport changes this.

If you are part of charitable organisation that protects kids, then please pm me your website and let me donate to your cause.


Interesting choice of words, as there have been professional cyclists who doped, particularly early on with EPO blood doping, and they were literally left for dead, maybe not at the bottom of the Alps, but nevertheless, DEAD. As in carked it, deceased, no longer with us. When peanuts like Sam Newman suggest that athletes should be allowed to take whatever they like, what he fails to appreciate is the risk to life that this entails. Imagine being a pro cyclist who has to set an alarm every two hours to wake up and walk around to keep your circulation working, because if you slept an 8 hour night, your artificially thickened blood would block your heart and you would never reawaken. This is why there is a need for WADA and ASADA. If you left policing of a drug code to the AFL, there would be a never ending series of negotiated outcomes where no player is ever found guilty of a drug offence, but many are slapped on the wrist for governance issues. Meanwhile, no-one cares about the players' health (especially not the players' association) and the obvious worst case scenario sees an AFL player die from a dodgy cocktail of supplements. The issue of drugs in sport is not just about cheating and gaining unfair advantage. It is about protecting the health of people not quite smart enough to realise how much harm they are doing to themselves. And if you think that doesn't matter, then perhaps we dispose of the seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws too.
Whilst this is a great post, I'm a robust advocate for natural selection.

I also hate having to wear a seatbelt. My shirt needs ironing when I get to work which defeats the purpose of having it dry cleaned.

But anyway, If people want to cheat themselves, their sport, their family and put their reputation on the line, and die, I have no sympathy. None. People make choices and live and die by them.

I have made mine and I live with them.
 

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Just read today's chapter from Jimmy. Whilst yesterday was an exercise in scatter-gunning blame all over the place (even Brendan McCartney copped a bullet...he was coaching the Bulldogs at the time!!), today was an exercise in "So???" Seems he's bitter about the way they got caught. And although the AFL didn't handle this at all well, their actions on "the day all hell broke loose" were actually a feeble effort to get the Bombers off the hook. But it doesn't matter one pissy little bit in relation to why the players got suspended. Besides, this is what Jim lobbed up at the High Court and it got absolutely smashed into itty bitty pieces. It's bullshit and no one cares.

This bit frankly shits me..."My explanation to the players is that my own trust was broken." To translate that - "My explanation to the players is that it wasn't my fault." Wow, great explanation. "I took people at their word. As the senior coach I trusted what I was told was correct." Enough already! We get it! You didn't let others down...Others let you down. And no balanced person believes this and/or feels sorry for you.

And finally..."if I were to do things differently, it would be to trust less, to ask more questions, and demand more answers." I'm always a bit fuzzy on what irony actually is but maybe it applies here. Because this quote is put forward as an excuse for what happened to Hird, but when applied to the players, it's EXACTLY what they were guilty of and why none of the 34 will play football in 2016.
I strongly suggest you read the Stand by Your Man piece written by Lucie Morris-Marr.
It has to be the lowest point in Australian journalism.
 
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AFL and the club "chose to resist Hal's efforts to find out what he was injected with"

That is disgraceful.
About time the AFLPA took the stance to support Hal Hunter and other players who seek to know the truth. Instead they took a swipe at WADA !

Absolutely moronic !
 

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Interesting choice of words, as there have been professional cyclists who doped, particularly early on with EPO blood doping, and they were literally left for dead, maybe not at the bottom of the Alps, but nevertheless, DEAD. As in carked it, deceased, no longer with us. When peanuts like Sam Newman suggest that athletes should be allowed to take whatever they like, what he fails to appreciate is the risk to life that this entails. Imagine being a pro cyclist who has to set an alarm every two hours to wake up and walk around to keep your circulation working, because if you slept an 8 hour night, your artificially thickened blood would block your heart and you would never reawaken. This is why there is a need for WADA and ASADA. If you left policing of a drug code to the AFL, there would be a never ending series of negotiated outcomes where no player is ever found guilty of a drug offence, but many are slapped on the wrist for governance issues. Meanwhile, no-one cares about the players' health (especially not the players' association) and the obvious worst case scenario sees an AFL player die from a dodgy cocktail of supplements. The issue of drugs in sport is not just about cheating and gaining unfair advantage. It is about protecting the health of people not quite smart enough to realise how much harm they are doing to themselves. And if you think that doesn't matter, then perhaps we dispose of the seatbelt and motorcycle helmet laws too.
Excellent post. :thumbsu::thumbsu:
 

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I simply want my sport back.

I am at the forefront of progression.I make my living by disrupting archaic business models.

And what's with the reference to kids? Kids get kidnapped and go missing every day, I'm not sure how letting the AFL govern its own sport changes this.

If you are part of charitable organisation that protects kids, then please pm me your website and let me donate to your cause.




Whilst this is a great post, I'm a robust advocate for natural selection.

I also hate having to wear a seatbelt. My shirt needs ironing when I get to work which defeats the purpose of having it dry cleaned.

But anyway, If people want to cheat themselves, their sport, their family and put their reputation on the line, and die, I have no sympathy. None. People make choices and live and die by them.

I have made mine and I live with them.
Arjen is starting to exhibit, dare I say it, *jimmy like tendencies
 

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Whilst this is a great post, I'm a robust advocate for natural selection.

I also hate having to wear a seatbelt. My shirt needs ironing when I get to work which defeats the purpose of having it dry cleaned.

But anyway, If people want to cheat themselves, their sport, their family and put their reputation on the line, and die, I have no sympathy. None. People make choices and live and die by them.

I have made mine and I live with them.

LOL, fair enough. I have often wondered about helmet laws and the need to protect a brain from sustaining brain damage when that same brain does not appear to be operating at anywhere near full capacity, at least at the point when it chose to ride a motorcycle sans helmet. Is this a brain that we really need to preserve?
 
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