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Another gem from the * fan-girl-lawyer



Fair dinkum, that reads like a 12 year old girl who thinks she is as smart as an adult, writing a love letter to Justin Bieber after he's done something stupid in public again.
I just had a look at the * board, and it's people like this Rines character who I genuinely have sympathy for. They clearly are extremely loyal, dedicated * fans with absolute belief in their club. They are just more of the collateral damage from this sh!tfight.
 

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Indeed. The primary issue here is borne out by one simple question. Do you really know what the players were given?

If the answer to that question is no then it does not matter what Dank says. It does not matter what *hird says. It does not matter what *little says. It does not matter what anyone associated with that *club says. They got caught up in an ACC investigation, ASADA got involved and now appear to have a chain of evidence linking * with the purchase of banned substances and strong circumstantial evidence of a culture similar to that in suburban gyms. And * expect everyone to take their word that they didn't take banned substances as gospel? **** me drunk.
Is it true the ACC evidence is not admissible by ASADA, unlike the information from the ADASA/AFL investigation? I suspect ASADA knows much more than it can legally present, which is why they are still going full steam ahead in delivering the SCN.
 

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*jimmah not requesting a stay of the SCN's so they can proceed and ASADA can move forward according to him.

However, I wonder if it is feasible for them to do so in this environment and *jimmah and the PR numpties and trying to score points with the public by stating that they are providing no roadblock to proceeding when the action itself is a roadblock in the eyes of ASADA.
 

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I just had a look at the * board, and it's people like this Rines character who I genuinely have sympathy for. They clearly are extremely loyal, dedicated * fans with absolute belief in their club. They are just more of the collateral damage from this sh!tfight.
Nah, it's people like Jab and Doss I actually have some modicum of sympathy for; the level-headed, rational * supporters who aren't just blindly swallowing whatever fiction is fed to them, and are instead trying their best to row up shit creek with a dodgy paddle.
 

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:p *bomber stating that he had not spoken to Gold Coast at *their B n F, i recall him assuring the Geelong faithful that he had not spoken to *essendon, nek minnit he is on the payroll :eek: , it is all about keeping the immediate audience happy, and giving them what they want to hear
 

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In a statement, Hird said: "I have been advised and believe that there are strong reasons why that decision is incorrect and that this is the proper and appropriate course to vindicate the legal rights of the EFC and its players.

"The challenge to the lawfulness of the joint investigation was and is an important step in showing that the Essendon Football Club, its players and staff were submitted to a compromised investigation and were treated unfairly.

"If we don't appeal, our players may be stained forever by the innuendo, misconceptions and falsities that resulted from an investigation that we believe was conducted unlawfully."


From http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/hird-on-knife-edge

Seriously. He intends to appeal a decision concerning the process adopted by ASADA, not to prevent that process of continuing but rather to show the world that the process wasn't right.

So we could have a situation where - assuming he's right (huge assumption) - the Full Court declares ASADA shouldn't have been allowed to proceed the way they did, but in the meantime ASADA has simply done exactly that.

All of which would be an almighty pyrrhic victory to *Hird at best. I don't know if his lawyers have read the memo, but the courts aren't especially interested these days in allowing parties to drag matters through the courts where only principles are at stake. They're a tad more pragmatic than that.

Which takes me to the issue of discretionary relief. Middleton threw out the case because he saw nothing wrong with ASADA's process. He went on to say that even if he had found something wrong with it, he would have thrown out the case anyway as a matter of discretion, as ASADA could simply start from scratch.

If *Hird is before the court trying to say that the process should be stopped, and meanwhile the players (to whom the SCN's are addressed, not *Hird) are ignoring *Hird's case and getting on with answering the SCN's, how in holy hell could the Full Court do anything other than agree with Middleton on the exercise of discretion?

My gut feel is *Hird will backflip on this. He's made his decision on a matter of principle and looking solely at the legal issues without considering the broader ramifications. In his myopic little world, he probably just presumed that the players would be behind him and would cheer him on as their saviour for appealing on their behalf. Assuming they actually crossed his mind at all. Now he's discovered their not on board, he might look up and realise he's standing on a desert island on his own on this one, and its actually a pretty shit place to be. Here's hoping - as much schadenfreude as there is to be had, even more than that I just want this thing to end and right now it is *Hird that is preventing that. Selfish campaigner.
 

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:p *bomber stating that he had not spoken to Gold Coast at *their B n F, i recall him assuring the Geelong faithful that he had not spoken to *essendon, nek minnit he is on the payroll :eek: , it is all about keeping the immediate audience happy, and giving them what they want to hear
It's got overtones of when he left the Cats to join * doesn't it?
 

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Imagine if someone back in 2007 at Dallas Brooks Hall said to you over the next 7 years that

  • NM name restored
  • Positive growth towards 40k members
  • SOA facilities finished.
  • *jimmah and Vlad taking each other down in flames, reputations in tatters
  • * being FUBAR as a result

You'd tell them they were on something (apart from PEDs)....

Good times. :thumbsu:
 

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Imagine if someone back in 2007 at Dallas Brooks Hall said to you over the next 7 years that

  • NM name restored
  • Positive growth towards 40k members
  • SOA facilities finished.
  • *jimmah and Vlad taking each other down in flames, reputations in tatters
  • * being FUBAR as a result

You'd tell them they were on something (apart from PEDs)....

Good times. :thumbsu:
I'd have told them to go back to West Coast.
 
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Nah, it's people like Jab and Doss I actually have some modicum of sympathy for; the level-headed, rational * supporters who aren't just blindly swallowing whatever fiction is fed to them, and are instead trying their best to row up shit creek with a dodgy paddle.
Yep. Rational *Essendon supporters have been victimised by the behaviour of their brethren. It has really got to a couple of my mates who support them. They don't care about being associated with drugs, they care about being associated with hero-worshippers who reduced their club to a cult of personality around a narcissistic Toorak toff.

And it only could have happened at Essendon, despite what others claim. My club is probably one of the most susceptible to such stupid, cult-like behaviour but even we would done Buckley in a long time ago.
 

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In a statement, Hird said: "I have been advised and believe that there are strong reasons why that decision is incorrect and that this is the proper and appropriate course to vindicate the legal rights of the EFC and its players.

"The challenge to the lawfulness of the joint investigation was and is an important step in showing that the Essendon Football Club, its players and staff were submitted to a compromised investigation and were treated unfairly.

"If we don't appeal, our players may be stained forever by the innuendo, misconceptions and falsities that resulted from an investigation that we believe was conducted unlawfully."


From http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-02/hird-on-knife-edge

Seriously. He intends to appeal a decision concerning the process adopted by ASADA, not to prevent that process of continuing but rather to show the world that the process wasn't right.

So we could have a situation where - assuming he's right (huge assumption) - the Full Court declares ASADA shouldn't have been allowed to proceed the way they did, but in the meantime ASADA has simply done exactly that.

All of which would be an almighty pyrrhic victory to *Hird at best. I don't know if his lawyers have read the memo, but the courts aren't especially interested these days in allowing parties to drag matters through the courts where only principles are at stake. They're a tad more pragmatic than that.

Which takes me to the issue of discretionary relief. Middleton threw out the case because he saw nothing wrong with ASADA's process. He went on to say that even if he had found something wrong with it, he would have thrown out the case anyway as a matter of discretion, as ASADA could simply start from scratch.

If *Hird is before the court trying to say that the process should be stopped, and meanwhile the players (to whom the SCN's are addressed, not *Hird) are ignoring *Hird's case and getting on with answering the SCN's, how in holy hell could the Full Court do anything other than agree with Middleton on the exercise of discretion?

My gut feel is *Hird will backflip on this. He's made his decision on a matter of principle and looking solely at the legal issues without considering the broader ramifications. In his myopic little world, he probably just presumed that the players would be behind him and would cheer him on as their saviour for appealing on their behalf. Assuming they actually crossed his mind at all. Now he's discovered their not on board, he might look up and realise he's standing on a desert island on his own on this one, and its actually a pretty shit place to be. Here's hoping - as much schadenfreude as there is to be had, even more than that I just want this thing to end and right now it is *Hird that is preventing that. Selfish campaigner.
I very much doubt that *he will backflip. I think *he is so far out of touch with the rest of the world (apart from all those *donialists over on the *essendon board) that *he has no comprehension of just what is going on and how much damage *he is wreaking on the *essendon fc.

*he is like the soldier who is marching out of step with everyone else in the battalion and tries to get everyone else to change to the same step as *him. It aint gonna happen but *he doesn't have enough up top to understand this

If *he is ignoring what *watson, Goddard and *hocking have allegedly asked him to do, being to fall into line with the club and not appeal, then does he not realise (in my view anyway), that *he has lost the players too?

The *players have had enough. *little has had enough. The *board of the *essendon fc have had enough. Only the lawyers have not had enough but perhaps their wallets haven't had enough yet.

Personally I don't care how much damage *he does because over *there *they have treated *him with far more reverence than any human being deserves and *he least of all deserves that sort of reverence.
 

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Imagine if someone back in 2007 at Dallas Brooks Hall said to you over the next 7 years that

  • NM name restored
  • Positive growth towards 40k members
  • SOA facilities finished.
  • *jimmah and Vlad taking each other down in flames, reputations in tatters
  • * being FUBAR as a result

You'd tell them they were on something (apart from PEDs)....

Good times. :thumbsu:
The only way to improve it would be to beat * in a come from behind elimination final win. Wait....
 

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Why?

Is it a discussion on people who use any excuse not to do their PhD?
Neil Mitchell's show was talking about James Hird. He rang up and sprouted shit about how it was all "trial by media", that there are errors in Middleton's judgement, that confidential information was shared, etc. Same bullshit.
 

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In a statement, Hird said: "If we don't appeal, our players may be stained forever by the innuendo, misconceptions and falsities that resulted from an investigation that we believe was conducted unlawfully."

My gut feel is *Hird will backflip on this. He's made his decision on a matter of principle and looking solely at the legal issues without considering the broader ramifications. In his myopic little world, he probably just presumed that the players would be behind him and would cheer him on as their saviour for appealing on their behalf. Assuming they actually crossed his mind at all. Now he's discovered they're not on board, he might look up and realise he's standing on a desert island on his own on this one, and its actually a pretty shit place to be. Here's hoping - as much schadenfreude as there is to be had, even more than that I just want this thing to end and right now it is *Hird that is preventing that. Selfish campaigner.
He may have presumed this, but given that he's proceeded despite them saying they aren't behind this action suggests to me he is just using them as rhetorical pawns in his own game. Or in his delusional world that, despite evidence to the contrary, that he actually believes it.

It's a bit sad really, that narcissists get to perpetuate their own deluded self-image due to hero-worship. Even with that cult rapidly declining in number, he'll still have Tanya at home saying "You're right honey; they're wrong." and no detractors, save for the 'irrelevant' world outside.
 

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Which takes me to the issue of discretionary relief. Middleton threw out the case because he saw nothing wrong with ASADA's process. He went on to say that even if he had found something wrong with it, he would have thrown out the case anyway as a matter of discretion, as ASADA could simply start from scratch.
Yup. Spot on.

You are the Superman to rines Lex Luthor. One of you stands for truth and justice, and the other just wants her man crush *Jimmy to be left alone! SERIOUSLY GUYS LEAVE JIMMY ALONEEEE. HE IS THE VICTIM HERE.
 

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I very much doubt that *he will backflip. I think *he is so far out of touch with the rest of the world (apart from all those *donialists over on the *essendon board) that *he has no comprehension of just what is going on and how much damage *he is wreaking on the *essendon fc.

*he is like the soldier who is marching out of step with everyone else in the battalion and tries to get everyone else to change to the same step as *him. It aint gonna happen but *he doesn't have enough up top to understand this

If *he is ignoring what *watson, Goddard and *hocking have allegedly asked him to do, being to fall into line with the club and not appeal, then does he not realise (in my view anyway), that *he has lost the players too?

The *players have had enough. *little has had enough. The *board of the *essendon fc have had enough. Only the lawyers have not had enough but perhaps their wallets haven't had enough yet.

Personally I don't care how much damage *he does because over *there *they have treated *him with far more reverence than any human being deserves and *he least of all deserves that sort of reverence.
You might be right. I might be trying to imbue a nutter with a shred of remaining sanity, a la Luke remaining convinced that Darth wasn't entirely evil when all the evidence was to the contrary. [Except *Hird isn't my father]

And yeah I hope he tears that shitstain of a club to the ground, however equally I just want to get back to footy. Or even better actually, maybe he can finish trashing the place by round one next year? That gives us all summer to enjoy the fallout before getting back to the real thing :thumbsu:
 
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