Certified Legendary Thread Sympathy for *essendon - congratulations on '16 Wooden Spoon (RIP The Scales)

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The funniest thing about newmacca is that he thinks he is sticking the boots into us by flaunting the fact that they* got Cooney and we didn't.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am ecstatic that Cooney decided to go to *. They* have taken a bullet for us. And agreed to pay him in full - haha, they didn't even have to do that. What losers. And it's not as if they've been saving cash lately.

newmacca, it would have been a way more successful troll if we took Cooney and * avoided him. :thumbsu:
 

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A little bit, I guess the bit that interests me is why you are so happy to see us in disarray (genuine question).
Because your *club has been cheating forever and is finally about to get hit by the karma bus.
 

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A little bit, I guess the bit that interests me is why you are so happy to see us in disarray (genuine question).
Happy? I am happy when it's a nice sunny day or my wife cooks me my favourite dinner or when the kids bring home a good school report.

What *hirds ego has done to your club has made me unbelievably ecstatic. *essendon have a cheating culture - like in the 90's when you cheated the salary cap. You thought by becoming drug cheats to gain an advantage you would get another fine and slap on the wrist if caught. But now the slap on the wrist has turned into a life time of laughter and ridicule. It could not have happened to a big bunch of campaigners.
 

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Happy? I am happy when it's a nice sunny day or my wife cooks me my favourite dinner or when the kids bring home a good school report.

What *hirds ego has done to your club has made me unbelievably ecstatic. *essendon have a cheating culture - like in the 90's when you cheated the salary cap. You thought by becoming drug cheats to gain an advantage you would get another fine and slap on the wrist if caught. But now the slap on the wrist has turned into a life time of laughter and ridicule. It could not have happened to a big bunch of campaigners.
Okay, "ecstatic" then :p

Fair enough that's your opinion, not here to change it but don't you get more enjoyment out of passionately supporting your own team rather than focusing on negatives?
 

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Okay, "ecstatic" then :p

Fair enough that's your opinion, not here to change it but don't you get more enjoyment out of passionately supporting your own team rather than focusing on negatives?
Whoa big fella - negatives?? I had a great year - a top 4 finish, watching us run down the cheats from 33 points down. It was golden.

*essendons humiliation and laughter I have had over the last 20 months is the wonderful icing on my cake. There are no negatives. No one has any respect for *hird and we all can see him for the weak coward he is.

It's celebration time!!
 

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Whoa big fella - negatives?? I had a great year - a top 4 finish, watching us run down the cheats from 33 points down. It was golden.

*essendons humiliation and laughter I have had over the last 20 months is the wonderful icing on my cake. There are no negatives. No one has any respect for *hird and we all can see him for the weak coward he is.

It's celebration time!!
Cool. Cheers for the invite, I'm gonna check out of this hotel. But don't worry I won't leave any negative feedback on trip advisor :$
 

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If you're going to put the effort into trolling craffles at least be half decent at it. Yawn.
Read above, was never trolling. Bill told me to check this thread out from another board. Came into see what it was all about. Done that, so I'll leave you guys to it. Carry on gents.
 

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show cause notices? I never got that letter is it cause the music in my nth melbourne hotel room was too loud?. I dunno about Jimmy, is he coming to visit this hotel too?

Maybe one of those beer can hats with straws? So we can relax by the north melbourne hotel pool when I finally get my second towel?
Thanks for the cake. I think it's a mistake though as I ordered a ham & cooney cheese toasted sandwich with a burger wedding ring. Can you please get room service to fix this?
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The AFLPA have announced that the * players will not respond to the show cause notices.
Oh dear!
From the statement (copied and pasted below for those too lazy to google), it seems they are hoping to bring the matter to the ADRVP within the next week which will almost certainly lead to infraction notices being issued (if I remember the process correctly) and then it will be down to the corruption of the AFL to decide if these turn into bans and what length bans, etc




The AFL Players’ Association can confirm the players’ lawyers have reviewed the summary of evidence that has been provided by ASADA in support of the amended show cause notices.

The players’ legal team have had discussions with the players about the show cause packs and the material on which ASADA’s case is based.

The players affirmed their commitment to seek an expeditious process to give them the opportunity to remove the cloud that has hung over them for almost two years.

The players do not intend to respond to the show cause notices.

It is important to note that the onus of proving the allegations against the players that they were administered the prohibited substance Thymosin Beta 4, rests with the AFL. While ASADA is only required to demonstrate to the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel a ‘possibility’ of a violation, the much higher standard proof of ‘comfortable satisfaction’ is required to be proved by the AFL at the AFL Anti-Doping tribunal.

The players’ lawyers have written to ASADA and the AFL informing them that the players do not intend to respond to the show cause notices and requested that ASADA expedite the process by bringing the matter before the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel within seven days.

In the event that ASADA is not able to meet that timeline, ASADA has been requested to simultaneously provide the AFL General Counsel and the players’ legal team with all the documentation and evidentiary material it has in this matter so that the matter can be dealt with in accordance with the AFL Anti-Doping Code.

We urge ASADA to take all necessary steps to accede to the players’ request for this matter to be fast-tracked, particularly given that:

- the players remain steadfast in their belief they have done nothing wrong;

- the players have cooperated fully throughout the entire process;

- the evidence should have been provided when the show cause notices were originally issued in June; and

- the unnecessary delays that the players have had to endure that are in no part attributable to them, without there being any finality to this saga.

This process has already taken up 21 months – about half the average AFL player’s career. The prospect that players would have to endure a third season with these proceeding hanging over their head is simply unacceptable.

The players want this matter resolved quickly and fairly. It is time to bring this matter to an end.
 

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From the statement (copied and pasted below for those too lazy to google), it seems they are hoping to bring the matter to the ADRVP within the next week which will almost certainly lead to infraction notices being issued (if I remember the process correctly) and then it will be down to the corruption of the AFL to decide if these turn into bans and what length bans, etc




The AFL Players’ Association can confirm the players’ lawyers have reviewed the summary of evidence that has been provided by ASADA in support of the amended show cause notices.

The players’ legal team have had discussions with the players about the show cause packs and the material on which ASADA’s case is based.

The players affirmed their commitment to seek an expeditious process to give them the opportunity to remove the cloud that has hung over them for almost two years.

The players do not intend to respond to the show cause notices.

It is important to note that the onus of proving the allegations against the players that they were administered the prohibited substance Thymosin Beta 4, rests with the AFL. While ASADA is only required to demonstrate to the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel a ‘possibility’ of a violation, the much higher standard proof of ‘comfortable satisfaction’ is required to be proved by the AFL at the AFL Anti-Doping tribunal.

The players’ lawyers have written to ASADA and the AFL informing them that the players do not intend to respond to the show cause notices and requested that ASADA expedite the process by bringing the matter before the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel within seven days.

In the event that ASADA is not able to meet that timeline, ASADA has been requested to simultaneously provide the AFL General Counsel and the players’ legal team with all the documentation and evidentiary material it has in this matter so that the matter can be dealt with in accordance with the AFL Anti-Doping Code.

We urge ASADA to take all necessary steps to accede to the players’ request for this matter to be fast-tracked, particularly given that:

- the players remain steadfast in their belief they have done nothing wrong;

- the players have cooperated fully throughout the entire process;

- the evidence should have been provided when the show cause notices were originally issued in June; and

- the unnecessary delays that the players have had to endure that are in no part attributable to them, without there being any finality to this saga.

This process has already taken up 21 months – about half the average AFL player’s career. The prospect that players would have to endure a third season with these proceeding hanging over their head is simply unacceptable.

The players want this matter resolved quickly and fairly. It is time to bring this matter to an end.
How can they say they have fully cooperated when they tried to have the whole thing thrown out by the courts over a technicality. It might have been * going to court but it was always stated that it was being done for the players*

I just keep thinking if you replaced "*" with "Chinese Swim Team" and "AFL" with "Chinese Olympic Committee" the Australian media AND public would be in an uproar about their sleazy backdoor trickery trying to worm out of it. Australians would be discussed if they got anything less than 2 years.
 

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On one level, not responding to a show cause notice recognises that there is a "possibility" that the players have doped.

Plus the AFLPA's statement chooses some interesting language:

- the players remain steadfast in their belief they have done nothing wrong;

"Belief". "Done nothing wrong."

- the players have cooperated fully throughout the entire process;

Because they steadfastly opposed the Federal Court action and requested that the court throw it out so that they could get on with the process, amirite?

- the evidence should have been provided when the show cause notices were originally issued in June; and

Actually no. Nor, given the way in which they've decided not to oppose the SCN's, would it have mattered. They were hoping for a free hit and made ASADA do all this extra work in case one materialised. Which isn't exactly "cooperating fully with the process".

- the unnecessary delays that the players have had to endure that are in no part attributable to them, without there being any finality to this saga.

So....a complicated investigation beset by threats of legal action was unnecessarily delayed? ASADA took about 15 months to complete their investigation and issue SCN's - that sounds pretty bloody efficient to me, given how messy this was for them to unravel. The 4 months of delays since have been entirely attributed to *, *Hird and the players for running the Federal Court case and, in the players' case, demanding unnecessarily that the SCN's be supported by evidence when the process does not require that.

No sympathy. I really hope ASADA/AFL doesn't do deals on this one. If they've breached, they deserve the full whack.
 
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