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Snake_Baker

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Imagine Mr Bruce "one finger" Francis up on the stand. That would be comedy gold for the ages.
I can see it now with Bruce Reid.

RC: ......so Dr. Reid, this "supplements regime" caused you so much concern that you penned an official letter and sent it to the EFC coach and various football department personnel?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: Did you ever receive a response about your grave concern?
Bruce Reid: No.
RC: Why do you think this is the case?
Bruce Reid: I don't know. Apparently the letters were never received.
RC: Dr Reid, in the intervening period between sending these letters and this matter coming to light in the public forum, did you ever come in to contact with the persons who were the supposed receivers of your correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: What is the approximate timeline between when you dispatched your correspondence and this matter came to light publicly?
Bruce Reid: Several months, perhaps a year or more.
RC: Dr. Reid, in that period of "several months, perhaps a year or more", did you ever personally encounter the people who were to receive your concerned correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: How often during that period?
Bruce Reid: Several times per week
RC: Did you raise this concerning matter with these people in person?
Bruce Reid: I need a toilet break.
 

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I can see it now with Bruce Reid.

RC: ......so Dr. Reid, this "supplements regime" caused you so much concern that you penned an official letter and sent it to the EFC coach and various football department personnel?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: Did you ever receive a response about your grave concern?
Bruce Reid: No.
RC: Why do you think this is the case?
Bruce Reid: I don't know. Apparently the letters were never received.
RC: Dr Reid, in the intervening period between sending these letters and this matter coming to light in the public forum, did you ever come in to contact with the persons who were the supposed receivers of your correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: What is the approximate timeline between when you dispatched your correspondence and this matter came to light publicly?
Bruce Reid: Several months, perhaps a year or more.
RC: Dr. Reid, in that period of "several months, perhaps a year or more", did you ever personally encounter the people who were to receive your concerned correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: How often during that period?
Bruce Reid: Several times per week
RC: Did you raise this concerning matter with these people in person?
Bruce Reid: I need a toilet break.
Yep. The narrative that Doc Reid is some kind of martyr is such a crock. He covered his arse then looked the other way.
 

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I can see it now with Bruce Reid.

RC: ......so Dr. Reid, this "supplements regime" caused you so much concern that you penned an official letter and sent it to the EFC coach and various football department personnel?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: Did you ever receive a response about your grave concern?
Bruce Reid: No.
RC: Why do you think this is the case?
Bruce Reid: I don't know. Apparently the letters were never received.
RC: Dr Reid, in the intervening period between sending these letters and this matter coming to light in the public forum, did you ever come in to contact with the persons who were the supposed receivers of your correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: What is the approximate timeline between when you dispatched your correspondence and this matter came to light publicly?
Bruce Reid: Several months, perhaps a year or more.
RC: Dr. Reid, in that period of "several months, perhaps a year or more", did you ever personally encounter the people who were to receive your concerned correspondence?
Bruce Reid: Yes.
RC: How often during that period?
Bruce Reid: Several times per week
RC: Did you raise this concerning matter with these people in person?
Bruce Reid: I need a toilet break.
Brucey would have the AMA on his side
 

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Graham Cornes: Bruce Francis’ dogged fight to clear the names of the Essendon 34

Graham Cornes, The Advertiser
October 18, 2019 6:20pm

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“GOT the bastards!” Bruce Francis’ elation at the front-page story by Michael Warner in the Herald Sun accusing ASADA of manipulating evidence in the infamous case of the Essendon 34 was infectious.The former Test opening batsman had worked 18 hours a day for four months, poring over 25,000 photographs of documents, including correspondence between the various parties involved in the sorry saga.

His single purpose — the exoneration those 34 Essendon players who had been suspended on appeal for breaching the WADA drug code.

Jobe Watson speaks to the media on behalf of the Essendon 34 in 2015. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

Jobe Watson speaks to the media on behalf of the Essendon 34 in 2015.

Francis has no Aussie rules background. He grew up in Sydney and is a political science graduate, worked closely with Kerry Packer on World Series Cricket and toured South Africa when apartheid protests isolated and condemned the country.

However, the dilemma of the Essendon players both intrigued and infuriated him. How could 34 players be convicted and suspended on such flimsy, circumstantial and spurious evidence? How could James Hird be treated so poorly and hounded to the point where too many tablets seemed his only relief? How could the AFL, who started the whole mess by insisting the club self-report when there was nothing to report, then try to force a plea bargain, escape culpability?

Francis is constantly angry at how ASADA — the Australian Sport Anti-Doping Authority — gathered and presented evidence. ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt is a particular target of Francis, who accuses the former head of ASADA of misleading the Senate Community Affairs Committee. Of ill-health and housebound these days, Francis continues to obsess over the plight of the Essendon 34 and their coach, James Hird. Obsession is the only word to describe his almost manic pursuit of justice.

No one Australian has spent more time, exhausted more energy, and indeed insulted and alienated more politicians, journalists and their editors than Francis. His research has been fastidious. Since July 2013, he has laboured 12 to 15 hours a day, written over a million words and compiled 30,000 pages of evidence.

Is he eccentric and occasionally offensive? No doubt, but he has his supporters. Radio legend Alan Jones says of Francis: “He is the most fastidious researcher. I think he has done the most extraordinary job I have ever seen on a subject of this kind. Brilliant and phenomenal don’t do justice to the work.” And Warwick Hadfield from ABC National Radio: “The AFL, in collusion with the Australian Government, decided what the result [of the investigation] was going to be and then worked backwards towards that … This document [Francis’s complaint about ASADA] is important to the future of the AFL and Australian sport.”

Francis is ruthless in his attack on McDevitt. He uses two significant examples to illustrate his lack of faith in McDevitt’s procedural fairness. In 2016, McDevitt told a Senate Estimates Committee: “There were over 100 text messages that unveiled a plan to source Thymosin Beta-4 for the purpose of doping the team.” For nearly a year, Francis pursued the truth to this allegation through a Freedom of Information application until finally, after 348 days, an ASADA lawyer told the Australian Information Commissioner that: “No documents containing the clause ‘Thymosin Beta-4 for the purpose of doping the Essendon players exists.’”



McDevitt also gave evidence that: “In the words of Stephen Dank, Thymosin was the vital cornerstone of that team-based program.” Francis did not believe that statement, pursued the truth of it and claims that on September 6, 2016, ASADA’s national operations manager, Judith Lind, told him: “We have identified that there is no document which says ‘Thymosin was the vital cornerstone of that team-based program.’”

James Hird’s father, Alan, subsequently laid an official complaint against McDevitt, accusing him of misleading the Senate committee. The complaint was dismissed, but that hasn’t curtailed Francis’s zeal to call the former head of ASADA to account.Francis, who makes no secret of his disdain for the cohort of anti-Essendon, anti-Hird journalists and commentators, goes to extraordinary lengths and takes great delight in dismantling what he believes are distorted and prejudiced opinions.

More than one journalist and editor has demanded that he remove their names from his mailing lists.

His attacks on AFL chief Gillon McLachlan, who was at the time tasked with untangling the whole mess after his then boss Andrew Demetriou encouraged Essendon to self-report, have been particularly vicious. But given McLachlan’s well-intentioned but ultimately unsuccessful intent to see the players exonerated, those attacks seem misguided.

Francis’s best work is his dismantling of the verdict of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which saw the players (some of whom had never been injected) suspended. The CAS relied on 16 “strands in the cable of evidence” as key elements in upholding the WADA appeal against the AFL Tribunal’s verdict clearing the players.

Francis assiduously attacks the CAS, at times ridiculing the judgments of its esteemed panel members and shreds the “cable”. Seemingly irrelevant matters like whether players could remember whether Dank was present at away matches, why Dank decided to refer to the substances as an “amino-acid blend” instead of peptides or the CAS’s confusion between the legal form of Thymosin and the not-cleared-for-approval Thymosin Beta-4, are all dissected and refuted by Francis.

ASADA responded to Warner’s front-page expose in a remarkably blasé manner. “Asada strongly denies allegations of evidence manipulation reported in the media”, said the statement, which also emphasised that Thymosin Beta-4, the contentious substance, has never been cleared for human consumption.

But Warner’s and Francis’ argument is that it never appeared on a banned list until after the allegations against Essendon arose. Francis insists that ASADA, WADA and the CAS “changed evidence, planted evidence; omitted evidence.” They are inflammatory accusations, but despite many threats, Francis is yet to be sued for any of his excoriating assessments of his targets. Still, the football world remains divided on this saga. Thirty-four Essendon players will never get their lost year back. James Hird will never get life, as he knew it, back.

On the other hand, hopefully Jobe Watson may one day get his Brownlow Medal back. However, despite the bans, one thing seems increasingly irrefutable. Thirty-four Essendon players were not injected with Thymosin Beta-4.Further, Francis maintains there is no evidence Dank ever took possession of the substance.Watson, in an oblique Twitter post, encouraged people like Warner and Francis to “keep sniffing”.

There is no doubt Bruce Francis will.
TL;DR version - * are still a bunch of delusional cheating campaigners.

These are facts.
 

Snake_Baker

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Yep. The narrative that Doc Reid is some kind of martyr is such a crock. He covered his arse then looked the other way.

He was the savviest of the lot of them because he bailed as soon as the writing was on the wall.

The rest of the idiots punched on and took their club down with them.
 

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...................so.........................in relation to all this bullshit being stirred up by this tin foil hat wearing "political science graduate"........................I say this...........................BRING ON A ROYAL COMMISSION!

PUT DANK & Co. IN THE BOX AND MAKE THEM ANSWER QUESTIONS UNDER OATH!

Dank

"The weapon"

Bruce Reid

Little Lord Evans

.......................ALL OF THEM!

.............complete in the knowledge that the Australian Crime Commission are quietly sitting in the background with fist fulls of unreleased evidence, just waiting to pounce on anyone who commits perjury.

The Tullamarine Mosquito administration will absolutely shit their pants if this ever eventuates.
Oh please, dear lord... bring on a royal commision!
 

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Hahaha


Talk about clueless!
 

Snake_Baker

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Hahaha


Talk about clueless!
Please, please, please....................grant them a Royal Commission.
 

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Even they can't fix a Royal Commission.

A genuine Royal Commission would gut the AFL as we know it.
Yep, it couldn't possibly end well. It's noticeable that all the smart(er) people have conspicuously kept their mouths shut in this new round of noise. It's only dumbarses like Bruce Francis, Graham Cornes and Hird Snr who have run with this. I suspect that James has already made the "Dad, STFU" phone call.

Edit: and, of course, Jobe. Poor, simple Jobe.
 
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RC: What is the approximate timeline between when you dispatched your correspondence and this matter came to light publicly?
While proximity would suggest any correspondence would have been hand delivered. If a letter was posted, and this can be confirmed as posted, from a legal perspective its also considered delivered.
 

DesertRoo

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Even they can't fix a Royal Commission.

A genuine Royal Commission would gut the AFL as we know it.
depends on the scope of inquiry thats set out beforehand. They won’t be able to investigate anything outside that.

Robert would know not to ask for an inquiry without having all his ducks in a row... i just don’t trust everything being brought up again.
 
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depends on the scope of inquiry thats set out beforehand. They won’t be able to investigate anything outside that.

Robert would know not to ask for an inquiry without having all his ducks in a row... i just don’t trust everything being brought up again.
Yes, that's called the, "terms of reference".
 

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Whats the go with Brucey?

Maybe if he had put as much time and effort into his cricket as he has this affair, he might well have a better Test record. As it stands, little wonder he played so few Tests.

Batting and fielding averages
MatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR100504s6sCtSt
Tests350522710.4013737.95004010
First-class10919210618321033.971331420
List A50484132610730.1326110

Anyway he now warrants the honorary *brucey *francis title.
 

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