Certified Legendary Thread Sympathy for *essendon II - over 6500 days since EFC won a final / AC signs w NM, EFC implode / RIP D2D and T_S

[Firestarter]

Yeah Pumpkin Patch helps a lot of guys out.

Makes a full bus plenty less awkward.

 

[utility]

So Hird calls them (The AFL commission most likely) liars...
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[ozzyoslo]

beautiful !! Love it !!

 

[eldorado]

Not quite. The evidence coming out of *Essendon/Hird's Federal Court appeal was that the AFL tried to put in place a deal with ASADA that if the AFL made their investigative powers available to ASADA (the AFL's powers being greater than ASADA's by virtue of the terms of the contracts they have with players and clubs), then ASADA would buy the AFL into the process of what happened to the players and let the AFL have a say in that.

The AFL thought they had ASADA agreeing to that, and I suspect sold that line to *Essendon, but when push came to shove ASADA told the AFL in no uncertain terms that they weren't about to let any sporting organisation have a say in how they go about prosecuting breaches of the code.

As I understand it, this leaked recording is basically Gilligan telling *Essendon that ASADA isn't playing ball so all bets are off the table in terms of what happens to the players, and furthermore the only way to try and protect the players from prosecution is to have a show trial of *Essendon in which it gets smashed for bringing the game into disrepute, on the basis that if they do that then maybe ASADA will feel mollified that the appropriate responsible people have been punished enough and leave the players alone.

So the AFL whacked *Essendon, Hird et al, but ASADA went ahead and went after the players anyway. WADA came much later, however it is possible they had a say in ensuring ASADA didn't buy into the AFL's schemes (not sure about that)

IMO the AFL were completely naive in thinking they could influence ASADA into not prosecuting. Why on earth would a prosecutorial body like ASADA engage in such a gross conflict of interest and dereliction of duty? I agree with you however that when the AFL was talking to *Essendon about winning ASADA over, they honestly (but naively) thought they could pull it off.

Further, *Essendon was completely naive in thinking that the AFL could pull off a stunt like working ASADA over. I mean, they had lawyers all over this - where were those lawyers warning *Essendon that no matter what the AFL was saying to them, the likelihood that they could achieve what they were trying to achieve was pretty remote, and *Essendon shouldn't be relying on that happening?

Paul Little later lamented that if they knew at the start what they later knew, they never would have co-operated with the AFL/ASADA investigation. I accept this, up to a point. It is true to say that they co-operated, in that they made copious amounts of documents, emails, text messages etc etc available and made players and staff available to be interviewed, when they could have instead pulled all the stops to avoid having to do any of that and fought like cats and dogs to not have to (yes, their contracts with the AFL obliges them to, but there are always ways and means to fight about that and frustrate the process). However of course they didn't fully co-operate as it is blindingly obvious that the AFL/ASADA weren't provided with the good stuff, the real dirt about what really went on in 2012.

But at any rate, the point about Little's comment is that he was lamenting that early in the process *Essendon bought into the AFL's overtures that they could sweet talk ASADA, and "co-operated" in the hope and expectation that that would occur. Little wasn't involved at that point in time. I see him as almost saying "I could have told you so" - he knew that it was a mistake (and it was) to believe in the AFL and co-operate, and that *Essendon would have been better off fighting the process and making life difficult for both the AFL and ASADA.

It's all a bit embarrassing. The AFL come out of this as a bunch of hamfisted wannabe manipulating muppets (holy moly news flash for no one!) and *Essendon come out as being a combination of dishonest, guilty as sin, immoral and completely naive. They honestly thought that through the AFL there was a way to avoid any scrutiny, and had the gall to complain when that didn't materialise. Then - even better - Little laments that by doing so, *Essendon missed a golden opportunity to take the approach of every white collar criminal ever - dent everything, co-operate with nothing, refuse to hand over anything (that they couldn't shred in advance) and litigate, litigate, litigate until they give up in exasperation. Eventually that became the exact strategy they adopted in the Federal Court, but by that time they had co-operated enough that ASADA had enough dirt to hang the players. Too Little, too late.

TL;DR - hahahaha suck on it Bombers flogs.

Not a word wasted or wrong...

 

[Jade]

Not a word wasted or wrong...

They tend to be a lot better at that here...

Stunningly, nowhere near as insecure as others.

 

[eldorado]

They tend to be a lot better at that here...

Stunningly, nowhere near as insecure as others.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Oh yeah?

Well you're small.

You should feel bad.

Fair enough, just don't call us Little.

 

[Egga]

Hehehehe

* thought it all was all over. But it isn't. It's still going on and it's just so funny!

 

[Horace]

Caro weighs in. Nice article, but obviously off the mark *bomber fans would say.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-20170224-gukxno.html

 

[Jade]

Caro weighs in. Nice article, but obviously off the mark *bomber fans would say.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-20170224-gukxno.html

Nah Essendon fans would say she's a pigdog.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Caro weighs in. Nice article, but obviously off the mark *bomber fans would say.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-20170224-gukxno.html

Absolutely spor on.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Nah Essendon fans would say she's a pigdog.

A very astute and correct pigdog, though.

 

[Jade]

A very astute and correct pigdog, though.

Hahaha... you mean Mexico, no wait New Mexico, no wait Mexico pigdog?

Or perhaps the pigdog that said Hird has been sacked, no wait is being sacked, no wait will be sacked?

Please, don't insult your own intelligence praising that imbecile, working for a dying brand.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Hahaha... you mean Mexico, no wait New Mexico, no wait Mexico pigdog?

Or perhaps the pigdog that said Hird has been sacked, no wait is being sacked, no wait will be sacked?

Please, don't insult your own intelligence praising that imbecile, working for a dying brand.

It must hurt you so much that she hits the nail 100% on the head with this article then?

 

[Jade]

It must hurt you so much that she hits the nail 100% on the head with this article then?

I haven't even read it; stopped reading the desperate click bait crap at Fairfax years ago - genuinely giggled when people started losing their jobs at that failure.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

I haven't even read it; stopped reading the desperate click bait crap at Fairfax years ago - genuinely giggled when people started losing their jobs at that failure.

Bit like we were laughing when *Hirdy and Bomber and Corcs and Evo were losing theirs.

It's fun isn't it.

 

[Jade]

Bit like we were laughing when *Hirdy and Bomber and Corcs and Evo were losing theirs.

It's fun isn't it.

Yeah, good time all round.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Yeah, good time all round.

Glad we agree on something.

 

[Nutjob]

Hahaha... you mean Mexico, no wait New Mexico, no wait Mexico pigdog?

Or perhaps the pigdog that said Hird has been sacked, no wait is being sacked, no wait will be sacked?

Please, don't insult your own intelligence praising that imbecile, working for a dying brand.

He was sacked


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[Jade]

He was sacked


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Was he?

 

[Horace]

Was he?

Who cares. He's gone.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

It must hurt you so much that she hits the nail 100% on the head with this article then?

In that article, she reminded me of another irony that is fun to laugh at. James* was paid $1 million for being, at best, incompetent. He* paid most of that lazy mill to Amendola and his mates, who were, at best, incompetent.

Cheers, *.

 

[Nutjob]

Was he?

Sorry forgot everything was a conspiracy


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[Jade]

Sorry forgot everything was a conspiracy


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No I think you forgot the magic of a search engine.

 

[Egga]

I haven't even read it; stopped reading the desperate click bait crap at Fairfax years ago - genuinely giggled when people started losing their jobs at that failure.

So you put your head in the sand and pretended it wasn't happening. Well, how very surprising. In fact, I'm shocked to be sitting here.