Syria 2012 - the year of blood

[medusala]

http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/terrorism-the-other-religions.html?fb_ref=Default

I don’t figure that Muslims killed more than a 2 million people or so in political violence in the entire twentieth century, and that mainly in the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988 and the Soviet and post-Soviet wars in Afghanistan, for which Europeans bear some blame (the secular nationalist Young Turks also committed genocide against the Armenians during an invasion of eastern Anatolia by Russia).
Compare that to the Christian European tally of, oh, lets say 100 million (16 million in WW I, 60 million in WW II– though some of those were attributable to Buddhists in Asia– and millions more in colonial wars.)​

Lol, Soviet Union were rabid Christians. And Japanese are all bhuddist?

meds, what is it about marc dutroux and greyhound racing?

Difference between Belgians and greyhounds is the latter waits for the hare.

Dutch were up there too, didn't mind giving the Gestapo a helping hand.

And the French, well I think we all know how that record plays..

 

[blackcat]

Difference between Belgians and greyhounds is the latter waits for the hare.

is the spelling error in the transliteration and interpretation. I can help you with that

 

[MaddAdam]

And the French, well I think we all know how that record plays..

Not even waiting for the bodies in Paris to get cold.

 

[medusala]

Not even waiting for the bodies in Paris to get cold.

To be fair to the French they woke up well before most about the issues of militant Islam, they warned the Poms years ago who ignored them.

They have learned that appeasement doesn't work. Pity so many in Australia (and the UK) cant grasp that.

 

[Galaxy]

I don't really want refugees near me because any of them can potentially be a terrorist but it's a risk that you take with everyone who isn't from Australia.

I just don't know because then I hear things like this from people:

ISIS have just set up a Chemical Weapons branch, yet there's still terrorist helpers out there wanting to turn the millions of Syrian refugee's back home where they have no choice but to join ISIS or die at the hands of them. You guys are going to create a big problem in the future. And I hope you're the first to feel it.

 

[jumpinjimmy]

It looks as if there is going to be a 'race to Raqqa' in order to take control of the Oil fields that lie in Northern Syria. IS is kaputski. Their leaders are scattering to the 4 winds....well: Turkey Iraq, the 'Stans' and of course - due to their imbecilic 'open door' policy - Europe. Russia has taken the fight to these MIC thugs
with a massive and growing bombing campaign and the prospect of 150,000 very large and prepared boots on the ground:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...aqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military

I had to laugh at the psycho-bitch Hilary Clinton saying that we had to now accept a limited compromise with Assad....LLLLOOOOLLLL. The exact opposite of what she was saying up till.....let's see.....oh that's right...Russia entered the fray If you wan't to consider a historical precedent to this scenario - think end of WW2 and Berlin, only this time the yanks will get jackshite.

 

[smokingjacket]

I don't really want refugees near me because any of them can potentially be a terrorist but it's a risk that you take with everyone who isn't from Australia.

I just don't know because then I hear things like this from people:

Wrong thread.

We're discussing the machinations of a horrific civil war, not the pedantry of your living arrangements.

Plenty of places you can gripe about refugees.

 

[Galaxy]

Wrong thread.

We're discussing the machinations of a horrific civil war, not the pedantry of your living arrangements.

Plenty of places you can gripe about refugees.

Link

 

[smokingjacket]

Link

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/stop-the-boats-5k-a-head.1033285/

Most active thread on it.

The terrorism thread stickied at the top of SRP is more appropriate too considering you're linking refugees to terrorism.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-terrorism-files.1078272/

 

[jumpinjimmy]

While the US puppet masters scramble behind the scenes in order to ameliorate their complicity....Russia acts:

http://sputniknews.com/us/20151120/1030483762/us-isil-oil-targets.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ian-air-force-destroys-dozens-isis-oil-trucks

https://www.rt.com/news/322881-russia-cruise-missiles-isis/

Meanwhile, the MIC propaganda arm is in full-swing:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43492.htm

And on that subject....the ZBC and 'Hitler' channel (formerly ABC & SBS)....have been shown up for the Zio/US mouthpieces they have always been during this crisis. The constant parading of US experts and their Australian quislings without the slightest reference to the sacrifices being made by the Russians, SAA, Hezbollah etc is a disgrace. The sooner we de-fund this rabble the better.

 

[awaremind]

While the US puppet masters scramble behind the scenes in order to ameliorate their complicity....Russia acts:

http://sputniknews.com/us/20151120/1030483762/us-isil-oil-targets.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ian-air-force-destroys-dozens-isis-oil-trucks

https://www.rt.com/news/322881-russia-cruise-missiles-isis/

Meanwhile, the MIC propaganda arm is in full-swing:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43492.htm

And on that subject....the ZBC and 'Hitler' channel (formerly ABC & SBS)....have been shown up for the Zio/US mouthpieces they have always been during this crisis. The constant parading of US experts and their Australian quislings without the slightest reference to the sacrifices being made by the Russians, SAA, Hezbollah etc is a disgrace. The sooner we de-fund this rabble the better.

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Just look at this PBS piece where they talk about targeting oil tankers and how they have done it, but can only show russian footage of trucks being destroyed, then go on to make excuses as to why they are not targeting oil supplies more. They are really confused about what they are doing.

 

[jumpinjimmy]

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Just look at this PBS piece where they talk about targeting oil tankers and how they have done it, but can only show russian footage of trucks being destroyed, then go on to make excuses as to why they are not targeting oil supplies more. They are really confused about what they are doing.

Spot on with the PBS analysis....but I can assure you they are not confused..just shifting their position as this bloke corners them:

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/putin-shares-intel-g20-exposing-isis-financed-40-countries/

 

[jumpinjimmy]

I know there are Sunni's who have been persecuted by Daesh, but the most persecuted of the populations in Syria should be looked after first: Secularists, Christians, Shia, Yazidis, Kurds etc.....They must make up the overwhelming majority of the 12000 mooted refugees and bugger the 'blowback' from Sunni Australians and their supporters. Sunni's wanting to escape Syria can be looked after by their brethren in Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc.....

 

[MaddAdam]

To be fair to the French they woke up well before most about the issues of militant Islam, they warned the Poms years ago who ignored them.

They have learned that appeasement doesn't work. Pity so many in Australia (and the UK) cant grasp that.

The Brits welcomed jihadist types in the 90s. "Londonistan" the French called it.

 

[jumpinjimmy]

The Brits welcomed jihadist types in the 90s. "Londonistan" the French called it.

The maniacs are fleeing and believe the Kurds are the lesser of all evils:

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151123/1030560554/isil-jihadists-surrender.html

Germany alone has 200 'returnees' already with 600 still killing innocents in the M/E. Merkel the globalist fool will roll over once again and Germany will be screwed.

We cannot allow these bastards (any Jihadi's of Australians origin) back into the country..Build prisons (the yanks are good at that) in Kurdistan and let them work and repay the damage they have done to Syria and Iraq for the rest of their lives. In fact I'd love to put Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the Neocons in there with them....not practical I know but I live in hope...

BTW I am not Cory Bernadi......but I am in agreeance with him on this issue.

 

[MaddAdam]

Yeah, but putting them all in jail together is what led us here.

Camp Bucca yo.

 

[medusala]

The Brits welcomed jihadist types in the 90s. "Londonistan" the French called it.

Yes, see location under my avatar. Blair was repeatedly warned by the French supposedly but thought it was ok (VOTES) because there was an implicit agreement that nothing would happen on UK soil. The UK really has got itself in a mess and cant quite work out how to respond, quite amazing that Blair brought in detention without trial.

 

[MaddAdam]

Yes, see location under my avatar. Blair was repeatedly warned by the French supposedly but thought it was ok (VOTES) because there was an implicit agreement that nothing would happen on UK soil. The UK really has got itself in a mess and cant quite work out how to respond, quite amazing that Blair brought in detention without trial.

I thought you'd taken it from the title of that horrible Melanie Philips book.

 

[medusala]

I thought you'd taken it from the title of that horrible Melanie Philips book.

Haven't read it. Have read a few of her articles, not that many. She is probably a bit better than the Daily Mail but not hugely. Cant think of many UK journos that write really well on foreign affairs off the top of my head. Is the Finkster still floating about?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The s**t might be about to hit the fan. The Russian MoD has confirmed they've lost an Su-24. Turkey claims they shot it down, but did not confirm it as Russian.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKBN0TD0IR20151124


...Turkish presidential sources said the warplane was a Russian-made SU-24. The Turkish military, which did not confirm the plane's origin, said it had been warned 10 times in the space of five minutes about violating Turkish airspace.

Russia's defence ministry said one of its fighter jets had been downed in Syria, apparently after coming under fire from the ground, but said it could prove the plane was over Syria for the duration of its flight, Interfax news agency reported.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was briefed by the head of the military, while Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu ordered consultations with NATO, the United Nations and related countries, their respective offices said.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said the warplane crashed in a mountainous area in the northern countryside of Latakia province, where there had been aerial bombardment earlier and where pro-government forces have been battling insurgents on the ground.

and

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983

The Russian defence ministry confirmed on Tuesday morning that a Russian Su-24 had "crashed on Syrian territory, having been hit from the ground" while it was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft).

"Efforts are being made to ascertain what happened to the pilots. According to preliminary reports, the pilots have managed to self-eject," the ministry was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

The ministry stressed that "throughout its flight, the aircraft remained exclusively above Syrian territory", adding: "Objective monitoring data shows it."

This is exactly the kind of incident that many have feared since Russia launched its air operations in Syria. The dangers of operating near to the Turkish border have been all too apparent. Turkish planes have already shot down at least one Syrian air force jet and possibly a helicopter as well.

Russia insists that its warplane did not violate Turkish air space. So, was the Russian pilot's navigation wrong? Questions will also be asked about the readiness of the Turks to open fire...

...Qatar-based Al Jazeera TV quoted an ethnic Turkmen rebel group as saying it had captured one of the Su-24's two pilots and were "looking for the other".

Russian military helicopters were searching for the pilots near the crash site, Turkey's Dogan news agency reported.

Russian aircraft have flown hundreds of sorties over northern Syria since September. Moscow says they have targeted only "terrorists", but activists say its strikes have mainly hit Western-backed rebel groups.

Turkey, a vehement opponent of Syria's president, has warned against violations of its airspace by Russian and Syrian aircraft.

Last month, Ankara said Turkish F-16s had intercepted a Russian jet that crossed its border and two Turkish jets had been harassed by an unidentified Mig-29.

The Turkish foreign ministry also summoned the Russian ambassador last week to warn him that there would be "serious consequences" if the Russian air force did not immediately stop bombing "civilian Turkmen villages" in Latakia province...

 

[TropperFarquhar]

World War 3?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

World War 3?

Not quite yet. Depends on how the Russians react. Will they start arming the PKK/YPG more robustly? They'd have to work that s**t out with Assad's government too - Syria's Kurds aren't the greatest of friends with the current Syrian government nor Turkey.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Heh. Already a thread about it! Guess I missed it

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet.1118116/#post-42098634

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

NATO is going to hold an emergency meeting at Turkey's request.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ncy-meeting-after-turkey-makes-urgent/6652754

NATO will today hold an emergency meeting in Brussels in response to an urgent call from Turkey.

It's only the fifth time in history that such a meeting has been called—under Article 4—where member countries can request assistance if they believe their territorial integrity and security are being threatened...

 

[The_Reaper]

So based on Turkey's own released radar the Russian jet was in their airspace for like 15 seconds?