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SA TIGER said:
I have noticed a concerning rate of broken tackles by our boys in the first couple of Rounds.
Perhaps we struggle that little bit more against the older and more mature clubs?
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Too many half-hearted, one-armed attempts, don't wrap up the ball enough - also I believe we don't watch the hips of our opponents and that's why we seem to get side-stepped & given the run-around so easily and so often. Hip movement is usually the first thing that indicates which way an opponent's going to go.
 

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Definitely an area of concern, good sides put on heaps of frontal pressure so there is more opportunities to lay tackles. Houli was on Garlets and Malera, you'd expect him to have at least one tacke to his name. It wasn't through good carralling either, just simple poor defence, and hasn't offered much the other way. In the big games Vlastuin would be most certainly an upgrade on Houli IMO. Vlastuin would give 5 tackles a game and win his own ball.
 
NUFC Tiger said:
I'll be interested to see how we go against a heavy contested focus team as there will be times when we need to go head to head with our opponents and need to match their intensity and defensive work.
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We are going to find out this week as this is the one area the Dogs excell at & what McCartney prides his game on.We better come ready to play & TACKLE with plenty of defensive pressure.
We also need to close down Libba & Cooney who seems to be running into form.
 
tigerT said:
Need to lift bigtime,
Why were the bummers able to stick 61 tackles against melbourne? Are people going to suggest we dominated possession more against the saints than they did against that joke of footy side?
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Great point!..We have started well with 2 wins but we should not kid ourselves we need to improve this area greatly.We need to step up our tackling & defensive pressure this week then another level again for the maggies & freo.
 
Got in before I made this thread. In fact the OP said almost exactly what I had planned. I was even going to post players' tackle counts.

Very concerning. I am worried our boys have got a bit ahead of themselves and are just thinking offensively now. We have never been a leader for tackles but always been ok under Hardwick, but been very good with our pressure and creating turnovers. I think we are running too far forward assuming we will win possession.

The other thing is our kicking has been down on last year so we are getting caught on the rebound a lot more and getting opened up which is why we would have less tackles. Not 20 a game less though. If we were winning the tackle count we would have won both games by 6-7 goals.

Pretty sure fox footy had a stat that if you win tackles, contested footy and disposal efficiency you win 97% of games or something.
 
Out of interest what were the opposition tackle stats compared to ours? Just watching the games they were very free flowing, open games. This may have something to do with it. I'll guarantee when we play a team that like to play a more contested style (Sydney etc...) the tackle count will double. Not because we suddenly became twice as good at tackling either. Stats can be misleading, not saying we can't improve it though!
 
THECHIEFTON said:
Out of interest what were the opposition tackle stats compared to ours? Just watching the games they were very free flowing, open games. This may have something to do with it. I'll guarantee when we play a team that like to play a more contested style (Sydney etc...) the tackle count will double. Not because we suddenly became twice as good at tackling either. Stats can be misleading, not saying we can't improve it though!
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V Carlton they had 49
V Saints they had 55

Your point is valid... v Sydney I know our count will be higher but I also reckon we have not made as many as we should have so far...
 

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I am not as perturbed by this stat as most on here. That fact we have the least amount of tackles also shows that we are getting to the ball first, and forcing the opposition to chase US!. And given how much we fell into a heap last year, in last quarters etc. I think it's part of our strategy to tire teams out, and grind over the top of them. Given our run and spread tactics, this seems like a fairly smart idea to me.
 
Grockadoc said:
I am not as perturbed by this stat as most on here. That fact we have the least amount of tackles also shows that we are getting to the ball first, and forcing the opposition to chase US!. And given how much we fell into a heap last year, in last quarters etc. I think it's part of our strategy to tire teams out, and grind over the top of them. Given our run and spread tactics, this seems like a fairly smart idea to me.
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I'm with you here. Not one bit worried about our tackling at the mo. First 2 games we have led the free kick count and been hard at it.
50/ 50 balls all seem fine .. Wouldn't know the stat though but we gave been very aggressive at the loose ball.
Keep it up Tigers.

Ps I forgot about Houli and Griggs they could do better
 
Tackling is a great barometer for a sides intensity, but it’s not the be all end all - as a few others have mentioned, there could be numerous reasons as to why our count is down. As long as we are winning the ball back from our opposition it’s not really that big a deal. If our intercept marks are also down (i.e once we turn the ball over they score) THEN we have an issue! Having said that, the Dogs pride themselves on their contested game so I’d expect us to match them this weekend in the tackle count.
 
Grockadoc said:
I am not as perturbed by this stat as most on here. That fact we have the least amount of tackles also shows that we are getting to the ball first, and forcing the opposition to chase US!. And given how much we fell into a heap last year, in last quarters etc. I think it's part of our strategy to tire teams out, and grind over the top of them. Given our run and spread tactics, this seems like a fairly smart idea to me.
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My goodness people can be selective! Can you please explain to me and others who feel the same how essendon had 61 to 35 tackles vs Melbourne. Quite clearly essendon were first to the ball all game and melbourne were chasing them!

Can you also explain how sydney who have had a soft draw against GWS and GC have dominated both games are the number 1 tackling side in the first 2 rounds. I understand we're 2 zip but the lengths some supporters will go to to convince themselves that everything is perfect is just extraordinary
 
We hold the record for most tackles in a game. What relevance does this have? Just about as much as the first 2 rounds have for the rest of the season.

Code: 
1. Richmond 142 2010 v PA
2. St Kilda 118 2009 v GE
3. Fremantle 118 2012 v RI
4. Port Adelaide 116 2010 v RI
5. St Kilda 115 2009 v HW
6. Geelong 113 2007 v BL
7. Brisbane Lions 111 2007 v GE
8. North Melbourne 111 2009 v
9. Sydney 111 2011 v WC
10. Brisbane Lions 111 2012 v GE
 
freezer said:
If we were at about 50-55 and near or at the bottom of the rankings I'd be a little worried but happy to see where it went....but averaging 40, 4 less than the Demons and 12 less than the 3rd worst team has to be a massive cause for concern regardless of what kind of game plan we're playing.
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Completely agree. Imo we want to be at around 70/80 per game but then i think our game plan resolves around uncontested footy, so stoppages are kept to a minimum. I think is too offensive and we need to be able to play a more 1 on 1 style either in the back half, with the midfield used for the spread or just over the whole ground etc, that finals footy is like.
 

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tigerT said:
My goodness people can be selective! Can you please explain to me and others who feel the same how essendon had 61 to 35 tackles vs Melbourne. Quite clearly essendon were first to the ball all game and melbourne were chasing them!

Can you also explain how sydney who have had a soft draw against GWS and GC have dominated both games are the number 1 tackling side in the first 2 rounds. I understand we're 2 zip but the lengths some supporters will go to to convince themselves that everything is perfect is just extraordinary
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I never said everything was perfect. You call me selective, but yet, you only look at stats that suit you, and not the whole equation. In the case of the Melbourne Essendon game, Melbourne couldn't hit a target all day. Essendon had 74 more marks than Melbourne, which will have an impact on the tackle count. If Essendon mark the footy, they can't be tackled, correct? The fact Melbourne had 74 less, means Essendon had 74 more opportunities to lay a tackle.

Sydney love to play congested footy. That is fact. They generate more stoppages than any other team. So of course they are going to have a higher tackle count, due to their game style. Add to the fact the GC game was played in rain, and the ball is slippery, tackling galore. Remember Port V Richmond in 2010 was a then record tackle count. It all depends on the conditions.

As I said, our gameplan isn't conducive of a high tackle count. We are never going to pull out 90+ tackle counts, unless it is absolutely torrential rain, etc. I am not worried about the overall tackle count. I am worried about the amount of missed tackles. Yes, we may have had 41 tackles, but we missed or had tackles broken at least 2 dozen times. Add about half onto that total, and we end up with 51, only 4 behind the Saints, and we were first to the ball.

Again I am not worried about our actual tackle numbers. We should be focusing on the Missed or Broken tackles stats.
 
Dusty Cotch said:
We are going to find out this week as this is the one area the Dogs excell at & what McCartney prides his game on.We better come ready to play & TACKLE with plenty of defensive pressure.
We also need to close down Libba & Cooney who seems to be running into form.
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Definitely right - they have been very good at the clearances and contested possessions so far. Think their midfield will give ours a good test but our strength in defence and dangerous trio of key talls should tip the game our way as we can stretch their defence.

That being said, we can't afford to drop this game at any cost and with a tough block of games coming up, we could use with some improved form leading into the following 3 big games against Collingwood, Freo and Geelong.
 
Saying 'we have the ball all the time and thus get less chance to lay tackles' is a flawed argument because IIRC an effective tackle is only counted if it leads to either a free kick for, a stoppage or a turnover. Therefore the sides with a higher possession count can easily also have a higher tackle count. Pressure wins you the ball back, it's as simple as that.

Two rounds in it's not a great area of concern but in the following weeks I'd expect a concerted effort to lift the amount of tackles we have per game.
 

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