Taking sides over Dark Emu

[Sainteric]

The Soros-funded socialist school system.

Soros is a certain religion/group that the left hate and discriminate against, try again or the Greens will throw you out of their cave.

The planets doomed, English texts with zero literary value but a lefty message, the west is evil, Iran and China the bastions of humanity.
Etc etc.

 

[CM86]

Soros is a certain religion/group that the left hate and discriminate against, try again or the Greens will throw you out of their cave.

The planets doomed, English texts with zero literary value but a lefty message, the west is evil, Iran and China the bastions of humanity.
Etc etc.

Do you actually believe that?

 

[Chief]

Soros is a certain religion/group that the left hate and discriminate against, try again or the Greens will throw you out of their cave.

The planets doomed, English texts with zero literary value but a lefty message, the west is evil, Iran and China the bastions of humanity.
Etc etc.

Thanks Q.

 

[ferball]

Do you actually believe that?

Replace believe with comprehend and you'll see where I'm at.

 

[Balls In]

So why wont old mate submit to a DNA test and clear up this ethenicity question once and for all?

 

[Chief]

So why wont old mate submit to a DNA test and clear up this ethenicity question once and for all?

Why do you think he should just do what some no-hoper bigots on the Internet want him to do?

What ethnicity are you?

 

[Balls In]

Why do you think he should just do what some no-hoper bigots on the Internet want him to do?

What ethnicity are you?

I'm not claiming contested indigenous heritage for material gain unlike Shane Martin and Pascoe. We have the technology to prove someones genetic makeup when dealing with such cases so why isn't it used?

 

[Chief]

I'm not claiming contested indigenous heritage for material gain unlike Shane Martin and Pascoe. We have the technology to prove someones genetic makeup when dealing with such cases so why isn't it used?

You're not claiming any of the indigenous bonanza? Aren't you interested in finding out so you can claim what you are owed? Get tested. I dare you.

 

[Balls In]

You're not claiming any of the indigenous bonanza? Aren't you interested in finding out so you can claim what you are owed? Get tested. I dare you.

You have gone down a tangent where I am wrong and bigotted to query those claiming indigenous heritage when they shouldn't. In my mind those people are unfairly diverting resources from others and in the case of Martin is compromising the soverignity of our borders. All I'm saying is that we are now seeing more cases where people are claiming disputed heritage, so why isn't DNA testing used to resolve that?

 

[Chief]

You have gone down a tangent where I am wrong and bigotted to query those claiming indigenous heritage when they shouldn't. In my mind those people are unfairly diverting resources from others and in the case of Martin is compromising the soverignity of our borders. All I'm saying is that we are now seeing more cases where people are claiming disputed heritage, so why isn't DNA testing used to resolve that?

Get tested. You could be RICH!

 

[Chief]

The theory is Dutch survivors from the Batavia shipwreck taught the locals some European farming techniques.

To support this you’ve got first hand accounts from journals, diaries and so on?

 

[EasternTiger]

To support this you’ve got first hand accounts from journals, diaries and so on?

Are you questioning the shipwreck happened?

Are you after evidence there were survivors?

Are you intrigued by the unusually high occurrence of Ellis-van-Creveld syndrome among some aboriginal groups, suggesting intermingling with Dutch before 1788?

Do you know one of Pascoe's sources is Rupert Gerritsen? One of Gerritsen's claims is the local indigenous language, Nhanda, is about 16% Dutch.

I'm not even going to get into the yams.

Have you read the book yet Biff? LOL who starts a thread about a book, proclaims everything in there is true, to suit a political agenda, and then admits he hasn't read the book?

You live in your own little internet fantasy land where everyone just agrees with you.

If you haven't read the book yet, spending 15 minutes to dig up references, quotes and page numbers would be, well...

 

[ferball]

Are you questioning the shipwreck happened?

Are you after evidence there were survivors?

Are you intrigued by the unusually high occurrence of Ellis-van-Creveld syndrome among some aboriginal groups, suggesting intermingling with Dutch before 1788?

Do you know one of Pascoe's sources is Rupert Gerritsen? One of Gerritsen's claims is the local indigenous language, Nhanda, is about 16% Dutch.

I'm not even going to get into the yams.

Have you read the book yet Biff? LOL who starts a thread about a book, proclaims everything in there is true, to suit a political agenda, and then admits he hasn't read the book?

You live in your own little internet fantasy land where everyone just agrees with you.

If you haven't read the book yet, spending 15 minutes to dig up references, quotes and page numbers would be, well...

You won't get into the Yams cos you know that their cultivation across the rest of the country might not fit with Gerritson's claims and you haven't mentioned the challenges to his theories on language that come from indigenous language experts.

Your claims are more speculative than Pascoe's.

 

[ferball]

You have gone down a tangent where I am wrong and bigotted to query those claiming indigenous heritage when they shouldn't. In my mind those people are unfairly diverting resources from others and in the case of Martin is compromising the soverignity of our borders. All I'm saying is that we are now seeing more cases where people are claiming disputed heritage, so why isn't DNA testing used to resolve that?

If those communities choose not to use those tests it's their business not yours and you should butt out.

 

[Balls In]

If those communities choose not to use those tests it's their business not yours and you should butt out.

Who the criminal deportee communities?

 

[Chief]

Are you questioning the shipwreck happened?

Are you after evidence there were survivors?

Are you intrigued by the unusually high occurrence of Ellis-van-Creveld syndrome among some aboriginal groups, suggesting intermingling with Dutch before 1788?

Do you know one of Pascoe's sources is Rupert Gerritsen? One of Gerritsen's claims is the local indigenous language, Nhanda, is about 16% Dutch.

I'm not even going to get into the yams.

Have you read the book yet Biff? LOL who starts a thread about a book, proclaims everything in there is true, to suit a political agenda, and then admits he hasn't read the book?

You live in your own little internet fantasy land where everyone just agrees with you.

If you haven't read the book yet, spending 15 minutes to dig up references, quotes and page numbers would be, well...

Who's Biff?

LOL fantasy land. Your YouTube'a'palooza of RWNJs is certainly a world of varied and nuanced opinions and evidence.

Take part or feck orf.

 

[Sainteric]

To support this you’ve got first hand accounts from journals, diaries and so on?

Has some photographed it, wrote it in Wikipedia and has it been ok'd by the commisars at the ALP?

To be honest some of the first people's history has much less evidence than Jesus being a historical figure. But that's ok as we should be critical of most history, and there is nothing wrong with an alternative view based in evidence.

The problem with things like Dark Emu is that the left want to believe it a religious absolute truth, and that criticism is not allowed.

 

[Sainteric]

Who's Biff?

LOL fantasy land. Your YouTube'a'palooza of RWNJs is certainly a world of varied and nuanced opinions and evidence.

Take part or feck orf.

There is your typical religious type answer

 

[Chief]

There is your typical religious type answer

And ET is as sincere as a priest answering "not guilty".

 

[ferball]

Who the criminal deportee communities?

You mean us, who founded a nation from criminal deportee communities?

I mean indigenous communities. If they choose not to make their DNA available then it's their business not yours.

 

[Chief]

Has some photographed it, wrote it in Wikipedia and has it been ok'd by the commisars at the ALP?

To be honest some of the first people's history has much less evidence than Jesus being a historical figure. But that's ok as we should be critical of most history, and there is nothing wrong with an alternative view based in evidence.

The problem with things like Dark Emu is that the left want to believe it a religious absolute truth, and that criticism is not allowed.

If there is criticism, it would be much more readily accepted if it was on a par with the original research and writing. Not an anonymous blog repeated by a RW media troll.

But we get people presenting that criticism as gospel and claiming that rejection of such weak or open-ended arguments is lefty commie pinko lezzo SJW virtue signalling.

For instance, there has been posted here rejection of the idea of grain cultivation. Reading the book it's a lot more than just one report of grasses being pulled up and stacked. There is more evidence presented of land management, seed selection, seed trading, and I haven't even read the whole book.

Attacking one piece of evidence as if it is the whole argument is weaksauce.

The fervent hostility over a book published 6 years ago has interested me and a ton of other people to go out and buy it.

It's a story told through the lens of written and oral evidence, none of which has been shown to be false. There might be disagreements about the interpretation of the evidence, but the emotive, personal language used by conservatives (made up in total by Bolt and some anonymous Quadrantistas) disagreeing with the content and attacking the author is telling. Return fire draws more outrage like "see? see? it IZ lefty nonserns!!!111"

 

[ferball]

Has some photographed it, wrote it in Wikipedia and has it been ok'd by the commisars at the ALP?

To be honest some of the first people's history has much less evidence than Jesus being a historical figure. But that's ok as we should be critical of most history, and there is nothing wrong with an alternative view based in evidence.

The problem with things like Dark Emu is that the left want to believe it a religious absolute truth, and that criticism is not allowed.

Get your criticism right and well judge it on its merits.

Most of the commentary on Dark Emu has been a non stop sook fest about anything but the content of the book. The actual criticism centres around one website and the work of one academic. That work isn't settled or accepted yet either.

 

[Sainteric]

Get your criticism right and well judge it on its merits.

Most of the commentary on Dark Emu has been a non stop sook fest about anything but the content of the book. The actual criticism centres around one website and the work of one academic. That work isn't settled or accepted yet either.

No you won't because it's not PC to criticise it.

Like many here that look at ideology first and try to make the facts fit. I have admitted I haven't read the book, but some of the claims seem far fetched, and it's not an area I have a great deal of knowledge. Having said that I wouldn't believe it as gospel fact like many in this thread have just because they want to be true and it fits their natative.

 

[Balls In]

You mean us, who founded a nation from criminal deportee communities?

I mean indigenous communities. If they choose not to make their DNA available then it's their business not yours.

I'm specifically not talking about indigenous communities. I'm talking about people claiming to be indigenous but aren't. People like the criminals born overseas who have been deported and are now saying they are indigenous.

 

[ferball]

No you won't because it's not PC to criticise it.

Like many here that look at ideology first and try to make the facts fit. I have admitted I haven't read the book, but some of the claims seem far fetched, and it's not an area I have a great deal of knowledge. Having said that I wouldn't believe it as gospel fact like many in this thread have just because they want to be true because it fits their natative.

I haven't read it either. But I've come across the claims that people say are made in it for decades. Had many conversations with exasperated blackfellas about why Australia sees them as simple, primitive and unsophisticated when they weren't.

That's what this controversy is really all about.

People who don't want to give up that world view having a sook about it.