Rumour Tales from the Henley Beach Cafe 2: Crows 2021 Rumours

[Mutineer]

I know a guy who does scouting for an AFL club, and he reckons they would take Callaghan at pick 1 ahead of Horne.

Callaghan has shown more traits of commanding a midfield, like Sam Walsh, Horne yet to really show that. This is his reasoning.


One of the differences between the u/18s comp in Vic and our elite kids playing Senior SANFL Footy.




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He really said that?

At NAB League level Callaghan has only had a little exposure to midfield at NAB League unless you're classing wing as midfield.

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere else but he did win the Sandy Dragons B & F but not by a big margin.

Finn Callaghan takes out Sandringham Best and Fairest

www.sandringhamdragons.com.au

Top ten:
1: Finn Callaghan – 76 votes
2: Luke Cleary – 69 votes
3: Lachie Benton – 65 votes
4: Charlie McKay – 61 votes
5: Blake Howes: 44 votes
6: Lachie Riley: 35 votes
7: Luca Macnab: 27 votes
8: Max Heath: 26 votes
9: Mitch Owens: 23 votes
= 10th: Josh Sinn and Campbell Chesser: 14 votes

Other award winners:

Coaches award: Blake Howes
Most Improved Player: Mitch Owens
Honest efforts award: Charlie McKay
Fiercest Dragon: Liam Hayes
Mark of the year: Caleb Lewis
Goal of the year: Tom Blamires

 

[DJ75]

Just completely throwing something left field out there, but, what if we threw a combination of our 2022 1st and Fog at North and GC and saw if it grabbed their attention? Fog has shown bits, some real potential and might attract some real interest. He also might not ever actually become a reliable key forward.

It would be a risk for both sides of the trade, and would be a bold move, but if the player we get (whether JHF or Callaghan) becomes a dominant midfielder, it could be well worth it.

Not saying we should or would, just throwing something out there.

 

[BunjiMac]

Really hope we get Fin Callaghan absolutely what we need 189 cm still growing inside outside agile athletic

im sure that’s why we trying get GC pick 3.

maybe 4 for Hobbs. 2 top line midfielders in one draft set us up nicely

or maybe still trying get horne pic 3 and 4 for 1

going to be interesting trade period

I'd take Callaghan in a second if he was available, but how do you know he's still growing?

Doesn't seem to have the aerial game or explosiveness that JHF has, but seems to have more composure.

He will also be a big unit which is the sort of variety we need.

We still need that breakaway speed in our midfield that Nick's has talked about though.

 

[Danger Zone]

Any rumours of us looking at any current players, besides Dawson of course? List spots obviously tight but wouldn't be shocked if we had a second player as a target.

 

[Chase13]

I'd take Callaghan in a second if he was available, but how do you know he's still growing?

Doesn't seem to have the aerial game or explosiveness that JHF has, but seems to have more composure.

He will also be a big unit which is the sort of variety we need.

We still need that breakaway speed in our midfield that Nick's has talked about though.

on north board they too see fin as potential 1 with no go home factor but I fear if we can’t get pick 3 we will miss out on both

operation get pic 3

I suspect if we miss out on those two it be Hobbs or ward

we need Finn more in the makeup of our midfield

 

[Geoffa32]

He really said that?

At NAB League level Callaghan has only had a little exposure to midfield at NAB League unless you're classing wing as midfield.

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere else but he did win the Sandy Dragons B & F but not by a big margin.

Finn Callaghan takes out Sandringham Best and Fairest

www.sandringhamdragons.com.au

Top ten:
1: Finn Callaghan – 76 votes
2: Luke Cleary – 69 votes
3: Lachie Benton – 65 votes
4: Charlie McKay – 61 votes
5: Blake Howes: 44 votes
6: Lachie Riley: 35 votes
7: Luca Macnab: 27 votes
8: Max Heath: 26 votes
9: Mitch Owens: 23 votes
= 10th: Josh Sinn and Campbell Chesser: 14 votes

Other award winners:

Coaches award: Blake Howes
Most Improved Player: Mitch Owens
Honest efforts award: Charlie McKay
Fiercest Dragon: Liam Hayes
Mark of the year: Caleb Lewis
Goal of the year: Tom Blamires

He did.

Might be more what they see in the player rather than exposure. I don't know.


Could also be a bit of the "risk" in picking an SA kid at pick 1.

Rankine and Luko have not developed worthy of being picks 2 and 3.



I do wonder if there isva bit of thinking Horne is a bit "flashy" and will struggle with the grind of AFL Footy.

Like Rankine.

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[Geoffa32]

I really don't want to trade away pick 4, just in case (unlikely) Horne or Callaghan or even Hobbs is still available.

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[Chase13]

I really don't want to trade away pick 4, just in case (unlikely) Horne or Callaghan or even Hobbs is still available.

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who gws take pick 2. Could not be another midfielder what we think

 

[Mutineer]

He did.

Might be more what they see in the player rather than exposure. I don't know.


Could also be a bit of the "risk" in picking an SA kid at pick 1.

Rankine and Luko have not developed worthy of being picks 2 and 3.



I do wonder if there isva bit of thinking Horne is a bit "flashy" and will struggle with the grind of AFL Footy.

Like Rankine.

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Horne flashy, surely your not serious, if you want to talk flashy that is way, way closer to the mark with Finn Callaghan actually.

Have you seen Callaghan play?

 

[Chase13]

who gws take pick 2. Could not be another midfielder what we think

does trade radio start monday

 

[Chase13]

Horne flashy, surely your not serious, if you want to talk flashy that is way, way closer to the mark with Finn Callaghan actually.

Have you seen Callaghan play?

agreed

sure crows want 3 for Finn not Horne

 

[Geoffa32]

Horne flashy, surely your not serious, if you want to talk flashy that is way, way closer to the mark with Finn Callaghan actually.

Have you seen Callaghan play?

Nope. I don't watch much junior Footy anymore, hence I generally don't add much on the subject.

As I said, relaying what I have been told by an SA based scout for an AFL club.




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[Mutineer]

agreed

sure crows want 3 for Finn not Horne

Mate I recall your posting in last year's draft thread, you were sure we were taking about a half a dozen players at different times and from memory I'm not sure Thilrhorpe was one of them.

 

[Mutineer]

Nope. I don't watch much junior Footy anymore, hence I generally don't add much on the subject.

As I said, relaying what I have been told by an SA based scout for an AFL club.




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Horne can do flashy things certainly, mostly aerially but he's right up there with the very best of the hard at it contested ball winners in this draft and his defensive pressure and 2 way running are unquestioned.

 

[Crow till I die]

I'd take Callaghan in a second if he was available, but how do you know he's still growing?

Doesn't seem to have the aerial game or explosiveness that JHF has, but seems to have more composure.

He will also be a big unit which is the sort of variety we need.

We still need that breakaway speed in our midfield that Nick's has talked about though.

Just an aside. Callaghan is blood related to luke beveridge and is a life long bulldogs fan iirc. Like a few others have pointed out picking him we would want to be bloody sure he is not likely to stay 2 years then want out

 

[dogs105]

…McAsey? I hope you’re right. I’m not seeing it at the moment.

I hope I am too

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Just an aside. Callaghan is blood related to luke beveridge and is a life long bulldogs fan iirc. Like a few others have pointed out picking him we would want to be bloody sure he is not likely to stay 2 years then want out

Also, why are people saying we're trying to work our way up to Pick 3 to get Callaghan, surely he goes to GWS

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Also, why are people saying we're trying to work our way up to Pick 3 to get Callaghan, surely he goes to GWS

Why is that ....because of some amateur draft watchers power ratings ??

They're not the Clubs ratings, nor are they necessarily the Clubs needs ......If for example MELB with Gawn and Jackson have a pick ....would they take the best available player, a ruckman, or a different player ......history says it's the latter

Clubs do not always take best available in the 1st round

 

[Crow till I die]

Also, why are people saying we're trying to work our way up to Pick 3 to get Callaghan, surely he goes to GWS

I'd be a bit wary if Callaghan slips past GWS and GC. I mean sure they may have rated others higher but again, if we are strongly considering him, the due diligence would have to be of the highest order. Now in saying that, maybe once a kid like that gets into our system under Nicks who it can not be disputed has turned the culture of our footy club around, they might really buy in and the flight risk becomes less. But my point is with his links, just make sure as much as is possible every I is dotted and every T is crossed

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Why is that ....because of some amateur draft watchers power ratings ??

They're not the Clubs ratings, nor are they necessarily the Clubs needs ......If for example MELB with Gawn and Jackson have a pick ....would they take the best available player, a ruckman, or a different player ......history says it's the latter

Clubs do not always take best available in the 1st round

Because 99% of the time, as is backed up by previous drafts, clubs usually draft on pure talent in the top 10, and generally go for list 'needs' outside of the 1st round.

It's almost universally accepted that there's a top 4 this draft in terms of talent: JHF, Daicos, Darcy and Callaghan, throwing a blanket over the next half-dozen or so..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Because 99% of the time, as is backed up by previous drafts, clubs usually draft on pure talent in the top 10, and generally go for list 'needs' outside of the 1st round.

Nah I don't believe this ......if there's a standout few that are "franchise" players like a Reiwoldt, King ....then yes Clubs take no matter what

But I don't believe your cliche applies to every Draft

This year, not sure there are any "Franchise" players in the top 4 players ......now history may show differently, and history may show that players taken in the teens will be greater players

How many of these #1 Drafted Players ended up Club Franchise players .....or even their clubs best player over their careers ?
Sure quite a few are/were still good players ....but many of the great players ; Dangerfield, Fyfe, Macrae, Oliver, Steele , were taken later

2005​	Marc Murphy	Carlton	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup
2006​	Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL
2007​	Matthew Kreuzer	Carlton	Northern Knights	TAC Cup
2008​	Jack Watts	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2009​	Tom Scully	Melbourne	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2010​	David Swallow	Gold Coast	East Fremantle Football Club	WAFL
2011​	Jonathon Patton	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2012​	Lachie Whitfield	Greater Western Sydney	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2013​	Tom Boyd	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2014​	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2015​	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2016​	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2017​	Cameron Rayner	Brisbane Lions	Western Jets	TAC Cup
2018​	Sam Walsh	Carlton	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2019​	Matthew Rowell	Gold Coast	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2020​	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	Western Bulldogs	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'd be a bit wary if Callaghan slips past GWS and GC. I mean sure they may have rated others higher but again, if we are strongly considering him, the due diligence would have to be of the highest order. Now in saying that, maybe once a kid like that gets into our system under Nicks who it can not be disputed has turned the culture of our footy club around, they might really buy in and the flight risk becomes less. But my point is with his links, just make sure as much as is possible every I is dotted and every T is crossed

Just asking, if that top echelon of players is so good, why would GC consider trading out #3 ?

GWS's need IMO is KPP and 3rd talls ....their midfield is well covered, Callaghan plays like Kelly

 

[Crow till I die]

Just asking, if that top echelon of players is so good, why would GC consider trading out #3 ?

GWS's need IMO is KPP and 3rd talls ....their midfield is well covered, Callaghan plays like Kelly

GC have been hawking that pick for a ready made player though..the age old problem they have getting high end current AFL players to head up there

 

[Mutineer]

Nah I don't believe this ......if there's a standout few that are "franchise" players like a Reiwoldt, King ....then yes Clubs take no matter what

But I don't believe your cliche applies to every Draft

This year, not sure there are any "Franchise" players in the top 4 players ......now history may show differently, and history may show that players taken in the teens will be greater players

How many of these #1 Drafted Players ended up Club Franchise players .....or even their clubs best player over their careers ?
Sure quite a few are/were still good players ....but many of the great players ; Dangerfield, Fyfe, Macrae, Oliver, Steele , were taken later

2005​	Marc Murphy	Carlton	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup
2006​	Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL
2007​	Matthew Kreuzer	Carlton	Northern Knights	TAC Cup
2008​	Jack Watts	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2009​	Tom Scully	Melbourne	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2010​	David Swallow	Gold Coast	East Fremantle Football Club	WAFL
2011​	Jonathon Patton	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2012​	Lachie Whitfield	Greater Western Sydney	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2013​	Tom Boyd	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2014​	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2015​	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2016​	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2017​	Cameron Rayner	Brisbane Lions	Western Jets	TAC Cup
2018​	Sam Walsh	Carlton	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2019​	Matthew Rowell	Gold Coast	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2020​	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	Western Bulldogs	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League

Afraid I can't see where that list you've put applies to your argument, are you saying the head recruiters that selected them didn't think they were the best player in that draft, they may have got it wrong certainly but I'd be very surprised if their recruiting team didn't have them on top of their talent board.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

GC have been hawking that pick for a ready made player though..the age old problem they have getting high end current AFL players to head up there

I'm not seeing a high-end player though, that's available & worth #3 ?

What type of player are they looking for .....Mid, KPP ?