List Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

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Didn't seem to be a thread dedicated to actually discussing the state of our list, so here it is.

So whilst we still have a couple of small changes to make (delistings/draftees), generally speaking I thought now would be a good time to actually start having a look at the make up of our list, age profile, where we have strengths/deficiencies etc etc.

So I came up with the following list of our players:

Name Games Age DOB Height Position Status List Rank
Heppell, Dyson 84 22 14/05/1992 189 Midfielder 1-Lock 1
Watson, Jobe 188 30 8/02/1985 191 Midfielder 1-Lock 2
Hooker, Cale 111 26 13/10/1988 197 Key Defender 1-Lock 3
Goddard, Brendon 247 29 20/05/1985 189 Midfielder 1-Lock 4
Hibberd, Michael 63 25 3/01/1990 187 Half-Back 1-Lock 5
Hurley, Michael 100 24 1/06/1990 195 Key Defender 1-Lock 6
Carlisle, Jake 68 23 1/10/1991 200 Key Forward 1-Lock 7
Bellchambers, Tom 69 25 9/07/1989 202 Ruck 1-Lock 8
Zaharakis, David 110 25 21/02/1990 185 Midfielder 1-Lock 9
Winderlich, Jason 128 30 10/10/1984 188 Small Forward 1-Lock 10
Fletcher, Dustin 393 39 7/05/1975 198 Key Defender 1-Lock 11
Chapman, Paul 271 33 5/11/1981 179 Small Forward 1-Lock 12
Daniher, Joe 26 21 4/03/1994 201 Key Forward 1-Lock 13
Cooney, Adam 219 29 30/09/1985 185 Midfielder 1-Lock 14
Merrett, Zachary 20 19 3/10/1995 180 Small Forward 1-Lock 15
Myers, David 83 25 30/06/1989 191 Midfielder 2-Senior 16
Baguley, Mark 50 27 21/05/1987 181 Half-Back 2-Senior 17
Dempsey, Courtenay 106 27 28/08/1987 187 Half-Back 2-Senior 18
Hocking, Heath 119 27 27/12/1987 186 Midfielder 2-Senior 19
Colyer, Travis 46 23 24/08/1991 175 Midfielder 2-Senior 20
Giles, Jonathan 51 27 8/01/1988 200 Ruck 2-Senior 21
Howlett, Ben 97 26 21/10/1988 180 Midfielder 2-Senior 22
Stanton, Brent 226 28 1/05/1986 185 Midfielder 2-Senior 23
Ambrose, Patrick (R) 16 23 1/09/1991 191 Key Forward 2-Senior 24
Gleeson, Martin 9 20 25/08/1994 186 Midfielder 2-Senior 25
Merrett, Jackson 28 22 27/02/1993 187 Small Forward 2-Senior 26
Melksham, Jake 96 23 29/08/1991 186 Midfielder 3-Fringe 27
Dalgleish, Lauchlan 3 21 22/06/1993 185 Midfielder 3-Fringe 28
Gwilt, James 126 28 11/08/1986 188 Key Defender 3-Fringe 29
Browne, Alex 8 22 9/08/1992 188 Midfielder 3-Fringe 30
Ashby, Jason 5 20 16/05/1994 187 Half-Back 3-Fringe 31
Fantasia, Orazio 3 19 14/09/1995 178 Small Forward 3-Fringe 32
Pears, Tayte 68 25 24/03/1990 192 Key Defender 3-Fringe 33
Aylett, Kurt 3 23 2/04/1992 188 Midfielder 3-Fringe 34
Steinberg, Ariel (R) 3 22 26/08/1992 191 Key Defender 3-Fringe 35
Kommer, Nicholas 19 24 28/09/1990 184 Small Forward 3-Fringe 36
Kavanagh, Elliott 7 21 19/05/1993 187 Midfielder 3-Fringe 37
Edwards, Shaun 12 21 13/12/1993 189 Midfielder 3-Fringe 38
Hams, Will 2 20 14/07/1994 180 Half-Back 3-Fringe 39
Dell'Olio, Corey (R) 16 25 8/12/1989 177 Small Forward 4-Outer 40
O'Brien, Nicholas 5 21 26/06/1993 188 Midfielder 4-Outer 41
Hardingham, Kyle 65 26 1/09/1988 186 Half-Back 4-Outer 42
Van Unen, Dylan 1 24 22/06/1990 189 Midfielder 4-Outer 43
Rayner, Johnny (R) 0 24 25/03/1991 184 Midfielder 4-Outer 44
Thurlow, Fraser (R) 0 22 6/01/1993 200 Ruck 4-Outer 45
Gregory, Sean 0 21 20/01/1994 196 Key Defender 4-Outer 46
Now before anyone goes and loses their shit, remember this is HIGHLY subjective, and really only my opinion. More than happy for you to disagree with me (thats why we're here) but no need to go full ****** - you never go full ******.

So some explanation;

Position - I kept it very simple and allocated a position in one of six areas; Key forward, key defender, midfielder, small forward, half-back and ruck. Also, when I had a choice as to where to put them, I ultimately decided to list them where I thought they would likely spend the bulk of their career (were they to have a long and fruitful one).

Status - This is me trying to describe how I feel about a player in the side. A 'lock' is exactly that. If they are fit and not being rested or anything else, they play seniors. A 'senior' player is someone that I feel is not quite a lock in the side, but in reality is very likely to play seniors. Fringe players are those players where through injury or hole in the list, if they are playing seniors we have a weakness. Outer players are those I really don't think should be on the list.

List Rank - This was just me quickly trying to rank our players from top to bottom, it doesn't really mean much.

So how do we look?

Well the first very pleasing thing is that we have 25 players that I would comfortably have running out on the field for us each week - meaning assuming a completely injury free list (a pipedream I know), players are very unlucky to miss a game. Moreover, those 25 players are made up of no fewer than 3 for each position; that is we have very good players all over the ground.

Our midfield bats very deep. This might surprise some that aren't paying attention, but if you haven't noticed the Bombers midfield has become one of the stronger in the league (not the strongest mind you). Considering that clubs want 8-10 players running through there during a game, the fact that we have a dozen players that are comfortably good players gives us a nice depth.

Believe it or not, what was considered a strength a couple years ago is now a possible weakness. We only have the six key position players that are of quality, and generally you'd want all six on the park. We lose one to injury or suspension and all of a sudden we are having to rejig the side (see Hurley/Carlisle switching, Goddard out of FF etc etc). We've all noticed this. The loss of Ryder hurts our ability to cover this shortfall. The recruitment of Gwilt helps give us some depth, but in reality we need to find another one or two KPPs either through recruitment of a established players or through the draft that can play at a high level here.

Age wise, I know there isn't a hard and fast rule but I'm of the belief that the following two guidelines should be worked towards:

1) No more than 4-6 30+ players on the list
2) Try and aim for anout half of your list at 23 and under.

We've done alright here, we have a nice long list of young players (a good lot of which look like they'll be quality players), and our lack of older players allowed us to comfortably hold a Chapman without compromising our list profile. You can question the quality of players, but in terms of a pure numbers game we have a nice spread of junior to senior players.

So pick 17 + 20?

Personally whilst I'm a believer in taking the best player available, if they difference in quality isn't significant I'd be looking to target a key forward with our first pick. If Tom Lamb is available we have to take him, but barring that I'd be looking Goddard or Marchbank. Hell, both with 17 and 20 if we can manage it. Barring that, I know it would be pulling the trigger slightly early, but Nakia Cockatoo at 20 would suit us perfectly.

We come out with Goddard and Cockatoo - I'll be freakin stoked.

But if players come in......

Yup, some have got to go.

Ryder and Jetta are the only confirmed senior departures, and we've brought in Cooney, Gwilt and Giles - already one too many. We need to make three picks at the draft, one will be Ambrose will be one, meaning we have FOUR senior delistings to make (not including Ryder and Jetta). So who goes?

Hardingham is clearly gone. And I think Van Unen is likely toast as well. Gregory you would think would struggle to hold a senior spot. All three are uncontracted. Which means (assuming Winders re-signs) we have to delist a contracted player. We bat deepest in the middle - I reckon O'Brien may face the chop and be re-rookied.

Del and Thurlow are gone you would think from the rookie list. Steinberg I'd be inclined to keep. Re-draft O'Brien, bring in Long - and we're done....

So what do you think of our list?
 

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I'll break it down differently (I'm going with Gregory*, van Unen, Hardingham, Jetta, Ryder and Hams* off the senior list, Thurlow, Steinberg and Dell'Olio off the rookie list. *Going onto the rookie list, and Jake Long/Conor McKenna going onto the rookie list)

Defence

Tall/Medium defenders:

Cale Hooker, Michael Hurley, Dustin Fletcher, Tayte Pears, James Gwilt. Rookie: Sean Gregory

Good depth and starting group, biggest strength on our list IMO.

Small defenders:

Mark Baguley, Courtenay Dempsey, Michael Hibberd, Jason Ashby, Shaun Edwards. Rookies: Jake Long, Conor McKenna

Another strength, good top end talent and young depth who can play

Biggest strength, a young key defender with good mobility would help but otherwise I like it.

Midfield

Inside midfielders:

Jobe Watson, Nick O'Brien, Jake Melksham, Dyson Heppell, David Myers, Elliott Kavanagh, Heath Hocking, Ben Howlett, Kurt Aylett. Rookie: Will Hams

The problem with this group is that other than Aylett and sort of Melksham and Kavanagh, is that it's slow. Watson, Heppell, Myers and to an extent Hocking can get away with it. Personally as much as I love Benny and Buddha, this should be their last contract at the EFC.

Outside midfielders:

Brent Stanton, Brendan Goddard, David Zaharakis, Jackson Merrett, Alex Browne, Travis Colyer, Martin Gleeson, Lauchlan Dalgleish. Rookie: Johnny Rayner

The good thing is that the only 2 players who are "slow" are Stanton, who's endurance is excellent, and Goddard, who's got great skills. This group has a lot of talent and if they fill that talent our outside core will be the envy of the league.

Overall, about half of them are too slow, but the ball winning ability is there and the skills can be developed in most of the ones that have it as a weakness.

Forwards

Half Forwards:

Paul Chapman, Adam Cooney, Zach Merrett, Nick Kommer

They all bring something different to the table, which is what you need from this sort of group.

Key Forwards:

Jake Carlisle, Patrick Ambrose

Obviously you can include Joe Daniher here but it's definitely a weakness in depth, we need another one, maybe 2.

Small/Medium Forwards:

Jason Winderlich

I think with 4 Half Forwards it's not panic stations, so I'm not too worried about that aspect of our forward line

Overall a big weakness, will be the biggest struggle next season again. Definitely need a key forward with flexibility.

Rucks

Ruck/forwards

Tom Bellchambers, Jonathon Giles

Two good ruckmen both of whom can play forward, but we need at least one more ruck, probably 2.

Forward/rucks

Joe Daniher

Could be listed under the key forward component but should be listed here. Struggles in the ruck, needs to work on it.

Overall, players are good, but we have no depth here. Needs addressing.

Overall I think we're short 1 or 2 depth ruckmen, 1 or 2 flexible key forwards and a quick inside midfielder over the next couple of drafts. I think Browne could be developed into an inside mid with pace that could ease the pain. So for me:

Pick 17: De Goey/Cockatoo
Pick 20: Lamb/Keitel/Hammelman

Rookie pick 1: Kovacevic/Tagliabue
 

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Solid read Eth, my only disagreement is the small forward comment - not many clubs operate with what used to be the traditional small forward anymore, which is why I lumped all non KPF into one group.

I'd love to pick up Cockatoo though, really fills a need for us and could probably play AFL next year.
 

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Solid read Eth, my only disagreement is the small forward comment - not many clubs operate with what used to be the traditional small forward anymore, which is why I lumped all non KPF into one group.

I'd love to pick up Cockatoo though, really fills a need for us and could probably play AFL next year.
Winderlich's more a mid-sized forward, closer to a Breust than a Milne.

Christenson would have been perfect in the role I mentioned, but alas, it didn't happen. Tom Lamb, if his attitude is fixed, really adds something that Carlisle/Daniher don't.
 

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Instead of looking at positions (we know what we need to cover), I've tried to concentrate on a 22 that I think all teams need. They don't all have to be superstars, but they do have to:

- be pretty smart footballers, ie have a fair degree of nous - know where to run, how to defend the ground, and be able to make smart decisions with the ball when they get it.

- be able to be relied upon to kick the bloody thing well when they attempt to... ie get it where it needs to go, to a teammate or through the sticks. Incl when under pressure. We don't want butchers who can't hit targets as they waste too many opportunities

- be reasonably expected to play 22 games the next year - obviously unforeseen injury will hit some, but I don't think you want too many rocking up on the first day of pre season where you already know there's no way they'll get near 22 games - be that due to age or chronic injury records. You're behind the 8 ball before you even start.

Smarts, skills, durability. Three boxes nearly all premiership players need to tick I think.

Now I think you want to be looking at getting pretty close to 20 players on your list who are ticking ALL 3 boxes to be considered a true flag threat. There'll be a few out week to week so you need that many I think, you can't take in too many "support crew" too regularly.

I ran through quickly, I got 12:

Bellchambers
Hibberd
Goddard
Watson
Zaharakis
Baguley
Dempsey
Hurley
Heppell
Carlisle
Hooker
Hocking

So the concern for me is that we're still short by quite a few. In terms of those already on our list who could make the jump next year, I'd say it's:

Daniher
Z Merrett
Colyer

If we are lucky and have one or two jump out of the ground next season we may reasonably expect to be getting close I think. We'd need a freak performance in terms of rapid development to win it in 2015.

When you think about how many new players you have who join that required bracket each year - not many - some due to internal development and some you get in from other clubs - I think we're a year or two away. It's gonna be a short genuine window for Jobe and BJ if they get one at all, still a lot that has to go right.

Stewie and Paddy have hurt us. But we got Merrett and now we need another one - or by miracle two - with 17 & 20. And we can't keep losing a player every year.

We could get there, but it's still up in the air imo. I'm happy for us to put most of our eggs in the bucket that is the remainder of Jobes career - but it's getting to the stage where we can't have them all in there.
 

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TBH I'm starting to question Zaka's status as a smart footballer. He's talented no doubt, but he seems to me to do dumb things a bit and often get himself into poor positions that a smarter bloke might avoid.
 

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I'm happier today with our list than I have been for ten years. I really feel like we have finally, finally cut all the drift wood. I've felt that to win flag you need at least 4 'stars', 12 above average players and then 10 guys that are average/solidly play a role. Then have 5 that can come in and 'plug gaps'. So really you need 30 out of your 40 players to be 'ready to go' in some capacity.

Right now I see our list as having exactly that. I'm not including Rookie list.. because that is the Rookie list for a reason.
Stars (4): Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker
Above Average (9): Hurley, Carlisle, Myers, Hibberd, Zaharakis, Chapman, Fletcher, Z Merrett, Daniher (2015)
Average/Solid (10): Winderlich, Baguley, Gleeson, Cooney, Stanton, Dempsey, Colyer, Hocking, Howlett, TBell
Solid Back up (16): Giles, Ashby, Edwards, Kommer, Fantasia, Aylett, Hams, Gwilt, Ambrose, Pears, Melksham, Browne, EKav, J Merrett, NOB
Deadwood(0): None.
Developing (2): #17, #20

I mean it is actually incredible really. And I understand that others will rate players different but I see our list as amazingly balanced and even. Every single one of the guys on the 'back up' list.. I can see them being able to play a role when required, if required.

I understand we can't agree on our Best 22.. but for the point of this exercise.. I'll give you the bottom six of our current side:
Top 10: Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Zaharakis, Chapman, Hibberd, Baguley, Myers, Hurley
Next 6: Carlisle, Cooney, Dempsey, Daniher, Z Merrett, Winderlich
Bottom 6 (in this one team): Gleeson, Stanton, Colyer, Hocking, TBell, Fletcher

I don't care which team you are.. that is a decent bottom 6 imho. Especially when you consider that guys like Giles, Kommer, Edwards, Ashby, Hams, Gwilt, Melksham and J Merrett didn't even make the cut.

At some point it is going to click for this team and then watch out.. I fail to see how we don't win more games than we lose if we are taking that bottom 6 into games..

*P.S* Not so long ago I don't think we had 2 players that would have been 'walk up' starts at every other club in the league. I now think we have nine of them. Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Carlisle, Hibberd, Hurley, Z Merrett and Daniher.. would all walk into to just about every other team in the AFL right now. That is a great effort.. probably only 4 other teams in the comp that could have that same level of top end talent imho.
 

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I'm happier today with our list than I have been for ten years. I really feel like we have finally, finally cut all the drift wood. I've felt that to win flag you need at least 4 'stars', 12 above average players and then 10 guys that are average/solidly play a role. Then have 5 that can come in and 'plug gaps'. So really you need 30 out of your 40 players to be 'ready to go' in some capacity.

Right now I see our list as having exactly that. I'm not including Rookie list.. because that is the Rookie list for a reason.
Stars (4): Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker
Above Average (9): Hurley, Carlisle, Myers, Hibberd, Zaharakis, Chapman, Fletcher, Z Merrett, Daniher (2015)
Average/Solid (10): Winderlich, Baguley, Gleeson, Cooney, Stanton, Dempsey, Colyer, Hocking, Howlett, TBell
Solid Back up (16): Giles, Ashby, Edwards, Kommer, Fantasia, Aylett, Hams, Gwilt, Ambrose, Pears, Melksham, Browne, EKav, J Merrett, NOB
Deadwood(0): None.
Developing (2): #17, #20

I mean it is actually incredible really. And I understand that others will rate players different but I see our list as amazingly balanced and even. Every single one of the guys on the 'back up' list.. I can see them being able to play a role when required, if required.

I understand we can't agree on our Best 22.. but for the point of this exercise.. I'll give you the bottom six of our current side:
Top 10: Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Zaharakis, Chapman, Hibberd, Baguley, Myers, Hurley
Next 6: Carlisle, Cooney, Dempsey, Daniher, Z Merrett, Winderlich
Bottom 6 (in this one team): Gleeson, Stanton, Colyer, Hocking, TBell, Fletcher

I don't care which team you are.. that is a decent bottom 6 imho. Especially when you consider that guys like Giles, Kommer, Edwards, Ashby, Hams, Gwilt, Melksham and J Merrett didn't even make the cut.

At some point it is going to click for this team and then watch out.. I fail to see how we don't win more games than we lose if we are taking that bottom 6 into games..

*P.S* Not so long ago I don't think we had 2 players that would have been 'walk up' starts at every other club in the league. I now think we have nine of them. Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Carlisle, Hibberd, Hurley, Z Merrett and Daniher.. would all walk into to just about every other team in the AFL right now. That is a great effort.. probably only 4 other teams in the comp that could have that same level of top end talent imho.
And this right here, sums up where our list is at and why we at Essendon think we are a top 4 side.

Top post :thumbsu:
 

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I'm happier today with our list than I have been for ten years. I really feel like we have finally, finally cut all the drift wood. I've felt that to win flag you need at least 4 'stars', 12 above average players and then 10 guys that are average/solidly play a role. Then have 5 that can come in and 'plug gaps'. So really you need 30 out of your 40 players to be 'ready to go' in some capacity.

Right now I see our list as having exactly that. I'm not including Rookie list.. because that is the Rookie list for a reason.
Stars (4): Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker
Above Average (9): Hurley, Carlisle, Myers, Hibberd, Zaharakis, Chapman, Fletcher, Z Merrett, Daniher (2015)
Average/Solid (10): Winderlich, Baguley, Gleeson, Cooney, Stanton, Dempsey, Colyer, Hocking, Howlett, TBell
Solid Back up (16): Giles, Ashby, Edwards, Kommer, Fantasia, Aylett, Hams, Gwilt, Ambrose, Pears, Melksham, Browne, EKav, J Merrett, NOB
Deadwood(0): None.
Developing (2): #17, #20

I mean it is actually incredible really. And I understand that others will rate players different but I see our list as amazingly balanced and even. Every single one of the guys on the 'back up' list.. I can see them being able to play a role when required, if required.

I understand we can't agree on our Best 22.. but for the point of this exercise.. I'll give you the bottom six of our current side:
Top 10: Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Zaharakis, Chapman, Hibberd, Baguley, Myers, Hurley
Next 6: Carlisle, Cooney, Dempsey, Daniher, Z Merrett, Winderlich
Bottom 6 (in this one team): Gleeson, Stanton, Colyer, Hocking, TBell, Fletcher

I don't care which team you are.. that is a decent bottom 6 imho. Especially when you consider that guys like Giles, Kommer, Edwards, Ashby, Hams, Gwilt, Melksham and J Merrett didn't even make the cut.

At some point it is going to click for this team and then watch out.. I fail to see how we don't win more games than we lose if we are taking that bottom 6 into games..

*P.S* Not so long ago I don't think we had 2 players that would have been 'walk up' starts at every other club in the league. I now think we have nine of them. Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hooker, Carlisle, Hibberd, Hurley, Z Merrett and Daniher.. would all walk into to just about every other team in the AFL right now. That is a great effort.. probably only 4 other teams in the comp that could have that same level of top end talent imho.


Zaharakis strolls into any team in the competition without trouble.


I otherwise agree that the list is really healthy. There are a few areas that need to be addressed.

We have to look at more quality on both the inside and outside of midfield. The De Goey/Cockatoo type combination seems to be ideal and is the balance of player types I'd be looking at.

If Tom Lamb was available, though, you'd probably have to consider because, with some real speed and endurance, he compliments us extremely well as a key defender or a key forward (in the third tall/flanker role) and we are particularly short of those attributes in our key posts.

Unfortunately, from the sentimental perspective, it seems to rule out the recruitment of Goddard.


With Rayner, McKenna and Long on the rookie list the time is right to use the rest of the rookie spots on KPPs and rucks for the long term. A giant ruck, Gregory/athletic KPP(s) and another demoted senior listed player (Pears, Hams, Kommer or Browne) would be how I finish it off.
 
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Chappy, Winderlich and Cooney are a problem IMO.

Basically we have three players who will probably produce the output of one fit healthy (very good) player this year.

You can't carry that on with such small list sizes.
 

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Chappy, Winderlich and Cooney are a problem IMO.

Basically we have three players who will probably produce the output of one fit healthy (very good) player this year.

You can't carry that on with such small list sizes.
Id prefer someone who has shown they can make an impact on a game than kids who have hardly shown they can impact a VFL game let alone an AFL game.
 

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Our midfield is the biggest issue.
We are one paced with only Travis Colyer a line breaking midfielder.
We also do not possess midfielders with elite endurance beside Brent Stanton. Watson and Myers are poor runners though inside brutes, hocking just okay and Heppell slightly above average.
Btw I reckon Stanton has declined considerably . Hope I am wrong.
I would like to draft another speedster and an endurance animal.
 

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Our midfield is the biggest issue.
We are one paced with only Travis Colyer a line breaking midfielder.
We also do not possess midfielders with elite endurance beside Brent Stanton. Watson and Myers are poor runners though inside brutes, hocking just okay and Heppell slightly above average.
Btw I reckon Stanton has declined considerably . Hope I am wrong.
I would like to draft another speedster and an endurance animal.
You're obviously not a big wrap for the next gen kids already on our list Foj1?
 

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You're obviously not a big wrap for the next gen kids already on our list Foj1?
As midfielders no.

Ashby no
J merrett no
Melksham no
OBrien unlikely
KAVANAGH unlikely
Browne no
Aylett no
Hams unlikely

Heppell and Watson A grader
Myers zaharakis b grader
Hocking tagger
Howlett cooney colyer Stanton c grader colyer improving Stanton declining
Z merrett midfielder or forward? Not sure yet.
 

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Think you have to be careful in reading FOJ's post - He is specifically referring to the midfield role - There is every chance that some of the players listed could play in other positions.
 

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As midfielders no.

Ashby no
J merrett no
Melksham no
OBrien unlikely
KAVANAGH unlikely
Browne no
Aylett no
Hams unlikely

Heppell and Watson A grader
Myers zaharakis b grader
Hocking tagger
Howlett cooney colyer Stanton c grader colyer improving Stanton declining
Z merrett midfielder or forward? Not sure yet.

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Our midfield is the biggest issue.
We are one paced with only Travis Colyer a line breaking midfielder.
We also do not possess midfielders with elite endurance beside Brent Stanton. Watson and Myers are poor runners though inside brutes, hocking just okay and Heppell slightly above average.
Btw I reckon Stanton has declined considerably . Hope I am wrong.
I would like to draft another speedster and an endurance animal.
must say I agree. 2 midfielders who are quick and can hit the scoreboard (as I posted in another thread) Foj1 would you be so kind as to throw up a couple of names of kids you have in mind?
 

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Our backline is wicked. Hooker and Hibberd shouldve really both been AA. Hurley might not be far away. Fletcher needs to perform when he plays. Baguley is the 2nd best small defender in the comp IMO.

DEMPSEY!!! Is the man had an average year but iull back him to bounce back to his 2011-2012 form and IMO he can still go better.

Midfields not bad either. A big year from Cooney is huge for this side, like Dempsey and like Winderlich. 3 keys for me, all have speed, all quality when at their best.
 

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Our midfield is the biggest issue.
We are one paced with only Travis Colyer a line breaking midfielder.
We also do not possess midfielders with elite endurance beside Brent Stanton. Watson and Myers are poor runners though inside brutes, hocking just okay and Heppell slightly above average.
Btw I reckon Stanton has declined considerably . Hope I am wrong.
I would like to draft another speedster and an endurance animal.
We obviously identified our one paced midfield as a problem that needs to be addressed a few seasons ago. So our problem now is no longer a slow/one-paced list but where the pace sits on our list.
Colyer, Dalgleish, Edwards, Rayner and soon to add Long/McKenna all with genuine pace sitting on the fringe-well out of our 22. (Gee our VFL side is going to be bloody quick!)
Zaka once was the only one with some pace (though not that quick), Z Merrett with more midfield minutes will help massively, and we all saw the difference it made when Colyer can hold his spot. We need another 1-2 of these players pushing for the 22.

In the draft I agree, I'd like us to get another speedster. I'd like someone who brings something a bit different from the above, we need someone who can play inside with genuine breakaway speed. Those sort of players are hard to find at pick 17 though, hope we can.
 

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#23
One player not mentioned much here is Fantasia.

What are people's thoughts on his role going forwards? He obviously has natural attributes as a small forward, has played senior SANFL footy as a small defender prior to drafting, and from what I've seen with his clean hands, ability to keep his feet, natural reading of the play, tenacity etc has potential to be at worst an outside midfielder with some inside promise.
 
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