List Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

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Unsigned: Bagulay, Dea, Hartley, Luenberger, Long

Currently, have 2 lives picks (#34 & #66) in the draft and a #84 McKernan upgrade.
The rules have actually changed re: having to use a draft pick to upgrade a rookie. So McKernan will cost a spot on the senior list but not pick 84. With Colyer, Goddard, Jerrett and Green going out; bringing in Shiel, upgrading McKernan leaves us with 2 senior lists spots currently.

Baguley and Luenberger will be retained on a 1 year deal (hopefully Hartley too - Dogs may have interest). Futures of Dea and Long up in the air, I think they will both be delisted and we will take picks 34, 66 and 84 to the draft. Would also consider throwing a 1-2 year deal at an out of contract forward such as Lachie Tiziani from GWS and get him as a DFA.
 

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I was thinking that the priority for 34 would be a running defender/half back with genuine speed.

I didn't realise or had forgotten that we've been linked to another Irishman, Jordan Morrissey.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-09/could-a-second-irishman-morrissey-join-the-bombers

Admittedly a first year Irishman is unlikely to have an AFL impact but he's got all of the raw tools (and must have thought that he was supposed to jog the 20m at draft testing) but we've got a spot at half back in the reserves for him which could do the world of good in 1 year.

I'd take Morrissey and and then not really worry about player type with pick 34.
 
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I think this is the best list we've had since the early 2000s. What do others think? Arguably, the only thing we lack is a very good second key forward, but Richmond seemed to do fine with just Riewoldt, and Collingwood made the GF with just Cox and Mihocek, so it's probably unnecessary.

If Worsfold can't get this list to finals next year it will be a bit of an indictment.
 

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I don't see that any of our immediate list needs are especially dire going into the draft period. Well positioned to just pick up the best available player. Would love for a Worpel or Parker type slider to get out to our #34 but I've generally been pleased with the drafting we've done in recent years and I'm sure our team will get us a good player.

Even though there aren't any urgent needs we do still have some areas that lack a bit of quality/depth. I've separated into whether I think we need someone ready to go or just someone to develop for a few years time. I'd like to see us at least address the lockdown small defender role with someone if nothing else as that's something I think we really need in 2019.

Ready to go

Lockdown small defender with pace
Dangerous small forward

To develop
Key forward (to develop)
Ruckman to develop
Big bodied inside midfielder to develop
Running machine outside midfielder to develop
 

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I don't see that any of our immediate list needs are especially dire going into the draft period. Well positioned to just pick up the best available player. Would love for a Worpel or Parker type slider to get out to our #34 but I've generally been pleased with the drafting we've done in recent years and I'm sure our team will get us a good player.

Even though there aren't any urgent needs we do still have some areas that lack a bit of quality/depth. I've separated into whether I think we need someone ready to go or just someone to develop for a few years time. I'd like to see us at least address the lockdown small defender role with someone if nothing else as that's something I think we really need in 2019.

Ready to go

Lockdown small defender with pace
Dangerous small forward

To develop
Key forward (to develop)
Ruckman to develop
Big bodied inside midfielder to develop
Running machine outside midfielder to develop
Don’t see a small lock down defender as a priority. Small forwards that kicked more than two goals on us this year. Bruest, Walters and Hannan, Sidebottom (3). That’s all.

We struggle mostly with powerful mediums who play tall, Caddy, Martin, De Goey types, even the crap versions of those types get us as well, the likes of Holman, Tabener, Watts, Fristch, Wood, who all kicked 3 or more on us.
 
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Don’t see a small lock down defender as a priority. Small forwards that kicked more than two goals on us this year. Bruest, Walters and Hannan, Sidebottom (3). That’s all.

We struggle mostly with powerful mediums who play tall, Caddy, Martin, De Goey types, even the crap versions of those types get us as well, the likes of Holman, Tabener, Watts, Fristch, Wood, who all kicked 3 or more on us.
we'd be hoping Francis or Redman can take care of this issue in future plus the addition of Shiel with hopefully the trucks influence to shape our transition to defence.
 

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Don’t see a small lock down defender as a priority. Small forwards that kicked more than two goals on us this year. Bruest, Walters and Hannan, Sidebottom (3). That’s all.

We struggle mostly with powerful mediums who play tall, Caddy, Martin, De Goey types, even the crap versions of those types get us as well, the likes of Holman, Tabener, Watts, Fristch, Wood, who all kicked 3 or more on us.
Well a big part of my reasoning is that Baguley is no longer up to it and McNiece hasn't worked out. If we don't get someone then McGrath will regularly get shifted back as soon as we get an injury or against certain teams that are playing small forward lines. We also had a good injury run from Saad, McKenna and McGrath but you can't always rely on that.

I reckon we have some good medium sized types but they were all struck down by injury/developing: Gleeson, Ridley and Redman. Even Francis is an option for some of those guys.
 

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Don’t see a small lock down defender as a priority. Small forwards that kicked more than two goals on us this year. Bruest, Walters and Hannan, Sidebottom (3). That’s all.

We struggle mostly with powerful mediums who play tall, Caddy, Martin, De Goey types, even the crap versions of those types get us as well, the likes of Holman, Tabener, Watts, Fristch, Wood, who all kicked 3 or more on us.

Whether we really struggle on the mediums or it's a matter of some excellent players having kicked goals aside, Ridley, Redman, Francis and Zerk-Thatcher have hardly played a game between them at AFL level.


Edit: blitzer already said it.
 

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I think this is the best list we've had since the early 2000s. What do others think? Arguably, the only thing we lack is a very good second key forward, but Richmond seemed to do fine with just Riewoldt, and Collingwood made the GF with just Cox and Mihocek, so it's probably unnecessary.

If Worsfold can't get this list to finals next year it will be a bit of an indictment.
I think if this list doesn't go deep into September next year it's going to be root and branch review time and a bunch of assistant coaches in the firing line, if not the senior coach. I think we have reason to be fairly optimistic though given when finished 2018 as the form team and out list has only improved since the last round.
 

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I think if this list doesn't go deep into September next year it's going to be root and branch review time and a bunch of assistant coaches in the firing line, if not the senior coach. I think we have reason to be fairly optimistic though given when finished 2018 as the form team and out list has only improved since the last round.
Something lingy said stuck with me too about how you can tell when a team is on the cusp of something great when they pick up plenty of interstate wins. Towards the end of the season we had wins over the eagles, lions, port, giants all away games. That's something I take away.

And I agree.. we simply can't afford to not win a final next year without heads being called for. Who knows who. We cannot afford to have a start like we did last year too. Need to be on from round 1.

Such a balanced list.
 

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Something lingy said stuck with me too about how you can tell when a team is on the cusp of something great when they pick up plenty of interstate wins. Towards the end of the season we had wins over the eagles, lions, port, giants all away games. That's something I take away.

And I agree.. we simply can't afford to not win a final next year without heads being called for. Who knows who. We cannot afford to have a start like we did last year too. Need to be on from round 1.

Such a balanced list.
Probably the only correct thing Ling said all year tbh. The same thing occurred to me too, it's a sign of a maturing side that prepares thoroughly regardless of the venue and hostility of the crowd.
 

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The rules have actually changed re: having to use a draft pick to upgrade a rookie. So McKernan will cost a spot on the senior list but not pick 84. With Colyer, Goddard, Jerrett and Green going out; bringing in Shiel, upgrading McKernan leaves us with 2 senior lists spots currently.

Baguley and Luenberger will be retained on a 1 year deal (hopefully Hartley too - Dogs may have interest). Futures of Dea and Long up in the air, I think they will both be delisted and we will take picks 34, 66 and 84 to the draft. Would also consider throwing a 1-2 year deal at an out of contract forward such as Lachie Tiziani from GWS and get him as a DFA.
It still essentially costs whatever the pick is, we simply wouldn't use it.
 

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Overall I think it'll be a case of:

Cut/retire: Long, Leuenberger, Dea? (speculation he may go into the police force or something?)
Keep: Baguley, Hartley
DFA: Decent reserve ruck that can play forward.
ND: Bytel, Hugo Munn, Hind
RD: Fletcher, outside mid.
 

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Can’t believe people want to cut Leuenberger. He’s an absolutely ideal reserve ruckman. We’re just going to have to find another one if we do.
Yep, he can come in and hold his own. He is reliable. Without him we are effectively relying on Draper (who probably isn't up to rucking 90% of a game at AFL level) or McKernan (who is useful around the ground but a horrible tap ruckman). Cutting him is just an unnecessary risk, particularly given Bellchambers history of injury.
 

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Yep, he can come in and hold his own. He is reliable. Without him we are effectively relying on Draper (who probably isn't up to rucking 90% of a game at AFL level) or McKernan (who is useful around the ground but a horrible tap ruckman). Cutting him is just an unnecessary risk, particularly given Bellchambers history of injury.
Would be craziness. I guarantee another club would pick him up in a heartbeat.
 

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What are peoples thoughts on playing Daniher as the main KPF with Stringer as the second KPF and then surrounding them with mediums and smalls. I like Daniher getting some ruck time, it clearly brings him into the game so I don't see the need for McKernan. I also think Stringer one out in the goal square is so stressful for opposition defenders that we need to utilise it. I would happily go with the below forward line and if Brown, Stewart or McKernan show amazing form in the VFL then they come in or if we get an injury they come in.

HF - Fantasia - Daniher - Laverde
FF - Tipungwuti - Stringer - Rotating mid (Smith, Shiel, Merrett, Langford) or Begley
 

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What are peoples thoughts on playing Daniher as the main KPF with Stringer as the second KPF and then surrounding them with mediums and smalls. I like Daniher getting some ruck time, it clearly brings him into the game so I don't see the need for McKernan. I also think Stringer one out in the goal square is so stressful for opposition defenders that we need to utilise it. I would happily go with the below forward line and if Brown, Stewart or McKernan show amazing form in the VFL then they come in or if we get an injury they come in.

HF - Fantasia - Daniher - Laverde
FF - Tipungwuti - Stringer - Rotating mid (Smith, Shiel, Merrett, Langford) or Begley
It possibly works but Laverde has to be a lot better than he was this past season. If he isn't a marking target or cannot cause damage off the deck then it allows defenders to peel off and put more pressure on Daniher / Stringer.
 

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What are peoples thoughts on playing Daniher as the main KPF with Stringer as the second KPF and then surrounding them with mediums and smalls. I like Daniher getting some ruck time, it clearly brings him into the game so I don't see the need for McKernan. I also think Stringer one out in the goal square is so stressful for opposition defenders that we need to utilise it. I would happily go with the below forward line and if Brown, Stewart or McKernan show amazing form in the VFL then they come in or if we get an injury they come in.

HF - Fantasia - Daniher - Laverde
FF - Tipungwuti - Stringer - Rotating mid (Smith, Shiel, Merrett, Langford) or Begley
Depends on form. If McKernan performs like he did this year, he’ll be playing seniors.
 
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