List Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

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kelvin_sheedy

Brownlow Medallist
Apr 30, 2006
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Can someone please explain to me the logic of having Matt Dea, Jake Long, Ben Mcneice on the list along with Baguley. Somebody please.

There would be a dozen players that we could have taken a punt on. Ones that we think may be project or may take an extra year, bottom agers. Another Guelfi, Fantasia.

Highly unlikely to find someone but its more of a chance than guys you've seen for a number of years not capable of AFL football.
 

blitzer

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 27, 2006
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House
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Can someone please explain to me the logic of having Matt Dea, Jake Long, Ben Mcneice on the list along with Baguley. Somebody please.

There would be a dozen players that we could have taken a punt on. Ones that we think may be project or may take an extra year, bottom agers. Another Guelfi, Fantasia.

Highly unlikely to find someone but its more of a chance than guys you've seen for a number of years not capable of AFL football.
Baguley has been good depth this year and now we have Begley and Laverde occupying spots. That's a good result. Made sense to keep Baguley on the list for this year. Should retire at years end.

No idea why we are persisting with Long or McNiece. Have never really shown anything worthwhile at AFL level. Plus McNiece is closer to retirement than becoming a regular. Should have been delisted last year or earlier.

Matt Dea was handy depth last year but with Redman, Guelfi and Ridley all emerging and now Gleeson seemingly successfully recovered from his long term injury there's no spot for him. I think it was reasonable to keep him on the list for this year but should be delisted at years end. Its good for our young backline players to learn from someone with significant AFL experience, even if he is no star.
 

brutus76

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He's clearly a spud, supercoach scores don't lie

I only mentioned it as Ambrose Hurls Hooksy 28 29 30. So if we are to keep Franga then Paddy prob needs to make way to get games into Franga as KPD. BZT and a couple others still a year or two away.

Happy to trade Zaka Ambrose Brown Myers Baguley for some picks or youth.
 

Ambrosia

Norm Smith Medallist
Mar 11, 2010
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Can someone please explain to me the logic of having Matt Dea, Jake Long, Ben Mcneice on the list along with Baguley. Somebody please.

There would be a dozen players that we could have taken a punt on. Ones that we think may be project or may take an extra year, bottom agers. Another Guelfi, Fantasia.

Highly unlikely to find someone but its more of a chance than guys you've seen for a number of years not capable of AFL football.
McNiece is free sits outside the list but the others I agree.
 

eth-dog

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Jan 11, 2007
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Baguley has been good depth this year and now we have Begley and Laverde occupying spots. That's a good result. Made sense to keep Baguley on the list for this year. Should retire at years end.

No idea why we are persisting with Long or McNiece. Have never really shown anything worthwhile at AFL level. Plus McNiece is closer to retirement than becoming a regular. Should have been delisted last year or earlier.

Matt Dea was handy depth last year but with Redman, Guelfi and Ridley all emerging and now Gleeson seemingly successfully recovered from his long term injury there's no spot for him. I think it was reasonable to keep him on the list for this year but should be delisted at years end. Its good for our young backline players to learn from someone with significant AFL experience, even if he is no star.
Why delist a bloke that is clearly a good VFL player when he's a Category B rookie and we have nobody else that can occupy that spot? Just seems like dumb list management. Take the three years and then decide.
 

The Donners

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Apr 26, 2007
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Can someone please explain to me the logic of having Matt Dea, Jake Long, Ben Mcneice on the list along with Baguley. Somebody please.

There would be a dozen players that we could have taken a punt on. Ones that we think may be project or may take an extra year, bottom agers. Another Guelfi, Fantasia.

Highly unlikely to find someone but its more of a chance than guys you've seen for a number of years not capable of AFL football.
Ready to play back ups for a list that was overrated and expected to push for top 4.
 

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hurlygurdy

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Apr 15, 2013
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Probably what it comes down to is we should think about trading almost any defender if a generous offer comes up. Even Saad given what a generous offer for him would mean.
 

owen87

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Apr 23, 2016
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Don't think we need to completely gut the list, injuries are certainly an issues (and have been for a couple of seasons now) which would suggest our conditioning team might need looking at. Concerns about coaching are also pretty reasonable, given we have a fairly talented group of players that I'd argue are performing below what they're capable of.

Think Dea, Baguely, Myers and Long are all likely gone at the end of this year, Clarke might go if we can trade for another ruck, otherwise we might throw him a year.

Our backline is very heavy on players lacking opportunity at the moment - Ridley, Gleeson and Francis all probably need a fair run of games at AFL level - but Hurley, Hooker and Ambrose are a mix of injury prone and with limited time left, so we don't really want to lose defenders in the short term.

Likely we'll have Fletcher Jnr coming onboard and BZT might be in a position to start pushing for tall KPD spot sometime in 2020.
 

Bjchan13

Team Captain
Jul 23, 2018
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Can someone please explain to me the logic of having Matt Dea, Jake Long, Ben Mcneice on the list along with Baguley. Somebody please.

There would be a dozen players that we could have taken a punt on. Ones that we think may be project or may take an extra year, bottom agers. Another Guelfi, Fantasia.

Highly unlikely to find someone but its more of a chance than guys you've seen for a number of years not capable of AFL football.
Sydney Stack would've been nice
 

boncer34

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Jul 11, 2005
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Lore

Dec 14, 2015
14,235
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Lore didn't we have issues with GPS tracking? Ours didn't work for a couple of rounds?

Or am I, likely, creating that in my head?
One week in particular the numbers were really low, I think round 2 against the saints? I’m guessing whatever networks they use to download live data from the transmitters during the game stuffed up and they did a manual download and input the proper data after the game. But that happened once and it’s been fixed.

Could probably go in and pull out the data for each game. We do typically run less than our opponents but usually the difference is pretty negligible from memory. Probably adds up overall I suppose.

Repeat sprints are the one I’d look at if I was looking for a GPS stat to whinge about.
 

Maxabillions

The don
Mar 17, 2018
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One week in particular the numbers were really low, I think round 2 against the saints? I’m guessing whatever networks they use to download live data from the transmitters during the game stuffed up and they did a manual download and input the proper data after the game. But that happened once and it’s been fixed.

Could probably go in and pull out the data for each game. We do typically run less than our opponents but usually the difference is pretty negligible from memory. Probably adds up overall I suppose.

Repeat sprints are the one I’d look at if I was looking for a GPS stat to whinge about.
It was against the Giants first round, everyone was losing their minds

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Lore

Dec 14, 2015
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They came out after and said there was a problem with the trackers
Yep. And then they updated the stats. The updated version has the giants doing 272 that week and we did 269.5.

I actually think they update the stats each week anyway. I sometimes screenshot it during the game or at the end of the game and notice that some players seem to lose disposals between quarters or gain tackles after the end of the game and so forth.
 

Lore

Dec 14, 2015
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boncer34

Repeat sprints (opponent - Essendon)

R1 (L): 25 - 12
R2 (L): 28 - 18
R3 (W): 23 - 18
R4 (W): 20 - 18
R5 (W): 0 - 0 <- this is probably a glitch
R6 (L): 36 - 20
R7 (L): 15 - 14
R8 (L): 16 - 11
R9 (W): 28 - 27
R10 (L): 12 - 13 <- first time we had more than our opponent
R11 (W): 15 - 14
R12 (W): 32 - 21
R13 (L): 24 - 10
R14 (W): 29 - 41 <- second time we've won this stat all year


I'm not sure if it's a game style thing, but we could at least be called "consistent" in this area :p
 

Maxabillions

The don
Mar 17, 2018
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boncer34

Repeat sprints (opponent - Essendon)

R1 (L): 25 - 12
R2 (L): 28 - 18
R3 (W): 23 - 18
R4 (W): 20 - 18
R5 (W): 0 - 0 <- this is probably a glitch
R6 (L): 36 - 20
R7 (L): 15 - 14
R8 (L): 16 - 11
R9 (W): 28 - 27
R10 (L): 12 - 13 <- first time we had more than our opponent
R11 (W): 15 - 14
R12 (W): 32 - 21
R13 (L): 24 - 10
R14 (W): 29 - 41 <- second time we've won this stat all year


I'm not sure if it's a game style thing, but we could at least be called "consistent" in this area :p
Overall it seems to my layman mind that these stats indicate we're not doing great in terms of fitness and/or effort
 
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