Strategy Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

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owen87

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If we get Jenkins I expect Brown to not get a game.

How can we carry two big forwards who can't halve a contest?
Both are quite mobile; think they'd play together OK

Hooker is really the only dinosaur KPP we have. Brown does his best work up the ground or leading wide, Jenkins & McKernan are your more straight line players. McKernan runs in a straight line at opposition players, Jenkins away from them.
 

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Towno78

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Adam Saad a B? B+ at least.

List is all over the shop. Walla is better than Fantasia.
Agree on Saad, he was B+ or an A this year. Should be AA next year.

"Walla is better than Fanta"... depends which way you look at it. Fanta when fit has has been consistently better than Walla (definite potential for Walla to go past Fanta going forward though). Though given his injury troubles the last 2 years he's been a mile behind Walla. Given he gave him a B+, seems he's judging when fit.
 

JayJ20

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Agree on Saad, he was B+ or an A this year. Should be AA next year.

"Walla is better than Fanta"... depends which way you look at it. Fanta when fit has has been consistently better than Walla (definite potential for Walla to go past Fanta going forward though). Though given his injury troubles the last 2 years he's been a mile behind Walla. Given he gave him a B+, seems he's judging when fit.
Walla at his best is better than Fantasia, although Fantasia is elite at his peak. I'm looking at a range of things, not just goals. Forward pressure, tacking intent, strength around the contest, ability to rotate in the middle, field kicking as well accuracy in front of goal, decision making, kicking inside 50 etc. Certainly moved past him.

Both are match winners, but Walla's overall game is better than Fantasia.
 

Towno78

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Walla at his best is better than Fantasia, although Fantasia is elite at his peak. I'm looking at a range of things, not just goals. Forward pressure, tacking intent, strength around the contest, ability to rotate in the middle, field kicking as well accuracy in front of goal, decision making, kicking inside 50 etc. Certainly moved past him.

Both are match winners, but Walla's overall game is better than Fantasia.
Yes he's moved him, as Fanta has been injured, which is my point.
 

JayJ20

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Yes he's moved him, as Fanta has been injured, which is my point.
What I mean is Walla this year was better than Fantasia at his peak in 2017. Fantasia averaged more goals, but that can probably be attributed with having a better forward structure with Hooker, Daniher and Stewart.
 

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calyam

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Walla is only better than Fantasia if you incorporate durability into your rankings. And if you do, that's fine, it is clearly important. But when fit, Fantasia has been the better and more damaging player.

One of the reasons I am not particularly concerned about losing Fantasia is concerns over his durability. He is an incredibly tiny footballer, slight of frame, and I have doubts over whether he will ever be able to stand up to the rigors of a 22-game, or dare I say it 25-game, season.
 

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C.Lyons + Cutler from Lions (stealing this one from eDPS - great idea)
Raz and Daniher stays

We see the fwd line of;
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa Stringer Langford

Saad Hooker^ Francis
Redman Hurley Heppell
Merrett Lyons McKenna
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa McKernan Stringer
TBC* Parish Shiel
Smith McGrath Cutler Langford

Future planning
*Draper replaces TBC
^BZT replace Hooker
 

Bjchan13

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C.Lyons + Cutler from Lions (stealing this one from eDPS - great idea)
Raz and Daniher stays

We see the fwd line of;
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa Stringer Langford

Saad Hooker^ Francis
Redman Hurley Heppell
Merrett Lyons McKenna
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa McKernan Stringer
TBC* Parish Shiel
Smith McGrath Cutler Langford

Future planning
*Draper replaces TBC
^BZT replace Hooker
No Gleèson, Ridley or Ambrose?
 

owen87

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C.Lyons + Cutler from Lions (stealing this one from eDPS - great idea)
Raz and Daniher stays

We see the fwd line of;
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa Stringer Langford

Saad Hooker^ Francis
Redman Hurley Heppell
Merrett Lyons McKenna
Snelling Daniher Fantasia
Tippa McKernan Stringer
TBC* Parish Shiel
Smith McGrath Cutler Langford

Future planning
*Draper replaces TBC
^BZT replace Hooker
Heppell would be a terrible full-time defender; rather see Gleeson back there, he's defensively sound and very underrated as an offensive conduit.
 

Yoda_

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Another Irish bloke on the list! 3 would have to be the record at one time correct? Time for another blockbuster game, the annual Saint Paddy’s game.
What I like most is that he is to be groomed as a key defender. Getting a free hit at a key defender is great for list balance but would still like a young key forward through the draft.
 

Lore

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Another Irish bloke on the list! 3 would have to be the record at one time correct? Time for another blockbuster game, the annual Saint Paddy’s game.
That'd have to be round one haha, maybe better if it's an AFLW thing :eyes:

"The budding defender is 197cm and 90kg, a strong mark, ran sub-three seconds for the 20m sprint and placed in the top five in the running vertical jump (87cm)."

Not to put the weight of the world on his shoulders or anything, but I feel like he might fill a need.

I mean not as a defender but in the tradition of Essendon swingmen lol
 

MarkG

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Both are quite mobile; think they'd play together OK

Hooker is really the only dinosaur KPP we have. Brown does his best work up the ground or leading wide, Jenkins & McKernan are your more straight line players. McKernan runs in a straight line at opposition players, Jenkins away from them.
Not true about Jenkins. Reason why he gets in behind the defence to score goals is that he is a gut runner. His defender
cant keep up.

McKernan improved a lot this year, but his final against West Coast was a freaking disgrace. We were relying on him so
much to play well. He had 1 possession to half time and kept ducking his head when attempting to mark. It is as
though he was frightened of McGovern who probably told him I will biff you behind the ear each mark you take.
McKernan was put into the ruck and was crushed there as well. He finished with 2 hitouts and 4 possessions.

Jenkins scores on average 2+ goals a game. He is a class player.

I reckon Jenkins is exactly what we need if we are to feature in finals in 2020. I hope like hell that we get him.
 

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