Strategy Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

ant555

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What I like most is that he is to be groomed as a key defender. Getting a free hit at a key defender is great for list balance but would still like a young key forward through the draft.
Trouble is there are limited KPF prospects in the draft. This year is certainly a t"take best available" draft so we may not end up covering all needs.
 

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Dunno if this is the right thread.....

With the two Irishman we have just signed in Ross McQuillan and Cian McBride, it will be interesting to see who we list as a Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie.

AFL rules keen you can only have one rookie on your Cat B list. I imagine we will use it for McBride as he is a bigger unit and will take longer to develop as a KPF.

McQuillan will end up Cat A, will be interesting to see how both go.

As an aside, between McKenna, McGrath, McKernan now McBride and McQuillan and possible McCartin - is this the new St Kilda 'Jack' thing?
 

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Given the lack of KPFs in this group of kids do you think that might push him even higher in the draft?
VFL (state leaguers in general) players barely get picked up before the 3rd round for whatever reason unless they are absolute elite prospects (I.e Kelly and Isaac Smith).
The lack of KPF stocks might slide him into the top 50, however I doubt Riccardi goes before the 3rd round.
 

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Another Irish bloke on the list! 3 would have to be the record at one time correct? Time for another blockbuster game, the annual Saint Paddy’s game.

I reckon Carlton might have had 4 or 5 at one stage.

Two "Kierans", Toohey and Setanta. Possibly another small.

McBride is a good signing.

The interesting thing is whether they will be settled in defence and be given full time minutes.

They almost certainly wont be viable AFL selections next year so it has a short term impact on depth.
 
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I reckon Carlton might have had 4 or 5 at one stage.

Two "Kierans", Toohey and Setanta. Possibly another small.

McBride is a good signing.

The interesting thing is whether they will be settled in defence and be given full time minutes.

They almost certainly wont be viable AFL selections next year so it has a short term impact on depth.
What could possibly go wrong.......
 

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Not true about Jenkins. Reason why he gets in behind the defence to score goals is that he is a gut runner. His defender
cant keep up.

McKernan improved a lot this year, but his final against West Coast was a freaking disgrace. We were relying on him so
much to play well. He had 1 possession to half time and kept ducking his head when attempting to mark. It is as
though he was frightened of McGovern who probably told him I will biff you behind the ear each mark you take.
McKernan was put into the ruck and was crushed there as well. He finished with 2 hitouts and 4 possessions.

Jenkins scores on average 2+ goals a game. He is a class player.

I reckon Jenkins is exactly what we need if we are to feature in finals in 2020. I hope like hell that we get him.
McKernan is at the stage of stretching his career out, no point getting injured in a game we cant win, snagged a contract, now see if he can get another one , 30 years old
 

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Riccardi I feel should be the one we draft in the 3rd round.
100% this
If we can take Riccardi with 33 I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't offer Mitch Brown a new contract. Gives us a young power forward to develop and someone who could play as early as 2020.
 

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Given the lack of KPFs in this group of kids do you think that might push him even higher in the draft?
I doubt it. He's no Tim Kelly, which is basically the level you need to be to go first two rounds
Dunno if this is the right thread.....

With the two Irishman we have just signed in Ross McQuillan and Cian McBride, it will be interesting to see who we list as a Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie.

AFL rules keen you can only have one rookie on your Cat B list. I imagine we will use it for McBride as he is a bigger unit and will take longer to develop as a KPF.

McQuillan will end up Cat A, will be interesting to see how both go.

As an aside, between McKenna, McGrath, McKernan now McBride and McQuillan and possible McCartin - is this the new St Kilda 'Jack' thing?
Yeah, definitely think McQuillan will be the Cat A.
100% this
If we can take Riccardi with 33 I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't offer Mitch Brown a new contract. Gives us a young power forward to develop and someone who could play as early as 2020.
I don't think 33 is the place. I think he lasts to the 3rd round honestly.
 

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How many players left to delist?

Assuming Zac Clarke is the first guy out the door.

Long and Clarke, and I'm not phased on Hartley either. I'd prefer to give BZT the games that require a KPD to come into the side.

Hope we can move around and get creative with 61, 64 and 65.
 

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So...

About that midfield. Still missing a prolific ball winner or two.

How far away is Dylan Clarke as a pure inside mid? I think we need to look at mids in the state league like Hibberd
 

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I keep forgetting to point it out, but on the player list on the club's website Will Snelling is on the senior list. Dunno if someone goofed or if he's being upgraded and we haven't been told yet. He's an out of contract rookie last I heard.
 

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Main List:

Out: Myers (retired), Baguley (retired), Houlahan (delisted)
In: Draper (upgraded), Phillips (Carlton), Cutler (Brisbane)

Picks, 31, 33, 61 (Draper upgrade)

Means Hartley and Brown can't be kept (to use picks 31 and 33).
Surely we get rid of Jake Long before Brown?
 

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Main List:

Out: Myers (retired), Baguley (retired), Houlahan (delisted)
In: Draper (upgraded), Phillips (Carlton), Cutler (Brisbane)

Picks, 31, 33, 61 (Draper upgrade)

Means Hartley and Brown can't be kept (to use picks 31 and 33).
Well Long will go also. So either Hartley or Brown gone, Hartley being the reasonable assumption. Though I'd have no problem at all with both.

As far as rookies go. Dea is gone, Draper upgraded and you'd assume Clarke is gone too. McNiece/Lavender gone too but they were cat b. So Snelling in, 1 of the Irish lads in, which leaves 1 rookie spot also.
 
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The way i see it z clarke and jake long need to be delisted and both Brown and Hartley need to be put on the rookie list. We can have 40 on the main list, we only had 38 this year. So with the addition of Drapes, Cutler and Phillips, they take the places of Bags, Myers and Houlahan. So still 38. Downgrade both Brown and Hartley to the rookie list takes us to 36. Use 4 picks at the national draft brings us back up to 40. We then can have 7 on the rookie list including cat bs. Jok, Mynott, Snelling, Hartley, Brown and the 2 new irish lads are the 7 rookies.
 

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Surely we get rid of Jake Long before Brown?
Well Long will go also. So either Hartley or Brown gone, Hartley being the reasonable assumption. Though I'd have no problem at all with both.

As far as rookies go. Dea is gone, Draper upgraded and you'd assume Clarke is gone too. McNiece/Lavender gone too but they were cat b. So Snelling in, 1 of the Irish lads in, which leaves 1 rookie spot also.
I was discussing main list. Agree long gone, but it just frees up a rookie spot.
 

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So as I understand it

We have 35 currently contracted on the senior list (including Cutler and Phillips) with Draper likely to be upgraded to make 36.
We also have 3 rookies likely to be kept in Snelling, Jok and Mynott, although I am unsure as to their contract status.

That leaves on the precipice:
Hartley (Re - Rookie)
Brown (1 year)
Long - Delist
Z.Clarke (R) - Delist

So I would delist Hartley and promise to 're rookie him. If he gets picked up as a DFA or in the draft then we wish him all the best. Brown's versatility is more important, personally. Z.Clarke and Long are self explanatory.

That leaves us with 37 main list players and 4 rookies (Counting Draper in the main list).

We can go with 3 draft picks to use and we pick up no rookies.
So essentially 31, 33 and 61 and Draper (no rookies)

Alternatively we can use two ND picks and include Draper and pick up another rookie.
So 31, 33 and Draper + 1 rookie

Will be interesting to see what happens
 

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I get the feeling that Dodoro and co are more bullish about the placement of the list than I am. Still can't fathom how we'll mix in September with poor post clearance contested ball and poor ball use.
 

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