Strategy Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

[ghostdog]

So right now off the senior/cat a list of last year (39/5) we have:

Out: Mark Baguley, David Myers, Jordan Houlahan, Matthew Dea
In: Andrew Phillips, Tom Cutler, Ross McQuillan (assuming he'll be the Cat A of the two)

Which leaves us at 38/6 (not including the Draper promotion). We need to cut 2 more players. Logically it's Clarke and Long, as well as a Draper promotion. That leaves 3 spots on the senior list. Most seasons I'd honestly want a 38/6 split (easier to promote Cat B rookies) but realistically we're looking at a 39/5 or 40/4 split. I wouldn't be shocked to see Hartley, Brown or even Mynott get delisted as well.

I'm shocked that you see Brown as a possible delisting. Flummoxed actually. You've fallen out of love so suddenly.

 

[eth-dog]

I'm shocked that you see Brown as a possible delisting. Flummoxed actually. You've fallen out of love so suddenly.

It's not that I don't like him, but what's his role heading into 2019? When you look at those still OOC, you have:

Clarke (29)
Brown (29)
Long (23)
Hartley (25)
Mynott (20)
Snelling (22)
Jok (22)

He and Clarke are the oldest players in that group by a fair margin.

 

[ghostdog]

It's not that I don't like him, but what's his role heading into 2019? When you look at those still OOC, you have:

Clarke (29)
Brown (29)
Long (23)
Hartley (25)
Mynott (20)
Snelling (22)
Jok (22)

He and Clarke are the oldest players in that group by a fair margin.

I'm stirring. I'd keep him until we're more confident in Joe. He still gets on his bike which is helpful for Jake and Walla at the very least. Clarke, Long and maybe Hartley I think.

 

[TheGrizz]

It's not that I don't like him, but what's his role heading into 2019? When you look at those still OOC, you have:

Clarke (29)
Brown (29)
Long (23)
Hartley (25)
Mynott (20)
Snelling (22)
Jok (22)

He and Clarke are the oldest players in that group by a fair margin.

Yeah, with question marks still surrounding Daniher (and let's not forget Stewart as well), Brown becomes handy depth.

Hartley may be an unlucky casualty unfortunately. Maybe we re-rookie him? Alternatively if he has other offers for a senior spot at say Hawthorn or Norf then I would let him go with our blessing. The guy deserves a fair crack at senior footy.

 

[Old Campaigner]

It's not that I don't like him, but what's his role heading into 2019? When you look at those still OOC, you have:

Clarke (29)
Brown (29)
Long (23)
Hartley (25)
Mynott (20)
Snelling (22)
Jok (22)

He and Clarke are the oldest players in that group by a fair margin.

I'd be surprised if we delist anyone over 195cm tall (Clarke excepted) until we know for sure if Daniher can make it onto the park in 2020.

 

[vass44]

Brown has been one of our more reliable tall forwards over the last couple of years - only Stringer has had better output than him and he has Smack covered for disposals and goals averages so no way would I be cutting him from the list. He has earnt his stripes and deserves a 1 year deal in my opinion- particularly with big question marks over the fitness/durability of Stewart/Daniher/Laverde etc


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[Zach Package]

He's a late pick and gets minimal coin. His role is utility i guess, when he gets the call up. All im saying is he has a crack and is not soft.

and when the rest of the team is as soft as they are that’s a genuine playing role

 

[BrunoV]

Brown has been one of our more reliable tall forwards over the last couple of years - only Stringer has had better output than him and he has Smack covered for disposals and goals averages so no way would I be cutting him from the list. He has earnt his stripes and deserves a 1 year deal in my opinion- particularly with big question marks over the fitness/durability of Stewart/Daniher/Laverde etc


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Reliable as long as we're not playing in a big game.

 

[Yoda_]

It's not that I don't like him, but what's his role heading into 2019? When you look at those still OOC, you have:

Clarke (29)
Brown (29)
Long (23)
Hartley (25)
Mynott (20)
Snelling (22)
Jok (22)

He and Clarke are the oldest players in that group by a fair margin.

What bothers me is that we are trying to (essentially) carry the same type of player in 3 different guys (possibly 4). A middle aged KPF who plays well sporadically.

Brown (29)
McKernan (29)
Stewart (26)
Daniher (26)

IMHO, we should only be carrying two of these guys on the list and replace one with a young developing KPF (alongside Gown) and replace the other with an inside midfielder.

We are far to top heavy with very little output from this group when looking at it in isolation

 

[owen87]

What bothers me is that we are trying to (essentially) carry the same type of player in 3 different guys (possibly 4). A middle aged KPF who plays well sporadically.

Brown (29)
McKernan (29)
Stewart (26)
Daniher (26)

IMHO, we should only be carrying two of these guys on the list and replace one with a young developing KPF (alongside Gown) and replace the other with an inside midfielder.

We are far to top heavy with very little output from this group when looking at it in isolation

I'd daresay if Stewart and Daniher had both been fit and in form the last two seasons Brown & McKernan wouldn't be on the list. McKernan might have kept a rookie spot as Ruck depth.

 

[Yoda_]

I'd daresay if Stewart and Daniher had both been fit and in form the last two seasons Brown & McKernan wouldn't be on the list. McKernan might have kept a rookie spot as Ruck depth.

And as a result we have an over balance of players in one position not performing. IMHO, we cut our losses with Stewart and go in with Brown as our depth KPF.

 

[owen87]

And as a result we have an over balance of players in one position not performing. IMHO, we cut our losses with Stewart and go in with Brown as our depth KPF.

Stewart is a funny one, if he can get injury free he's young enough to offer a good 5 years of service, but I doubt he'll be on the list for 2021 if he can't get on the park.

 

[Yoda_]

Stewart is a funny one, if he can get injury free he's young enough to offer a good 5 years of service, but I doubt he'll be on the list for 2021 if he can't get on the park.

With the club mismanaging him, they should consider putting him on the rookie list for 2020 and using that senior list spot on a kid.

 

[eth-dog]

And as a result we have an over balance of players in one position not performing. IMHO, we cut our losses with Stewart and go in with Brown as our depth KPF.

Cut our losses, with the equal youngest, who's had 1 injury in his AFL career, and statistically outperforms both Smack and Brown?

 

[Milanista28]

Long, Clarke, Jok and Mynott delisted

Thought Mynott was worth 1 more year, rest I understand.

 

[eth-dog]

Long, Clarke, Jok and Mynott delisted

Thought Mynott was worth 1 more year, rest I understand.

I thought Jok was going to be retained honestly.

 

[Milanista28]

I thought Jok was going to be retained honestly.

Yeah he had a claim for sure. 2 Irish kids Cutler and Phillips forced a squeeze I guess.

 

[eth-dog]

Yeah he had a claim for sure. 2 Irish kids Cutler and Phillips forced a squeeze I guess.

Most likely. Cutler was probably the one that forced him out.

With the Draper promotion, we're at 37/2 senior/Cat A. Makes me wonder if we're targeting someone in the SSP. Take 2 players at 31 and 33, DFA or SSP someone, 2 players in the rookie draft.

 

[BomberTime]

Yeah he had a claim for sure. 2 Irish kids Cutler and Phillips forced a squeeze I guess.

One of the Irish kids go on the cat b list. Surprised with Jok, thought he was worth another year. Whole new rookie list next year with the expected promotion of Draper.

 

[eth-dog]

One of the Irish kids go on the cat b list. Surprised with Jok, thought he was worth another year. Whole new rookie list next year with the expected promotion of Draper.

I think the fact we got 2 and one had to be on the Cat A list is what he was referring to. And Draper must be promoted, you can only spend 3 years on the rookie list.

 

[eth-dog]

Okay, doing the thing again (I'm guessing Hartley/Brown/Snelling are all retained):

Defence:

Key defenders: Michael Hurley, Cale Hooker (fwd), Patrick Ambrose, Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, Michael Hartley (ruc); Rookie: Cian McBride
Medium defenders: Martin Gleeson, Aaron Francis, Jordan Ridley (mid)
Small defenders: Mason Redman, Adam Saad, Conor McKenna; Rookie: Ross McQuillan

Midfield:

Inside midfielders: Darcy Parish, Devon Smith (fwd), Zach Merrett, Dylan Shiel, Kobe Mutch (def), Dyson Heppell (def), Dylan Clarke; Rookie: Will Snelling (fwd)
Outside midfielders: Andrew McGrath (def), Kyle Langford (fwd), David Zaharakis (fwd), Brayden Ham (fwd), Matthew Guelfi (def), Tom Cutler (def)
Rucks: Tom Bellchambers (fwd), Andrew Phillips, Sam Draper

Forward:

Key forwards: Joe Daniher, James Stewart, Mitchell Brown (def), Noah Gown, Shaun McKernan (ruc)
Medium forwards: Jayden Laverde, Josh Begley (mid), Jake Stringer (mid)
Small forwards: Orazio Fantasia, Irving Mosquito, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti

For me we need another young key forward (Riccardi), a developing ruck/forward (Bowman), 2x inside mids (Stephens, ???) and maybe a small defender.

 

[TheGrizz]

So is Snelling a rookie or a senior listed player?
I thought he is a rookie but he seems to be on the senior player page on the website.

Jok, and Mynott unlucky personally but I imagine Cutler cost Jok and maybe impending SSP (Hibberd?) cost Mynott.

 

[eth-dog]

So is Snelling a rookie or a senior listed player?
I thought he is a rookie but he seems to be on the senior player page on the website.

Jok, and Mynott unlucky personally but I imagine Cutler cost Jok and maybe impending SSP (Hibberd?) cost Mynott.

The MSD is a rookie draft.

 

[TheGrizz]

So we currently have 36 contracted senior listed players (Including Cutler and Phillips and Draper being promoted)
We also have 1 contracted rookie in Snelling

Regarding Brown and Hartley, i imagine we recontract both of them.
Brown gives good depth on both ends of the field (was a handy defender in 2016) and we know wjat Hartley is by now.
In reality if we are serious about contending, senior KPP depth is vital (as opposed to a speculative pick 60 odd), especially with the dodgy injury run of Joe, Stewart Hooker and Hurley the last 18 month's.

That leaves us with 38 senior players and 1 rookie heading into the draft.

This allows for two live picks and up to 3 rookie picks on current calculations.
I would see if we can trade up with 31 and 33 to get an impact player in the teens (River or Stephens) and pick up a developmental KPF later in the draft (Riccardi hopefully, or Jeremy O'Sullivan/Emerson Jeka if not).
I imagine one rookie spot could be a SSP for a mature mid (I.e Hibberd or Partington or Keays) and then pick up a developing ruck like Bowman and McQuillan (Irish recruit) fills the last spot

McBride fills a Cat B spot, I am a bit fuzzy on the rules but if Tippa 2.0 goes through both drafts can we sign him as a Cat B as well cause he is from the Tiwi?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Assume Rutten has been brought in to all list management decision making.

Wonder if his influence has anything to do with a seemingly tougher approach (Mynott, Jok etc).