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I want to thank you for defending the witnesses BlueE. I haven't forgotten that you asked about what my father told me, however I've been checking other forums like Justice Tribunal and Beaumont meanwhile and it's done my head in a bit. It's hard to be succinct when it comes to 'what I was told' re-SM, but maybe I'll be able to break it down to something more simple later. I'll get back later...and once again...Thanks!.
I'd look forward to anything that you can tell us of what your father said and might've thought it was about.

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In the meantime I can't quite wade through all of Petedavo's "Davidsonian Institute" details you've posted so he might be apply the information if applicable to to this post.

I think most agree that the identity of SM, how he died and what he was doing in Adelaide he was doing was known to a higher level than police. However I suspect that one police officer (Det Sgt Leane) and possibly the coroner Cleland knew at least part of the story and their actions may have contributed to the confusion about how no conclusion was made about SM's identity and who was responsible for his death.

I've said many times that the police picture they distributed and said was SM did not match his written physical description of his body or hair of the plaster cast made of him. I believe the following two identikits based on the plaster reconstruction of his face give a better indication of what SM looked like. The gingery blonde hair caught in the plaster also suggest a far lighter hair colour than the second identikit.

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https://tamamshud.blogspot.com/2014/06/somerton-man-photo-realistic-image.html

He's 5'11" and his shoulder are very broad, grey eyes, receding hairline with no part and has an athletic physique and prominent defined calf muscles.

I can't see much resemblance to the police photo and am curious if the photo was of a different man.

Three people (Mrs. Elizabeth Thompson, widow of Morgan, and Stanley Peter Salotti, driver, of Nile street. Port Adelaide and James Mack -see Tamam Shud wiki) recognised the photograph and then identified the body as missing woodcuttter Robert Walsh. However Walsh would have been 63 years old and police were not satisfied with the identification as SM was thought to be around 40 years of age.

"When Mrs. Thompson identified the body she broke down and wept." She had a strong story to proved she knew Mr Walsh well and was very upset when she identified him.

I'm curious if the there was a second body who was Mr Robert Walsh and his photo was distributed and said to be the Somerton man?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/43798696

SOMERTON BODY SAID TO BE THAT OF WOODCUTTER.

Although police are not yet satisfied with the identification, two persons last night claimed that the body of a man found at Somerton on December 1 was that of Robert Walsh, woodcutter, formerly of Morgan.

The identification was made by Mrs. Elizabeth Thompson, widow of Morgan, and Stanley Peter Salotti, driver, of Nile street. Port Adelaide. Detectives are not satisfied with the identification because of a discrepancy in the age of Walsh and that of the body.

Thompson gave Walsh's age as 63. while the police believe the dead man to have been about 40. Mrs. Thompson told police: last night that she did not believe the Somerton body to be that of Walsh until she saw a photograph in a newspaper last Saturday.

According to Mrs. Thompson, Walsh boarded with her periodically at Morgan up till a fortnight before Christmas, 1947.when he left for Brisbane. She had arranged to meet him in Brisbane that Christmas but did not keep the appointment.

Mrs. Thompson said that she heard no more of Walsh until she received a remembrance card and some money for 'Mother's Day. 1948. The card was sent from Crow's Nest NSW.

Mrs. Thompson first met Walsh eight or nine years ago when he began boarding with her. He was then employed as a woodcutter in the Morgan district, and continued in that work until he left for Brisbane.

As far as Mrs. Thompson knew, Walsh had no relatives in Australia. He was a Welshman and had a sister in Wales. Al-though he never divulged his age. Mrs. Thompson believed Walsh to be about 63.

To substantiate her claim, Mrs. Thompson took to police headquarters a photograph of herself and Walsh, taken several years ago.

When Mrs. Thompson saw the photograph of the dead man in the newspaper, she contacted Salotti. Who also knew Walsh. They both separately identified the body as that of Walsh.

Silotti said he first met Walsh three years ago when the man boarded with him for a week at his Port Adelaide home. He saw him last at the Victoria Park racecourse 18 months ago.

When Mrs. Thompson identified the body she broke down and wept. The body is consistent with that of a man who was once a woodcutter. The hands, however, do not suggest that he had done any woodcutting during the past 18 months.

The identification of the body has provided detectives with one of the most unusual cases of its type in the history of the SA police force.
 

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Gary Feltus printed the whole interview of Ina Harvey’s interview with Tom Loftus in “The Unknown Man” (pp.197-200). peteb if you could help out with the text from the book I'd appreciate it as I can't access the book on any e books or book sellers.

From other blogs printed about Ina's recollection of the man she thought matched the description of SM that stayed at Strathmore Hotel, where she was a receptionist for 2 nights before checking out on the 30th November could be important in identifying him. Firstly he didn't exactly mangle the English language, his polite manner and neat and tidy appearance suggests someone with English as his second language and European from early police reports into him.

https://anemptyglass.fandom.com/wiki/The_Strathmore_Hotel

Ina Harvey and the Strathmore Hotel

In 1948, Ina Harvey was working as a receptionist at the Strathmore Hotel, which was just across the street from Adelaide Railway Station. In 1982, she was interviewed by Tom Loftus from Adelaide News. Harvey recalled a “strong and fit”, “professional” man with “an air of refinement” who had checked into the Hotel a few days before the 1st of December, 1948.

She noted that “[He] had no baggage, except for a small black case – such as a doctor or musician who played the flute might carry”. Because she had suspicions about the man, she asked an employee to go into the man’s room (#21 or #23, she couldn’t recall) and have a look in the mysterious case – to her surprise, “the only item in the case was a needle”. Furthermore, “[from the employee’s] description I got the impression it could have been a hypodermic syringe.”

Gerry Feltus very helpfully included the text of Ina Harvey’s interview with Tom Loftus in “The Unknown Man” (pp.197-200).

Harvey's account of events has been called into question, Gerry Feltus apparently says her account is ‘all crap.’ DA says ‘it’s best to ignore her and even her relatives thought she was 'a bit queer'. [1]

Ina Harvey is the sister of Lawrence Elliot, the man who embalmed the Somerton Man.


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No mention of anything inside the cae except for a large needle, possibly hypodermic needle?

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Vintage Hypodermic needle

If it was some sort of hypodermic needle could it have been used fro transporting something like "heavy water" or something in uranium enrichment procedures?
 

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In consideration that Hembley-Scales had married a daughter of a Dutch diplomat, I'm did some digging into Dutch East Indies intelligence and special Ops during and after WW2.
Dutch intelligence after the fall of Netherlands East Indies were basically divided into two, and due to the lack of manpower they were based in Ceylon under the British and Australia under the US. It's worthy to note that whilst Australian Z forces had some success penetrating behind the lines in South East Asia, the Dutch operations from Australia were all compromised leading to Japanese capture and execution of all Dutch Agents. The only successes for the Dutch came from a couple of operations staged from Ceylon. The failures have generally been attributed to a lack of training and Indonesian nationalism meaning that the locals dobbed in white people as soon as they saw them, but this hardly explains Australian, US and British successes in the same environments. Were the Dutch being betrayed?

As an aside,
I can't fathom any current reason for the records of Thomas Ambrose Keane of 19 Abingdon St, Brisbane, nor the Eureka Youth League in Queensland up-to 1949 still being embargoed due to National Security concerns. Many other ASIO files of notable Australians have been released since 1996. Why not these ones? The decision makes absolutely no sense

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In the meantime I can't quite wade through all of Petedavo's "Davidsonian Institute" details you've posted so he might be apply the information if applicable to to this post.

I think most agree that the identity of SM, how he died and what he was doing in Adelaide he was doing was known to a higher level than police. However I suspect that one police officer (Det Sgt Leane) and possibly the coroner Cleland knew at least part of the story and their actions may have contributed to the confusion about how no conclusion was made about SM's identity and who was responsible for his death.

I've said many times that the police picture they distributed and said was SM did not match his written physical description of his body or hair of the plaster cast made of him. I believe the following two identikits based on the plaster reconstruction of his face give a better indication of what SM looked like. The gingery blonde hair caught in the plaster also suggest a far lighter hair colour than the second identikit.

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https://tamamshud.blogspot.com/2014/06/somerton-man-photo-realistic-image.html

He's 5'11" and his shoulder are very broad, grey eyes, receding hairline with no part and has an athletic physique and prominent defined calf muscles.

I can't see much resemblance to the police photo and am curious if the photo was of a different man.

Three people (Mrs. Elizabeth Thompson, widow of Morgan, and Stanley Peter Salotti, driver, of Nile street. Port Adelaide and James Mack -see Tamam Shud wiki) recognised the photograph and then identified the body as missing woodcuttter Robert Walsh. However Walsh would have been 63 years old and police were not satisfied with the identification as SM was thought to be around 40 years of age.

"When Mrs. Thompson identified the body she broke down and wept." She had a strong story to proved she knew Mr Walsh well and was very upset when she identified him.

I'm curious if the there was a second body who was Mr Robert Walsh and his photo was distributed and said to be the Somerton man?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/43798696

SOMERTON BODY SAID TO BE THAT OF WOODCUTTER.

Although police are not yet satisfied with the identification, two persons last night claimed that the body of a man found at Somerton on December 1 was that of Robert Walsh, woodcutter, formerly of Morgan.

The identification was made by Mrs. Elizabeth Thompson, widow of Morgan, and Stanley Peter Salotti, driver, of Nile street. Port Adelaide. Detectives are not satisfied with the identification because of a discrepancy in the age of Walsh and that of the body.

Thompson gave Walsh's age as 63. while the police believe the dead man to have been about 40. Mrs. Thompson told police: last night that she did not believe the Somerton body to be that of Walsh until she saw a photograph in a newspaper last Saturday.

According to Mrs. Thompson, Walsh boarded with her periodically at Morgan up till a fortnight before Christmas, 1947.when he left for Brisbane. She had arranged to meet him in Brisbane that Christmas but did not keep the appointment.

Mrs. Thompson said that she heard no more of Walsh until she received a remembrance card and some money for 'Mother's Day. 1948. The card was sent from Crow's Nest NSW.

Mrs. Thompson first met Walsh eight or nine years ago when he began boarding with her. He was then employed as a woodcutter in the Morgan district, and continued in that work until he left for Brisbane.

As far as Mrs. Thompson knew, Walsh had no relatives in Australia. He was a Welshman and had a sister in Wales. Al-though he never divulged his age. Mrs. Thompson believed Walsh to be about 63.

To substantiate her claim, Mrs. Thompson took to police headquarters a photograph of herself and Walsh, taken several years ago.

When Mrs. Thompson saw the photograph of the dead man in the newspaper, she contacted Salotti. Who also knew Walsh. They both separately identified the body as that of Walsh.

Silotti said he first met Walsh three years ago when the man boarded with him for a week at his Port Adelaide home. He saw him last at the Victoria Park racecourse 18 months ago.

When Mrs. Thompson identified the body she broke down and wept. The body is consistent with that of a man who was once a woodcutter. The hands, however, do not suggest that he had done any woodcutting during the past 18 months.

The identification of the body has provided detectives with one of the most unusual cases of its type in the history of the SA police force.
I did at one point entertain the thought that Somerton Man may of been related to Senator R V Keane due to "He's 5'11" and his shoulder are very broad, grey eyes, receding hairline with no part" but Senator RV Keane doesn't have those distinctive genetic ears. However, I know nothing of RVK's first wife, nor his son, whom I presume was packed off to live with relatives after his first wife died. I think the Thomas Ambrose Keane from 2 Speight St Newport is RVK's son. I'm trying to find a picture of either to confirm that they didn't have the ear affliction. However if the Thomas Keane of Newport is the same Tom Keane who was thrown out of the Labor Party, and named in a 1956 Royal Commission, and was a keen tennis player for Williamstown Tennis Club then he obviously was alive and well when Somerton Man died.
However, they could be two different Tom Keane'es.
Newport Railway Workshops did have a metallurgical laboratory BTW and trained there own laboratory technicians.
(I used to work there in the early 1980's)
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Gary Feltus printed the whole interview of Ina Harvey’s interview with Tom Loftus in “The Unknown Man” (pp.197-200). peteb if you could help out with the text from the book I'd appreciate it as I can't access the book on any e books or book sellers.

From other blogs printed about Ina's recollection of the man she thought matched the description of SM that stayed at Strathmore Hotel, where she was a receptionist for 2 nights before checking out on the 30th November could be important in identifying him. Firstly he didn't exactly mangle the English language, his polite manner and neat and tidy appearance suggests someone with English as his second language and European from early police reports into him.

https://anemptyglass.fandom.com/wiki/The_Strathmore_Hotel

Ina Harvey and the Strathmore Hotel

In 1948, Ina Harvey was working as a receptionist at the Strathmore Hotel, which was just across the street from Adelaide Railway Station. In 1982, she was interviewed by Tom Loftus from Adelaide News. Harvey recalled a “strong and fit”, “professional” man with “an air of refinement” who had checked into the Hotel a few days before the 1st of December, 1948.

She noted that “[He] had no baggage, except for a small black case – such as a doctor or musician who played the flute might carry”. Because she had suspicions about the man, she asked an employee to go into the man’s room (#21 or #23, she couldn’t recall) and have a look in the mysterious case – to her surprise, “the only item in the case was a needle”. Furthermore, “[from the employee’s] description I got the impression it could have been a hypodermic syringe.”

Gerry Feltus very helpfully included the text of Ina Harvey’s interview with Tom Loftus in “The Unknown Man” (pp.197-200).

Harvey's account of events has been called into question, Gerry Feltus apparently says her account is ‘all crap.’ DA says ‘it’s best to ignore her and even her relatives thought she was 'a bit queer'. [1]

Ina Harvey is the sister of Lawrence Elliot, the man who embalmed the Somerton Man.


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Vintage Hypodermic needle

If it was some sort of hypodermic needle could it have been used fro transporting something like "heavy water" or something in uranium enrichment procedures?
I hate to tell you, BlueE, but I burnt everything except GF's book ... including a copy of the paper that had the Harvey interview, although I do know you can get a copy from the archives in SA but it can only be done in person.
The one thing I noted was that Harvey described a small leather case that looked like a doctor's bag -- you know, the one with a needle -- well, a flute case is about the same size, and flutes have cleaning needles.
Then the conspirator then in me wondered why a man would book into a hotel for a few days with only that as his luggage .. and spend a couple of hours each day sitting in the lobby .. while staying elsewhere. Harvey said he didn't even take a drink, but they spoke from time to time, she was the receptionist.
The small leather case may have been his indicator, the Kensitas smokes in the Army club pack an indicator for the other man - two men, unknown to each other, in town to meet and exchange something.
Believe me, I figured it all out and wrote a book that has everything in it but the truth.
 

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Record at NAA of a Thomas Ambrose Keane of 19 Abington St, South Brisbane opened in 1945 is not available due to National Security concerns



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PeteD, I remember somebody mentioning that restricted file some years ago, probably Byron Deveson, but didn't have any copies of the file.. this is worth a hot dig, davo, we need to know when he was born ... I'll see if I can beat you to it starting from scratch.
 

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I hate to tell you, BlueE, but I burnt everything except GF's book ... including a copy of the paper that had the Harvey interview, although I do know you can get a copy from the archives in SA but it can only be done in person.
The one thing I noted was that Harvey described a small leather case that looked like a doctor's bag -- you know, the one with a needle -- well, a flute case is about the same size, and flutes have cleaning needles.
Then the conspirator then in me wondered why a man would book into a hotel for a few days with only that as his luggage .. and spend a couple of hours each day sitting in the lobby .. while staying elsewhere. Harvey said he didn't even take a drink, but they spoke from time to time, she was the receptionist.
The small leather case may have been his indicator, the Kensitas smokes in the Army club pack an indicator for the other man - two men, unknown to each other, in town to meet and exchange something.
Believe me, I figured it all out and wrote a book that has everything in it but the truth.
Might have to read The Bookmaker from Rabaul, for entertainment purposes.
BTW, next time you're up in Bryon Bay, say hi to my uncle Alf Burley for me. He's always on his surfboard or in Cambodia so he's uncontactable through the usual means. ;)

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PeteD, I remember somebody mentioning that restricted file some years ago, probably Byron Deveson, but didn't have any copies of the file.. this is worth a hot dig, davo, we need to know when he was born ... I'll see if I can beat you to it starting from scratch.
Someone at this bloke's address was selling musical instruments in the newspaper classifieds during the 40's.

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Another? Thomas Ambrose Keane, born 1910, residing with an Aunt at 2 Speight St Newport, and working at Newport Workshops Victoria joined the Army Cadets in 1923.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/AutoSearch.asp?O=I&Number=30986094
Check the handwriting at the top of the form against the clothing label to confirm any difference. However it might not be Thomas that filled in the form.





No 2 Speight St Newport, as it looks today. (Not much difference to the 1920's, except for the car port)
Born in 1910 makes him younger than about 48
 

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Born in 1910 makes him younger than about 48
39.
If he was SM, which seems unlikely.
But I think it's unlikely, that he's the same dude from Queensland with an ASIO file, as there's a Tom Keane still at Newport Victoria, when this ASIO file was opened in Queensland in 1942.

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Another? Thomas Ambrose Keane, born 1910, residing with an Aunt at 2 Speight St Newport, and working at Newport Workshops Victoria joined the Army Cadets in 1923.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/AutoSearch.asp?O=I&Number=30986094
Check the handwriting at the top of the form against the clothing label to confirm any difference. However it might not be Thomas that filled in the form.





No 2 Speight St Newport, as it looks today. (Not much difference to the 1920's, except for the car port)
In 1918 a "T Keane" was at 2 Speight St Newport



By October 1943, a family named "Tyrer" were living at 2 Speight St Newport.


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I found a website that names Senator Richard Valentine Keane's son. It's Rex.
Just leaving these pictures of Senator Keane here to determine at some point if there's any possible hereditary similarities to Somerton Man. I haven't found any pictures of his son, Rex, as yet, or any of his brothers or nephews and I have no information as yet on whether any have the first initial T. It would seem unlikely, that there would be an reason to withhold the identity of Somerton Man if the only reason is that he was related to a cabinet minister who died 2 years before. I'm happy to rule this out without any further delving, but I'll park this here in case someone else wants to delve into some genealogical research.


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Talking of Rabaul and Spies.
A tale of espionage in the 1940's (the bloke is too young to be Somerton Man, and anyhow appears to have died before 1948).

My Grandfather's cousin, Cyril Burley, had an interesting experience with an Australian Intelligence Officer whilst a war correspondent in New Guinea.

This one involved an intelligence officer named Captain John Joseph Murphy, who was eventually honorably acquitted of a treachery charge.
News clippings»
Court Marshall records»
This one has "Dead" written across it

Murphy's Service Record (which strongly suggests that he was actually passing information to the Japanese)»

Most interesting, is the accusations by Cyril about censorship of his stories and the exposure of his sources. See page 19»
It reads as though, Cyril might of believed that someone was trying to disrupt the court Marshall process and cover things up.


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I hate to tell you, BlueE, but I burnt everything except GF's book ... including a copy of the paper that had the Harvey interview, although I do know you can get a copy from the archives in SA but it can only be done in person.
The one thing I noted was that Harvey described a small leather case that looked like a doctor's bag -- you know, the one with a needle -- well, a flute case is about the same size, and flutes have cleaning needles.
Then the conspirator then in me wondered why a man would book into a hotel for a few days with only that as his luggage .. and spend a couple of hours each day sitting in the lobby .. while staying elsewhere. Harvey said he didn't even take a drink, but they spoke from time to time, she was the receptionist.
The small leather case may have been his indicator, the Kensitas smokes in the Army club pack an indicator for the other man - two men, unknown to each other, in town to meet and exchange something.
Believe me, I figured it all out and wrote a book that has everything in it but the truth.
GF book reprinted the whole interview pp 197 -200 apparently. If you could take some photos and post those pages, it would be good to look at the whole interview.

Needle or hypodermic needle? Doctors case or flute case? I think this was SM. Her brother embalmed the body and she sound like the nosy type who may have asked her brother for a look at the body. It would make her certain in her own mind if no one listened to her at the time or she was warned off ID'ing.

It would narrow the search if it was determined he spoke English with an accent, which is how I take her statement that he didn't exactly mangle the English language. My guess at the moment is German (with American connections) and the communists involved with his murder.

Is it possible he stayed with Jo Harkness for those nights which is where his suitcase was and where he shaved. Went back to the hotel for whatever he had to do during the day, hanging around in the lobby?
 

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No nothing like it. Different nose, mouth, hairline, jaw, different coloured hair in real life compared to photo and no mole for a start.

Of course this is just my opinion, but I have experience in anlaysing images. I think someone with the excellent police identikit equipment should so another based on the bust, written descriptions and hair samples.

Also to have 3 eye witness regonising the photo and the woman bursting into tears when she viewed the body make me think she did recognise the body as Robert Walsh to have that visceral emotion connection. However it would be impossible for Robert Walsh to be SM but not impossible for there to be another body.

Lawson the man who made the bust mentioned the second body in his notes.
 

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Talking of Rabaul and Spies.
A tale of espionage in the 1940's (the bloke is too young to be Somerton Man, and anyhow appears to have died before 1948).

My Grandfather's cousin, Cyril Burley, had an interesting experience with an Australian Intelligence Officer whilst a war correspondent in New Guinea.

This one involved an intelligence officer named Captain John Joseph Murphy, who was eventually honorably acquitted of a treachery charge.
News clippings»
Court Marshall records»
This one has "Dead" written across it

Murphy's Service Record (which strongly suggests that he was actually passing information to the Japanese)»

Most interesting, is the accusations by Cyril about censorship of his stories and the exposure of his sources. See page 19»
It reads as though, Cyril might of believed that someone was trying to disrupt the court Marshall process and cover things up.


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Mjr William Jestyn Moulds and Alf Boxall served in the same small unit at the end of WW2.

Still wonder if there is a connection between Ernest Moulds and Jessica Harkness that Grey Crow found were married in England? It's very strange when she became pregnant around October of 1945 that she chose to have the baby as a single woman, unable to finish her nursing, with the social stigma and no obvious financial support, leaving her parent in Mentone, Sydney and going to Adelaide.

This may be incorrect but I read she went to Adelaide in March 1946 and gave birth to Robin in July 1946. Prosper Thompson was still married and living with his wife where they lived together in Mentone for at least 10 years, but he or both also went to Adelaide sometime in late 1946.

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Mjr William Jestyn Moulds and Alf Boxall served in the same small unit at the end of WW2.

Still wonder if there is a connection between Ernest Moulds and Jessica Harkness that Grey Crow found were married in England? It's very strange when she became pregnant around October of 1945 that she chose to have the baby as a single woman, unable to finish her nursing, with the social stigma and no obvious financial support, leaving her parent in Mentone, Sydney and going to Adelaide.

This may be incorrect but I read she went to Adelaide in March 1946 and gave birth to Robin in July 1946. Prosper Thompson was still married and living with his wife where they lived together in Mentone for at least 10 years, but he or both also went to Adelaide sometime in late 1946.

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Someone advertised a couple of prams for sale using the address of 19 Abingdon St Wooloongabba during 1946. The same address used in adverts to sell a piano and other musical equipment then all the rest of their worldly goods up-to 1948, including a caravan. The same address listed on the ASIO file for a Thomas Ambrose Keane, that shows that there was an inquiry into his whereabouts made in 1950. The file that was closed in 1952.
Presumably he disappeared and couldn't be found, or was declared deceased, otherwise the file would've kept going as surveillance into the EYL went on until it wound up well over a decade later.
And maybe it was a false name because the only other Thomas Ambrose Keane that could be found recorded was alive and still living in Victoria and had become a Catholic Priest. I think Thomas Ambrose Keane of 19 Abingdon St South Brisbane / West Gabba / Wooloongabba is the Somerton Man and is possibly one of his Aliases. He may of passed himself off as different characters in different states, like Walsh, the woodcutter, Reynolds the former seaman, etc. Maybe one of these is his real name. The real mystery is how and why he died, and why the obfuscation & subterfuge over his identity?

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On the other hand...
Maybe Somerton Man was redressed and placed upon the beach.
Maybe the suitcase was also left to be found as a decoy. Maybe the clothes and the suitcase actually belonged to someone else. The Thomas Ambrose Keane of Queensland?
Did Prosper Thompson kill Keane and dispose of him too?
Maybe Somerton Man will remain forever some poor unknown cove dressed in another victim's clothes?
Maybe there are other victims. Was Thompson a serial killer?
Poison however is the method usually of the female serial killer.
BTW, no one has asked the obvious yet.
If Somerton Man ate a pastie 2 hours before he died. And he supposedly died at 2am. Where did he buy a pastie at midnight?
There's only 1 possible answer...
He was invited in and served a pastie in someone's home.
Yes, he was murdered.
And the bloke on the beach, the night before? Was probably Prosper, setting up the scene so people would think that the Somerton Man was there all night and died there, when in fact Somerton Man was waiting inside Jessica's house whilst Prosper "went to buy some fags" to replace the one's that he bummed off Somerton Man.


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No nothing like it. Different nose, mouth, hairline, jaw, different coloured hair in real life compared to photo and no mole for a start.

Of course this is just my opinion, but I have experience in anlaysing images. I think someone with the excellent police identikit equipment should so another based on the bust, written descriptions and hair samples.

Also to have 3 eye witness regonising the photo and the woman bursting into tears when she viewed the body make me think she did recognise the body as Robert Walsh to have that visceral emotion connection. However it would be impossible for Robert Walsh to be SM but not impossible for there to be another body.

Lawson the man who made the bust mentioned the second body in his notes.
IMO it's clearly the same man, given the similarities I pointed out with the arrows (ie, the whole of his face), but let's agree to disagree, as usual. So your theory is they released, even though they didn't have to, a picture of a man that obviously no-one knew but who wasn't Somerton Man, even though witnesses saw Somerton Man and would likely dispute the picture that was him? Why would they? What end would it serve? Why not just release a picture of the 'real' Somerton Man?
 

peteb

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GF book reprinted the whole interview pp 197 -200 apparently. If you could take some photos and post those pages, it would be good to look at the whole interview.

Needle or hypodermic needle? Doctors case or flute case? I think this was SM. Her brother embalmed the body and she sound like the nosy type who may have asked her brother for a look at the body. It would make her certain in her own mind if no one listened to her at the time or she was warned off ID'ing.

It would narrow the search if it was determined he spoke English with an accent, which is how I take her statement that he didn't exactly mangle the English language. My guess at the moment is German (with American connections) and the communists involved with his murder.

Is it possible he stayed with Jo Harkness for those nights which is where his suitcase was and where he shaved. Went back to the hotel for whatever he had to do during the day, hanging around in the lobby?
Harvey also remembered him giving her a small blue (powder?) container before saying goodbye ... now that proves he wasn’t Australian, we only do that sort of thing for the little woman on her birthday or for mum on Mother’s Day.
 

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