Unsolved Taman Shud Case

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Let me help you a little, the hair on the back of the bust information came from the days of the University's FB page 'World Search For A rare copy of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam' 10 years or more ago and images that were distributed from there, they were the first images shown of the bust that showed hair. Perhaps check in with Professor Abbot about the location of the hair and the use of mortuary soap. Perhaps you can show just where the image that you show of hair is of? In Mr. Lawson's comments to Professor Abbot and to Clive, he had used soaps to flatten the hair on his head. Perhaps you should direct your questions to Professor Abbott or Paul Lawson on that. The photographs had not been elongated they came directly from the 3D video, I assume that you have watched it? If not perhaps you could spend a few minutes and then make comments: . The 3D video is a laser scan it effectively searches beneath the surface of the cast and reveals what's there.

Can you show us just where the images have been photoshopped? I have examined them very carefully and whilst some images have been touched up, specifically the Autopsy images, the pre-burial one of the full face hasn't been modified as far as I can ascertain, the profile image has.

The angles of your comparison images for the bust and pre-burial full face are not properly aligned, the image of his face is that published and held by the SA Police and you should be able to see that it is tilted backwards and the bust tilted forwards. You cannot compare one with the other under those circumstances. It seems to me that you have not read or seen the images from Gerry Feltus's book? You'll find that the images you have referred to as frauds are from there. Page 153 to be precise. (Attached).

PC Moss was a good man but he did make some basic scene of crime errors, the matches being one and there are others. Your statement that Detective Sergeant Leane lied is unfortunate, this was an experienced and capable man, the son of the previous Police Commissioner. Does that make him infallible? No, but it does make him a very careful Police officer who cannot be seen to make mistakes or break the rules. Sadly people do make allegations of this nature when they are completely unfounded and without any evidence. On that point, if you have any evidence to support that view either in this case or another that Detective Sergeant Leane was involved with then you should put it forward.

I would be interested to know what qualifies you to make the statements you have made. Are you an ex or serving Police Officer? Have you ever attended a Post Mortem or Autopsy?

I have entered comments in various places in your post.
Ok so now you're saying the hairs in the plaster come from the back of the head and not the back. That makes sense.

Maybe at cross purposes with hair being slicked down and mortuary soap not being used to make the plaster cast as in the sworn statement by Lawson.

Det sgt Keane went to work for ASIO according to Littlemore in out takes from his ABC documentary and played in the latest podcast. If he was asked to record that matches were found on the body when they weren't to suggest this was a suicide, then he would.

The photo said to be taken just before making the bust is 100% a different person or very poor image alteration. Like I said look at the nose which in the front on position has been shaved flatter, has no kink like the bust and the creases on the neck have disappared. Jaw is completely different.

The body was embalmed and frozen.

Making a 3d representation from scans is not going to be as accurate as looking and walking around at the bust but gives an idea of what he looked like.

My problem is someone taking an image from the 3d video and elongating it to make it fit the picture. It doesn't fit either one.
 

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I am not critising Gary Feltus as he put an enormous amount of effort in finding Jo Thompson and was mindful of people's privacy unlike some.

However I have no doubt SM identity is known to those higher that SA police most of whom were only doing their job. Only answering to Federal AG and the group that became ASIO.

If disinformation was put out with the 0photos it was to keep the idenity secret.

DNA is the only way to cut through all the red herrings and false information that was put out. This should already have been done with new analysis of the hair DNA.

So why not? And what will exhumation bring?

I shudder to think it could be another red herring like the recent Beamont children dig was.
 

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Ok so now you're saying the hairs in the plaster come from the back of the head and not the back. That makes sense.

Maybe at cross purposes with hair being slicked down and mortuary soap not being used to make the plaster cast as in the sworn statement by Lawson.

Det sgt Keane went to work for ASIO according to Littlemore in out takes from his ABC documentary and played in the latest podcast. If he was asked to record that matches were found on the body when they weren't to suggest this was a suicide, then he would.

The photo said to be taken just before making the bust is 100% a different person or very poor image alteration. Like I said look at the nose which in the front on position has been shaved flatter, has no kink like the bust and the creases on the neck have disappared. Jaw is completely different.

The body was embalmed and frozen.

Making a 3d representation from scans is not going to be as accurate as looking and walking around at the bust but gives an idea of what he looked like.

My problem is someone taking an image from the 3d video and elongating it to make it fit the picture. It doesn't fit either one.
1. I took the stills from the 3D video, and you are suggesting that I elongated the image, I didn't and quite frankly I find that offensive and extremely rude.
2. I am saying that the hairs were showing on the back of his shoulders in the first images shown on the Universities facebook page around 10 years ago
3. There are no crossed purposes, Paul Lawson made it quite clear that he used mortuary soap to slick down the hair on the man's head, do you understand that?
4. Paul Lawson also clearly stated that he used the photographs to create the facial features of the man. If you have other evidence then where is it, and where did it come from?
5. Detective Sergeant Leane was recruited by ASIO after his involvement with the SM case, you suggest that because he later became an ASIO officer, along with other ex SA Police officers, he must in some way be corrupt? Your statements call his integrity into doubt, where is your evidence of that?
6. The images are of the body of the man stored under the name of the man found at Somerton. You need to understand that bodies decompose and the effects can totally change the appearance of the face. My comment is that I find it unusual that whilst the face has completely changed, the ears have remained exactly the same. I see no evidence of that photograph being manipulated or 'photoshopped' and I have examined it, you have made that claim and I would like you to show where the superimposition/lighting lines show up. Otherwise, we just have your words and no substance.

It is very wrong to bring people's integrity into doubt, this is still an active case and you are making public comments about people in it. If you want to question the evidence then that's your right but keep to the evidence and don't attack the people, they still have descendants and they may even be looking at your posts.
 

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Was the deceased found on Somerton Beach in Adelaide in December 1948 assassinated?

THere is probably only a very few men in Australia in 1948 who would've had the power authorise a killing and cover up. And only 1 agency that would've had the power to enforce withholding disclosure to the Australian Attorney General.

MI5

And here are pictures of the MI5 man in Australia during that time. He was known as MI5's mole hunter before coming to Australia. He had conducted at least one well known interrogation a few years before.

Are any of the witnesses at Somerton Beach alive today? Can they identify this man being seen in proximity to where the deceased was found? Or where the Rubiayat was found? Or being near the train station, or on the bus the preceding day? Or loitering in Moseley St Glenelg staking out the location of the abode of Jessica Harkness / Thomson?

Picture of Robert Victor Hemblys Scales
Australian Women's Weekly 5/3/1949




Argus 21/2/1949 page 8


I have proof that he was in Adelaide in late October 1948 and had visited Dr Lica Sprod, who incidently i can prove had intimate knowledge of the locations involved in the Somerton case a month later.

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Ok. Just a sec.

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Ok. Done it. Now to watch the pigeons fly.
Hopefully an English tabloid will pick up upon my posts and publicly press upon MI5 the obvious questions resulting from this.
Let's await a response.

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1. I took the stills from the 3D video, and you are suggesting that I elongated the image, I didn't and quite frankly I find that offensive and extremely rude.
2. I am saying that the hairs were showing on the back of his shoulders in the first images shown on the Universities facebook page around 10 years ago
3. There are no crossed purposes, Paul Lawson made it quite clear that he used mortuary soap to slick down the hair on the man's head, do you understand that?
4. Paul Lawson also clearly stated that he used the photographs to create the facial features of the man. If you have other evidence then where is it, and where did it come from?
5. Detective Sergeant Leane was recruited by ASIO after his involvement with the SM case, you suggest that because he later became an ASIO officer, along with other ex SA Police officers, he must in some way be corrupt? Your statements call his integrity into doubt, where is your evidence of that?
6. The images are of the body of the man stored under the name of the man found at Somerton. You need to understand that bodies decompose and the effects can totally change the appearance of the face. My comment is that I find it unusual that whilst the face has completely changed, the ears have remained exactly the same. I see no evidence of that photograph being manipulated or 'photoshopped' and I have examined it, you have made that claim and I would like you to show where the superimposition/lighting lines show up. Otherwise, we just have your words and no substance.

It is very wrong to bring people's integrity into doubt, this is still an active case and you are making public comments about people in it. If you want to question the evidence then that's your right but keep to the evidence and don't attack the people, they still have descendants and they may even be looking at your posts.
Not meaning to be rude and will put comparison images in another post, but the 3D is based on scans it will not be exactly like the bust. The proportions are wrong resulting in the elongation that occurs.

Using your exact image and the bust with the ears exactly the same size, the upper half of the head in particular is 25% longer. A distance from the top of ears to top of head 1.5 cm in the bust to 2.0 cm in the 3D scan. The nose is wrong being more pointed, has no flalr at the nostrils and is not as deep in the side on profile.

Not arguing about mortuary soap on the man's head. The hair on the model Mr Lawson made is exactly how it's described in the various police reports and by Mr Lawson in his affidavit.

Using Paul Lawson's sworn statement to the 1949 Inquest (and repeated by him in the Littlemore interview in 1978) where he clearly described the body not only being embalmed but frozen and the difficulties that made when he was making his mold from this body. There is no suggestion at all in this legal document that he made the man's bust from images.

If he's stated something different since, I'm not surprised as I've said before he's done this a few times for example with Prof Abbott (the man's feet) or with others. Making SM's bust from photographs isn't what he swears in his affidavit and can only be a misunderstanding in either what he means, trying to please whoever the person he's talking to or misdirect.

I am not saying any other SA police officer that worked on the SM case became an ASIO officer except Det SGt Leane. I am saying that he may have got this position because he was privy to some information that ASIO had on the man and he may have some part in trying to keep the man's identity a secret or the cause of death a secret at the time.

From Kate Thompson's interview I believe that Jo Harkness knew the identity and she told Kate that the identity was known to those higher up that the SA police. Working on behalf of ASIO (and it precursor before being formed in March 1949) you would not answer to authority in SA, only to the Federal AG and PM.

I'd read the inquest documents thoroughly and came to the conclusion that Det Sgt Leane added the matches to evidence saying they were found on the body when he examined the clothing after 14th Jan 1949. I believe you're suggesting that PC Moss missed finding the box of matches. I don't believe he could have or did for reasons I previously given. The possible conclusion for having matches is that he lit his own cigarette, was by himself and committed suicide. I don't believe other evidence confirmed suicide either.

The body was embalmed and frozen. In my undergraduate years my colleagues and I spent a year working with corpses donated for science. The same cadaver per person was accessed and worked on every week for a year. I can guarantee an embalmed corpse does not change the way you say caused the changes in the two photos, and if there was questions about the embalming in December 1948 SM's cadaver was also frozen for 6 months guaranteeing no changes.
 

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Bust of SM compared to 3D image of the bust supplied by Gordon. 3D image has not been changed in any way. Both images have the ears 1.5 cm long and 0.9 cm at the widest part.

Distance from the top of ear to the top of head is 1.5 cm in the bust.
Distance from the top of ear to the top of head is 2.0 cm in the 3D scan.

From point of hair line to top of nose = 1.6 cm on bust.
From point of hair line to top of nose = 2.0 cm on 3D image
 

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Not meaning to be rude and will put comparison images in another post, but the 3D is based on scans it will not be exactly like the bust. The proportions are wrong resulting in the elongation that occurs.

Using your exact image and the bust with the ears exactly the same size, the upper half of the head in particular is 25% longer. A distance from the top of ears to top of head 1.5 cm in the bust to 2.0 cm in the 3D scan. The nose is wrong being more pointed, has no flalr at the nostrils and is not as deep in the side on profile.

Not arguing about mortuary soap on the man's head. The hair on the model Mr Lawson made is exactly how it's described in the various police reports and by Mr Lawson in his affidavit.

Using Paul Lawson's sworn statement to the 1949 Inquest (and repeated by him in the Littlemore interview in 1978) where he clearly described the body not only being embalmed but frozen and the difficulties that made when he was making his mold from this body. There is no suggestion at all in this legal document that he made the man's bust from images.

If he's stated something different since, I'm not surprised as I've said before he's done this a few times for example with Prof Abbott (the man's feet) or with others. Making SM's bust from photographs isn't what he swears in his affidavit and can only be a misunderstanding in either what he means, trying to please whoever the person he's talking to or misdirect.

I am not saying any other SA police officer that worked on the SM case became an ASIO officer except Det SGt Leane. I am saying that he may have got this position because he was privy to some information that ASIO had on the man and he may have some part in trying to keep the man's identity a secret or the cause of death a secret at the time.

From Kate Thompson's interview I believe that Jo Harkness knew the identity and she told Kate that the identity was known to those higher up that the SA police. Working on behalf of ASIO (and it precursor before being formed in March 1949) you would not answer to authority in SA, only to the Federal AG and PM.

I'd read the inquest documents thoroughly and came to the conclusion that Det Sgt Leane added the matches to evidence saying they were found on the body when he examined the clothing after 14th Jan 1949. I believe you're suggesting that PC Moss missed finding the box of matches. I don't believe he could have or did for reasons I previously given. The possible conclusion for having matches is that he lit his own cigarette, was by himself and committed suicide. I don't believe other evidence confirmed suicide either.

The body was embalmed and frozen. In my undergraduate years my colleagues and I spent a year working with corpses donated for science. The same cadaver per person was accessed and worked on every week for a year. I can guarantee an embalmed corpse does not change the way you say caused the changes in the two photos, and if there was questions about the embalming in December 1948 SM's cadaver was also frozen for 6 months guaranteeing no changes.
I can guarantee you the opposite in regards to the way a deceased person's body deteriorates. To get a better feel for it, you need to ask questions of the reliability of the refrigeration unit and power supply during the time SM was held at the mortuary. I think you'll find there were regular interruptions and downtime in SA through 48/49. It's not as straightforward as it might appear.

Here's another video clip of the actual laser scan,:

The method used to embalm SM was a new one to the funeral director concerned, he apparently later admitted he didn't get it quite right. I have had my doubts about images and fought to get an acknowledgment that the post mortem pics had been altered, it is now generally agreed that is the case. Lawrence Elliot was the embalmer and he had just returned from an overseas trip studying the new method, SM was apparently his first attempt.

With regards to the photographs, I think the best way to resolve the differences is to measure the side profile images of both the PM and the pre-burial man.

I personally believe that there are differences but not in the bust image. The body from whom the cast was taken was not necessarily the body of the Somerton Man.

With regards to the comparisons, you have made I respectfully suggest that you look at the dimensions of the head and bust overall, Paul Lawson has stated on a number of occasions that he had great difficulty with organising the shaping and placement of the ears. To compare the images based on the ears is therefore not a good idea.

The bust scan and the bust photographs are of the same overall dimensions, what you see is the results of the laser scan which is realistically beneath the surface and then the outer photo of the bust. There is a difficulty with dimensions and images without firm datum points.

For the record my experience with deceased persons comes from having dealt with 20 or more sudden deaths directly and having attended more than 18 PMs, three of these were murder victims. I have made a study of approximately 70 + murders. The real-life investigation is not a textbook version, it is filled with side issues and 'noise'. The power outages in SA whilst the man was in the 'freezer' is a classic example. The exceptions prove the rule.

The comparison image of the pre-burial versus Autopsy image was an interesting exercise, I did this in 2014 trying to chase down what appeared to be significant differences between the two sets of images. The result was as you see it, significant differences. However, the pre-burial image had been manually overhauled for want of better term. If you look closely you can see the way that colours have been 'spread' over the surface. This would have been done well ahead of photoshop days, photographers even in those times were masters of deception it seems. No reflection on Jimm Durham by the way, I am not at all sure that this was his work.

I am not about to further this discussion, I have spent a great deal of time, more than 10 years, reviewing and understanding the nature of the problems and have reached what I think are a useful set of conclusions based on my understanding of the case and my own direct experiences. We all have something to learn and I am not an exception, if I am proven wrong on any point and the evidence is produced then I will, of course, accept that.

Another but not the only other, Police Officer to be recruited by ASIO was Ray Whitrod. That name should ring bells for you.
 

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So much evidence. Yet somethings are missing.

If he ate a pasty, there'd be crumbs all over his clothing. If he bought a pasty, and took it away from a shop, there'd also be crumbs in his pocket.

There are no crumbs. These are not the clothes that he was wearing, when he purchased, transported and ate the pastie.

Pasties are made with flakey pastry dough.
Dough that is made with flour and oil. Pastry crumbs stick to clothing like no tomorrow.

Then there are the contents of a pastie. Diced vegetables and meat. Contents that come apart and often land upon your clothing.

There is no evidence of his consumption of what was found in his stomach.

Because the clothes he were found in are not the clothes that he was wearing when he ate it.


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Not sure where you have the idea that the hairs were from the man's back. With the hairs being straight and the length of them shown in the plaster he would have to be some sort of hairy orangutan for them to come from his back, which he wasn't.

While it doesn't matter where they came from for DNA analysis as long as they get a good sample, this is a very strange statement to make.

He was described to have had fair, gingery fair, mousy ginger and gingery blonde hair on his head in four separate police or Inquest statements. There is no doubt the hair on his head was fair or gingery blonde and this matches the samples left in the plaster.
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The body or hair wan't washed down before Mr Lawson made the bust. He needed a dry body for the plaster and in his affidavit and subsequent interview with Littlemore in 1978, described how keeping the body dry became difficult as it had been frozen and started to thaw as he was completing the process. There is no chance he lied in his affidavit and evidence to the Inquest and somehow made his bust from photos.

Sir Cedric Stanton Hicks was a Professor of Human Physiology and Pharmacology at Adelaide University. He graduated from the University of Otago in Dunedin New Zealand, and after being awarded a Beit medical research fellowship in 1923, he travelled to England and studied at Trinity College, Cambridge. Under the fellowship, he also carried out research in Switzerland, Italy, Germany and the United States of America. He took up a fellowship and lectureship at the University of Adelaide in 1926. In January 1927 he was appointed to a new chair of physiology and pharmacology at the University, a post he held until 1957 (Wiki).

You could not have got a more knowledgeable or experienced person to make a judgement using the statements of various doctors, pharmacologist and chemist who gave evidence, to name the poison used to kill SM. It wasn't barbiturates, and I back him to have found (and coded) the family of poisons and which of those was the most likely.

Have to make a judgement call between P.C Moss and Det Sgt Leane and upon fully reading both and Coroner Cleland's effort to pressure Mr Lyon to change his statement, I believe PC Moss. He has no agenda that Cleland or Leane may have had and emphasises he "makes it his business to make an accurate record of what I found". It's quite easy to smooth sand over when somebody else leaves and SM had no sand on his shoes at all.

Moss would have searched the man's clothes at the scene to try to establish an identity with a wallet and also a more thorough examination of his clothes at the morgue. There were no matches found. Det Sgt Leane wasn't attached to the case until mid January 1949 and brought his matches with him IMO.

I believe they were trying to suggest the unknown man committed suicide as he lit his own cigarette (or Cleland suggesting to Lyon he had an unlit cigarette explaining no matches).

I'n not sure where you got the image of a face in your post that you say was devoid of features before he was buried. This is impossible after both embalming and freezing the body of SM.

This is an image of someone else and doesn't match the bust of look at all like the initial photo that was taken by the police photographer of the man he was told was found at the beach on 1st Dec 1948. Someone has Photoshoped another man's face onto the police photo and separately edited the bust image. Nose is completely different, mouth is different, especially top lip in side on view, forehead different, jaw is different without even having to look too close.

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The so called 3 D image has been elongated to try to get the same nose length and then the chin and forehead are far to long. The nose has been shaved and is too thin and straight. I have done a line analysis matching the ears, but this is a fraud.
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Not until the profile view that I realised that he was born with Pierre Robin Syndrome.
Underdeveloped lowere jaw is a dead giveaway.
How big was the cleft in the roof of his mouth? He might've had severe sleep apnea and snore quite loudly.
He might've had to eat only soft foods or even liquids depending upon the size of the cleft in his upper palate

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Hi.

Is this the right thread to post about the SM code? I found something interesting a few days ago that I think it´s worth checking out. I just don´t know where to start.

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There’s been a lot of talk about the "X" above the last 'O' in the code, and if this "X" is significant to the code or not. If you switch the letters around in the third row, MLIABOX, it spells MAILBOX. This is quite interesting, and it raises some questions.


Can you switch other letters around?

Did he mail something?

Did he make a drop near a mailbox?

In Australia in the 1940´s was it normal to say mailboxes or PO. boxes?

Was he supposed to pick something up?

Is the “X” also a point on a map?



It also looks like the second part, AIAQC stands on its own.


What does “AIA” stand for?


What does “QC” stand for?




PS: If I´m really slow with responding or I´m not replying correctly in English, its because English isn’t my first language.
 

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Hi.

Is this the right thread to post about the SM code? I found something interesting a few days ago that I think it´s worth checking out. I just don´t know where to start.

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There’s been a lot of talk about the "X" above the last 'O' in the code, and if this "X" is significant to the code or not. If you switch the letters around in the third row, MLIABOX, it spells MAILBOX. This is quite interesting, and it raises some questions.


Can you switch other letters around?

Did he mail something?

Did he make a drop near a mailbox?

In Australia in the 1940´s was it normal to say mailboxes or PO. boxes?

Was he supposed to pick something up?

Is the “X” also a point on a map?



It also looks like the second part, AIAQC stands on its own.


What does “AIA” stand for?


What does “QC” stand for?




PS: If I´m really slow with responding or I´m not replying correctly in English, its because English isn’t my first language.

AIA:
  • Acts Interpretation Act (Australia)
  • Army International Activities
  • Army Information Architecture
  • Aeronautical Industry Association
  • Authorized Inspection Agency
  • (1) Army Intelligence Agency; (2) ACE Intelligence Architecture; (3) ACE Interface Architecture; (4) Air Intelligence Agency
  • AIA Group Limited/American Asiatic Underwriters
  • Athens International Airport
  • Anguilla (ISO Country code)
  • Apologies In Advance
  • Appreciated in Advance
  • Annual-in-Advance (payment method)
  • Agudath Israel of America
  • Abbotsford International Airport
  • Alternate Interior Angle (geometry)
  • Aia (/ˈaɪ.ə/; Basque: [ai.a]) is a village situated on the slopes of Mount Pagoeta in the Basque province of Gipuzkoa, Spain.
QC:
  • Queen's Counsel (UK)
  • Quebec City (Quebec, Canada)
  • Quebec Central (railway)
  • Quasi-Cyclic
  • Quiet Channel (RCA two-way radio)
  • Queens College (New York)
  • Quezon City (Metro Manila, Philippines)


Did the Somerton man have a contact in the Queen Counsel?

Or at the The Queen’s College in the University of Oxford?

Anyone here familiar with the Quasi-Cyclic code?


The AIA Group Limited/American Asiatic Underwriters (founded, 19 December, 1919) is an interesting one because of Cornelius Vander Starr (also known as Neil Starr or C. V. Starr).

In 1919 he founded what was then known as American Asiatic Underwriters (later American International Underwriters) in Shanghai, China, a global insurance and investment organization. He had long been aware of the described and looming "Chinese Century". It has been reported that he worked for the Office of Strategic Services during World War II while in China.[6] He was forced to move his operation to New York in 1939, when Japan invaded China.

In 2000, Mark Fritz wrote in the article entitled The Secret (Insurance) Agent Men for the Los Angeles Times: "They knew which factories to burn, which bridges to blow up, which cargo ships could be sunk in good conscience. They had pothole counts for roads used for invasion and head counts for city blocks marked for incineration. They weren't just secret agents. They were secret insurance agents. These undercover underwriters gave their World War II spymasters access to a global industry that both bankrolled and, ultimately, helped bring down Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. Newly declassified U.S. intelligence files tell the remarkable story of the ultra-secret Insurance Intelligence Unit, a component of the Office of Strategic Services, a forerunner of the CIA, and its elite counterintelligence branch X-2.[7].
Link to Wikipedia article.



Do any of you know the normal travel route from India to South Australia in 1948?

And what about Anguilla to South Australia in 1948?
 

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AIA:
  • Acts Interpretation Act (Australia)
  • Army International Activities
  • Army Information Architecture
  • Aeronautical Industry Association
  • Authorized Inspection Agency
  • (1) Army Intelligence Agency; (2) ACE Intelligence Architecture; (3) ACE Interface Architecture; (4) Air Intelligence Agency
  • AIA Group Limited/American Asiatic Underwriters
  • Athens International Airport
  • Anguilla (ISO Country code)
  • Apologies In Advance
  • Appreciated in Advance
  • Annual-in-Advance (payment method)
  • Agudath Israel of America
  • Abbotsford International Airport
  • Alternate Interior Angle (geometry)
  • Aia (/ˈaɪ.ə/; Basque: [ai.a]) is a village situated on the slopes of Mount Pagoeta in the Basque province of Gipuzkoa, Spain.
QC:
  • Queen's Counsel (UK)
  • Quebec City (Quebec, Canada)
  • Quebec Central (railway)
  • Quasi-Cyclic
  • Quiet Channel (RCA two-way radio)
  • Queens College (New York)
  • Quezon City (Metro Manila, Philippines)


Did the Somerton man have a contact in the Queen Counsel?

Or at the The Queen’s College in the University of Oxford?

Anyone here familiar with the Quasi-Cyclic code?


The AIA Group Limited/American Asiatic Underwriters (founded, 19 December, 1919) is an interesting one because of Cornelius Vander Starr (also known as Neil Starr or C. V. Starr).



Link to Wikipedia article.



Do any of you know the normal travel route from India to South Australia in 1948?

And what about Anguilla to South Australia in 1948?
Welcome.

Air routes were via Colombo to Perth, during the war, after the war Thailand and Singapore became available as stopovers meaning they could fly to Sydney instead of Perth.
then Adelaide.
Shipping routes either directly to Fremantle or via Singapore first. Most cargo was then transported by train over to eastern cities (still is). Refuge and migrant ships mostly the same off loaded everyone at Fremantle.


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I've had a go at the top half, but I don't think it's much good. I'm not sure if it's even in english, but I think that it's not a code, but a bunch of acronyms or short hand, and just went from there. Maybe it'll help someone else to discern what these doodles are about


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The second half might be easier to fathom.
Here's a rough go of how I read the bottom half.


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Just about everything that I could come up with has been done already I note

It could just as easily be a doodle.
First letters of each town his train stopped at or passed through, or acronyms eg: in my work ML = Military Leave
ABO could be Authorised by Office or O could be a name, or it could be an acronym for a place.
Goa intrigues me. Goa is a former Portuguese colony in India. Goa would've been a good spot to spy upon British interests during the war. A Portuguese speaker would go unnoticed. Brazil and Mozambique are also Portuguese speaking. Argentina is Spanish but Spanish and Portuguese is similar. It would be possible for an Argentinian to be fluent in Portuguese. There were a lot of Nazi sympathisers in Argentina. Hemblys-Scales and his wife had Argentinean and Brazilian connections. Indeed Hemblys-Scales retired to Brazil and then moved to Argentina. Maybe the code isn't in English?
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Hi.

Is this the right thread to post about the SM code? I found something interesting a few days ago that I think it´s worth checking out. I just don´t know where to start.

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There’s been a lot of talk about the "X" above the last 'O' in the code, and if this "X" is significant to the code or not. If you switch the letters around in the third row, MLIABOX, it spells MAILBOX. This is quite interesting, and it raises some questions.


Can you switch other letters around?

Did he mail something?

Did he make a drop near a mailbox?

In Australia in the 1940´s was it normal to say mailboxes or PO. boxes?

Was he supposed to pick something up?

Is the “X” also a point on a map?



It also looks like the second part, AIAQC stands on its own.


What does “AIA” stand for?


What does “QC” stand for?




PS: If I´m really slow with responding or I´m not replying correctly in English, its because English isn’t my first language.
Much along similar lines. I'd agree that it's either non English acronyms or just stuff to hide micro writing.

One has to remember the provenance of the writing being from depression marks left by writing on another sheet using the book page as a table to rest the other sheet upon, so to speak. Other depression marks appear to of been found as well t that weren't as apparent when the depression marks on the page were highlighted with graphite dust or pencil dust.

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Hi.

Is this the right thread to post about the SM code? I found something interesting a few days ago that I think it´s worth checking out. I just don´t know where to start.

View attachment 771150

There’s been a lot of talk about the "X" above the last 'O' in the code, and if this "X" is significant to the code or not. If you switch the letters around in the third row, MLIABOX, it spells MAILBOX. This is quite interesting, and it raises some questions.


Can you switch other letters around?

Did he mail something?

Did he make a drop near a mailbox?

In Australia in the 1940´s was it normal to say mailboxes or PO. boxes?

Was he supposed to pick something up?

Is the “X” also a point on a map?



It also looks like the second part, AIAQC stands on its own.


What does “AIA” stand for?


What does “QC” stand for?




PS: If I´m really slow with responding or I´m not replying correctly in English, its because English isn’t my first language.
I remember a Soviet spy who left chalk marks on a mailbox in DC to signal that he had made a dead drop. I think it was Aldrich Ames.
 

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So much evidence. Yet somethings are missing.

If he ate a pasty, there'd be crumbs all over his clothing. If he bought a pasty, and took it away from a shop, there'd also be crumbs in his pocket.

There are no crumbs. These are not the clothes that he was wearing, when he purchased, transported and ate the pastie.

Pasties are made with flakey pastry dough.
Dough that is made with flour and oil. Pastry crumbs stick to clothing like no tomorrow.

Then there are the contents of a pastie. Diced vegetables and meat. Contents that come apart and often land upon your clothing.

There is no evidence of his consumption of what was found in his stomach.

Because the clothes he were found in are not the clothes that he was wearing when he ate it.


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Meat takes longer to digest so it should have been there so maybe it wasn't a pasty? What other kinds of food would contain mostly potato and other ingredients that wou be quickly digested?
 

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Bust of SM compared to 3D image of the bust supplied by Gordon. 3D image has not been changed in any way. Both images have the ears 1.5 cm long and 0.9 cm at the widest part.

Distance from the top of ear to the top of head is 1.5 cm in the bust.
Distance from the top of ear to the top of head is 2.0 cm in the 3D scan.

From point of hair line to top of nose = 1.6 cm on bust.
From point of hair line to top of nose = 2.0 cm on 3D image
In the image you show, the heads are at different angles, so the 3D grab is more upright and the headshot of the bust is leaning forward a little. The other more noticeable issue is the size of the ear. The 3D ear is significantly smaller than the bust ear. I think that accounts for the variation in measurements. What you can see is the effect of the 'building' that Paul Lawson did making use of the photographs as his guide. In fairness, the optical illusion caused by light and shade delineation is part of the issue at hand. If you were to turn both images to the same colour set and then adjust the lighting you would see the problem. If I get time today I will take a look and produce that image.
 

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Meat takes longer to digest so it should have been there so maybe it wasn't a pasty? What other kinds of food would contain mostly potato and other ingredients that wou be quickly digested?
A soup. Or a stew, where the meat was well cooked, but the veges still half raw.

Which suggests that he might have had a sit down meal at a table.


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A soup. Or a stew, where the meat was well cooked, but the veges still half raw.

Which suggests that he might have had a sit down meal at a table.


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There would be a lengthy list no doubt but Potato soup might be a bit warm for the weather at the time, potato salad maybe?
 

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There would be a lengthy list no doubt but Potato soup might be a bit warm for the weather at the time, potato salad maybe?
Most of the possibilities probably go against it being a take away meal, uless it was a pastie or fish n chips. So either he changed or he had sit down meal with a napkin to fit what's in evidence. Unless crumbs are like the matches

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I would agree that he most likely sat down for some food, the fact that his mouth wasn't checked is a bit concerning. Normally it's amongst the first things you would do. The man's teeth were not the best for eating anything other than soft foods like potatoes and some vegetables, maybe salmon. Any food that contains soluble fibre is more easily digested and doesn't need to be chewed.
 

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Wasn't there talk of a party / gathering on the beach that night, thus possibility a fire's been built. Adding baked potatoes was pretty standard for then and still is.
No soot on clothing? Charchoal dust on hands?

Scratches on back of hands though.
Did he try and take something?
And someone went to grab it back?
A child?

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Not until the profile view that I realised that he was born with Pierre Robin Syndrome.
Underdeveloped lowere jaw is a dead giveaway.
How big was the cleft in the roof of his mouth? He might've had severe sleep apnea and snore quite loudly.
He might've had to eat only soft foods or even liquids depending upon the size of the cleft in his upper palate
I don't think he had Pierre Robin Syndrome otherwise the Professor of Physiology and Pharmacology would have mentioned it at the inquest. It's just a poor reproduction of the bust in the image. Not repeated in the bust photos.
 

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