tambling

[Kyusss]

What would be the point? You have stated openly that you'd find it a laugh.
Ill name a few though:
Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta, Hislop

ooooohhahahah

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Not too sure about that. Franklin may turn out to be a legend of the AFL...blah blah blah

Totally failed to address the actual subject of my response to carmi ie that he completely misquoted Bling's statistics in the first place. I dont want to get in a discussion with you about which is the bigger stuff up. Time will tell. What I do know now is that you dont do your research before you rip into someone and as a result you make yourself look like an ass.

You = 0 credibility.

p.s Franklin '07 (3rd year) vs Richo '96 (3rd full year due to reco in '95)

22 games, 293 disposals, 123 marks, 73goals 63behinds vs 22 games, 331 disposals, 177 marks, 91goals, 49 behinds.

Richo wins by a fair bit despite a knee reco the previous year. And yet richo went on to be near despised by his own supporters come 2001, only to regain respect by '06 for his increased effort. Still, few non-tigers supporters would call him a legend, and in the '93-'07 period most would classify him as probably the 10th-20th best key forward.

Franklin's 1 good year means nothing to me yet.

 

[Bazzar]

Dont forget overhead Richo is as good as they get and Buddy is as good over head as i am

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Dont forget overhead Richo is as good as they get and Buddy is as good over head as i am

Exactly. The point is, no matter how talented a key forward is several things can stop him reaching "superstardom": a lack of onfield discipline, the kicking yips or a shocking midfield. All of these hit richo, and i'm betting that Franklin's downfall will be his offield attitude and kicking yips. Also his marking as you said.

 

[bomba4eva]

Totally failed to address the actual subject of my response to carmi ie that he completely misquoted Bling's statistics in the first place. I dont want to get in a discussion with you about which is the bigger stuff up. Time will tell. What I do know now is that you dont do your research before you rip into someone and as a result you make yourself look like an ass.

You = 0 credibility.

p.s Franklin '07 (3rd year) vs Richo '96 (3rd full year due to reco in '95)

22 games, 293 disposals, 123 marks, 73goals 63behinds vs 22 games, 331 disposals, 177 marks, 91goals, 49 behinds.

Richo wins by a fair bit despite a knee reco the previous year. And yet richo went on to be near despised by his own supporters come 2001, only to regain respect by '06 for his increased effort. Still, few non-tigers supporters would call him a legend, and in the '93-'07 period most would classify him as probably the 10th-20th best key forward.

Franklin's 1 good year means nothing to me yet.

Was clearly referring to the second part of your post. Dont give a crap about your statistics. That was an argument with someone else. Im not interested in that point of yours. Why highlight the failure of your own player? He has been a more than serviceable player for the Tigers too. Doesnt matter what you think about Franklins one good year. At this stage Tambling has been widely bagged due to the fact of Franklins one good year. If it wasnt for his great year then Tambling wouldnt be receiving half the crap he does. He could turn into a dominating CHF for years to come whilst Tambling could become another high pick thats gets delisted. It may well turn into a bigger stuff up than the Fiora/Pavlich one.

 

[Bazzar]

Maybe at the end of Franklins footy days he will be remembered like Richo as a flawed genius, one cant kick and one cant mark.

Richo pre knee reco was twice the athlete Buddy is, and im not putting Buddy down as he is a freak.

 

[bomba4eva]

Maybe at the end of Franklins footy days he will be remembered like Richo as a flawed genius, one cant kick and one cant mark.

Richo pre knee reco was twice the athlete Buddy is, and im not putting Buddy down as he is a freak.

Why do you think the knee reco to Richo set him back so much. Most players can recover and with it so early in his career it is disappointing to see him not live up to his potential.

 

[Bazzar]

Like most here im no expert, but Richo kicked 27.4 up until he did it in the first 5 min againsed the Swans at the SCG (round 6 i think) He has never kicked as good since. Coincadence ? not sure, but strange.

 

[bomba4eva]

Like most here im no expert, but Richo kicked 27.4 up until he did it in the first 5 min againsed the Swans at the SCG (round 6 i think) He has never kicked as good since. Coincadence ? not sure, but strange.

Would of expected kicking to be something that can be improved. Something like pace is different but kicking shouldnt be as hard. Either way he was a real promising talent that never fulfilled his potential. Sad to see players do this for there many reasons. Damien Cupido is the one that sticks in my mind in recent times. Talent to burn, but just too lazy.

 

[Bazzar]

Talent to burn, but just too lazy.

Would be a great thread to start. So many with talent but just didnt have the passion and energy to go on with it. Tonights "Melbourne Story" was the greatest example of passion to be the very best. Inspirational.

 

[bomba4eva]

Would be a great thread to start. So many with talent but just didnt have the passion and energy to go on with it. Tonights "Melbourne Story" was the greatest example of passion to be the very best. Inspirational.

Sorry? Whatever it was I missed it

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Was clearly referring to the second part of your post. Dont give a crap about your statistics. That was an argument with someone else. Im not interested in that point of yours. Why highlight the failure of your own player? He has been a more than serviceable player for the Tigers too. Doesnt matter what you think about Franklins one good year. At this stage Tambling has been widely bagged due to the fact of Franklins one good year. If it wasnt for his great year then Tambling wouldnt be receiving half the crap he does. He could turn into a dominating CHF for years to come whilst Tambling could become another high pick thats gets delisted. It may well turn into a bigger stuff up than the Fiora/Pavlich one.

To be honest when i first read your response and noticed that your team was essendon i thought you were carmi. Your writing style was very similar and your tambling bagging was fairly parallel.

Anyway to address your point, Franklin has had 1 good year. The previous year he began in the reserves where he had his ass handed to him by dean polo and others. At that point, the Tambling vs Franklin argument was near even. His rise this year corresponded with the rise of hawthorn's midfield. Tamblings stagnation corresponded with our whole team going backwards.

To quote you "Franklin may turn out to be a legend of the AFL if his current performances and expected improvement turns out to be true" well if thats the case surely foley's rise from rookie list, to fringe player, to top 50 players in the afl indicates that hes going to be the next chris judd. But even as an optimistic supporter i can concede that foley is no judd, he lacks 10 cm and 15kg. I mean seriously man. All these "may wells"... Franklin, to be "a legend of the afl" with other recent key forwards like ablett, dunstall, lockett, kernahan and carey would need to gain some muscle, gain some kicking composure, and learn how to take a contested mark. Pavlich has the runs on the board, 4AA's, 3 B&F's, 2 leading goalkickers etc. Fiora would have been delisted if we hadn't have lucked out with a trade. Soft as butter, slower than he should have been. Even if Franklin becomes the next Gary Ablett, Tambling would have to be a major disappointment to make this pick worse.

 

[jeff99_Au]

i really don't care if he is a star next year or not he will play at least 15 games hopefuly 22 but if he stars or not he will be good fast team player he has the skills an motor to be a very good player in our side. he is still very young an light his body still isn't big enough for a full time midfield role.

he will play his part at tiger land
he showed he can get the job done that all i need from him at this stage.
he will take over krak spot for sure as a part time forward part time midfield.

 

[Cat for Life]

I actually think he'll be fine, some players just take more time to develop than others. An example from Geelong would be Mackie, before his break our year this season everyone was saying he was a complete spud.

 

[Heisenberg_]

spot on, he will never make it..

The irony coming from a Carlton fan with the user name WALKER.

Absolute dud of the highest order

 

[lids_tiger_army]

Was clearly referring to the second part of your post. Dont give a crap about your statistics. That was an argument with someone else. Im not interested in that point of yours. Why highlight the failure of your own player? He has been a more than serviceable player for the Tigers too. Doesnt matter what you think about Franklins one good year. At this stage Tambling has been widely bagged due to the fact of Franklins one good year. If it wasnt for his great year then Tambling wouldnt be receiving half the crap he does. He could turn into a dominating CHF for years to come whilst Tambling could become another high pick thats gets delisted. It may well turn into a bigger stuff up than the Fiora/Pavlich one.

you must only watch essendon games mate.. tambling will be a good player, how good no one knows.. as for franklin he is a superstar AT THE MOMENT.. but the future may have different plans, no one knows..
this arguement could go on forever but i beleive most of the tambling baggers just do it to annoy the tiger supporters and if they all knew as much about footy as they all say they do they will seen tambling has alot of talent that will make him a good player for many years to come..

 

[davemills]

Just out of curiousity (no I am not trolling), but lets take Franklin and any other player from that draft out of the equation for a moment. Now I want to ask Tiger supporters, and you see him more than any other supporters, do you have any long term concerns for his future? Or do you think its a forgone conclusion he will be in the games elite without a question of doubt?

Secondly on what grounds do you base your opinion on? And for any opposition supporters just saying "he is crap" isnt a substantial argument nor is any Tigers supporters saying "I have seen glimpses." That reasoning is a load of shyte. And please no statistics. They can lie at the best of times.

Fair quiestion :
1) do you have any long term concerns for his future?

With respect to being an elite player, yes. There is no gaurantees he will turn into a consistent player who does the hard 1%ers. If he does that he has a very good chance of being in the elite category. The odds appear to be in his favour. He has a lot of tools to work with and works hard on the training track from what I have seen.

I think it' highly likely he will be a 200 game player, elite or not. That says something.

Could he do a Jimmy Bartell? Definatley? Will he? Maybe.

2) Secondly on what grounds do you base your opinion on?
I saw him play about 20 games this year and have watched the replays at least once....often many times.....and I don't get into the comparison with Buddy or others. That's just silly as we can't change history. Like it or not he is an RFC player, and I will judge him on his output alone.

 

[hagansbull]

The irony coming from a Carlton fan with the user name WALKER.

Absolute dud of the highest order

Pretty much , and like him too lazy to finish this sentanacence..

 

[bomba4eva]

Totally failed to address the actual subject of my response to carmi ie that he completely misquoted Bling's statistics in the first place. I dont want to get in a discussion with you about which is the bigger stuff up.

Judging by that sentence you did know I wasnt Carmi. Anyway no big deal. You say Franklin went forward with an improved midfield whilst Tambling stagnated with the whole team going backwards, yet Foley improved out of sight and became I believe an elite midfielder in the competition. Why is this? Sure he may be a late developer, but he hasnt showed much to suggest he can become an elite midfielder of the competition.

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Judging by that sentence you did know I wasnt Carmi. Anyway no big deal. You say Franklin went forward with an improved midfield whilst Tambling stagnated with the whole team going backwards, yet Foley improved out of sight and became I believe an elite midfielder in the competition. Why is this? Sure he may be a late developer, but he hasnt showed much to suggest he can become an elite midfielder of the competition.

I actually edited my entire post after i first addressed it entirely to carmi.

Ask the mods if you like.

Foley improved out of sight because his style of game is in and under. Therefore his game is reliant on himself alone. Tambling, however, has the type of body and game at this stage that is suited only to a position up forward or as an outside midfielder. He is reliant on people like foley getting the ball to him. However, 1 foley does not a team make, and the lack of a coughlan, an unfit and aging johnson, aswell as tuck's abysmal disposal, meant that the only person dishing it out to tambling would have been foley. And 9/10 he was dishing it to someone else.

 

[Furn]

Just getting backing to the subject. Earlier in the thread Richmond people were stating that all you see from young players is glimpses and this is true in way. But If you look at players like Jordan Lewis and Grant Birchall you dont see glimpse,you see consistent week in week out performance.

Now back to Tambling, I think he'll get better obviously, but he'll always be a glimpses player. I dont think he's the type to be consistent every week, but what he will do is show this occasional brilliance more often and to more extent.

So he'll always have game like he did against the Hawks this year with 3 touches but those games will be 7 touches and we'll see games like the 1st qtr against west coast but those games will be 7-8 goal games.

But the idea that because he was pick 4 he'll be a consistent superstar is a bit unrealistic. He'll definately be a player but I think he'll always be a hit and miss type his whole career.

 

[lids2004roar]

Now back to Tambling, I think he'll get better obviously, but he'll always be a glimpses player.

If that is your opinion then fair enough, but you don't tell us reasons of what made you believe this.

I could say Ellis will only be a glimpses player, but I couldn't tell you why I think that. You may be just another Hawk supporter who I stirring the pot, but if not maybe we could talk about it more.

Personally I think the glimpses will become consistent when the body allows it. ATM his body is his the biggest hindrance to consistency, and the Buddy thing is playing in his head a bit but he showed some consistency late 2007 so he should be over it pretty quickly.

 

[eyeofthetiger]

he'll be a player at another club. i hope not but.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Usually the "glimpses players" ala Krakouer are the lazy ones content with their current game and never pushing themselves to be anything more. Tambling doesn't fit that mould at all, he's one of our hardest trainers. IMO he's inconsistant atm because his body size isn't complimentary to his natural game now that he's surrounded by AFL sized players. He's definately getting their though which is very positive.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I dont know if you have been informed or not but we were told when Tambling was recruited that he will show his true potential when he is 22-24, we were also told that anything he does before that is a bonus. We were told this just after he was recruited. Tambling was very light when he was recruited and has bulked up really well and will be much bigger next year. I know he will be a star like i said bookmark it and he will be the most improved player next year.
Look at Shaun Burgoyne i remember he was touted a dud aswell at one stage and also was said he will never be a star and look at him now....
All it takes is a few years of development and he will be right up there and will justify his number 4 pick.

I think a better benchmark would be Leon Davis at Collingwood, who was appalling in his first couple of seasons, but developed into one of the most dangerous midsize half forwards during late 2002 and throughout 2003. And continues to be one of the first picked at the Pies, even having some occasional impact in the midfield.

Im sure most of you have realised it by now but Tambling simply isnt up to it.

And yet his numbers compare quite favourably to the likes of Monfries, Slattery, Dempsey etc in the most recent season. Have you conceded that your aforementioned lads are also "simply not up to it"?

Elite footballer? Will never be one and is nothing more than an average player who has been ridiculed due to the ridiculously high pick given for him. Looks more than likely to be another failed top 10 pick in the AFL. Kepler Bradley and Mark Bolton have blessed Essendon with this tradition of picking dud players in the top 10 and Tambling is simply following the trend. Would not have as much pressure if he hadnt gone so damn high. Should improve next season but cannot see him turning into the player so Tiger fans think he still can be. Sorry, but its another failed recruit by the Tigers.

Whatever pick that Tambling or anyone else was selected at in the National Draft is totally irrelevant once the draft itself is concluded. A player's worth is no longer related to where they ranked as a 17- or 18-year old in comparison to others. A 1st Round selection who gathers 20 possessions per game is no more or less valuable than a player taken at Pick 50 who contributes similar output.

If Richmond had selected Tambling at Pick 72 they'd be thinking that they had scored themselves an absolute doozy.

Just out of curiousity (no I am not trolling), but lets take Franklin and any other player from that draft out of the equation for a moment. Now I want to ask Tiger supporters, and you see him more than any other supporters, do you have any long term concerns for his future? Or do you think its a forgone conclusion he will be in the games elite without a question of doubt?

Secondly on what grounds do you base your opinion on? And for any opposition supporters just saying "he is crap" isnt a substantial argument nor is any Tigers supporters saying "I have seen glimpses." That reasoning is a load of shyte. And please no statistics. They can lie at the best of times.

Certainly not a foregone conclusion, any more than the son of a past champion will automatically become an elite (see: David Bourke). What fills me with confidence about Tambling's future is seeing his improvement throughout 2007.

He went from a nothing year in 2005, crippled with recurring hamstring injuries, to a bloke desperately trying to get a guage of and assimilate into the pace of senior football in what was effectively his debut season last year, to a bloke capable of regularly getting 15+ possessions and 5+ marks per game in 2007. The best part, though, was that he was able to put together 20 senior games this season.

He still looks like he hasn't quite found the "handle" of the ball just yet, but his work ethic is great, he seems to have picked up the pace of the game (even if he isn't quite setting the pace himself as yet), his tackling is sound, and it looks like he's prepared to do the hard stuff on and off the field. With that sort of approach, the game will eventually open up for him, like it has for Andrew Walker, Brendan Goddard, Kayne Pettifer and several other high-placed draft picks who struggled in their first few seasons.