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Roonaldo!

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Malcom Glazer.

Well, the owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers has taken over , my 2nd love from North Melbourne, Manchester United.
I've been talking to fellow united fans and well opinon is divided about the intentions Glazer has with United.

I thought you guys would be able to give me a background of what this man is like and what he has done at Tampa.

Cheers.
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

he turned a very poor on-field franchise into a superbowl champion.

he has been nothing but good for the Bucs organisation. he brought in a decent coach, bought players, and convinced the city of Tampa Bay to build a new stadium.

it appears the fear of many United fans is that of not knowing what to expect.
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

mcgarnacle said:
he turned a very poor on-field franchise into a superbowl champion.

he has been nothing but good for the Bucs organisation. he brought in a decent coach, bought players, and convinced the city of Tampa Bay to build a new stadium.

it appears the fear of many United fans is that of not knowing what to expect.
How about the fear (and likely realisation) of dumping 500 million pounds of debt onto a club that is currently in the black?
 

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Sexiano Ronaldo said:
How about the fear (and likely realisation) of dumping 500 million pounds of debt onto a club that is currently in the black?
I have also read Glazer raised prices around Tampa, DRASTICALLY, this could mean working class Mancs (Basically all of them in the Stretty) can't acess games.
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

haven't you guys discussed this ad nauseum on the soccer site? i'm not kneeling at the feet of Glazer i've merely answered the question and filled you in (very briefly mind you) on his success with the Bucs - a team which rarely made the play-offs in their 30-odd year history - by transforming them into NFL champions.

I don't know how raising prices in Tampa will affect Man Utd....logically, a new stadium (such as the one in Tampa) will incur higher ticket prices. anyone in business knows that the ideal way to finance growth is to leverage assets (stadium) with debt. the New York Jets will be in the same position with their new Westside Stadium in Manhattan, and the New York Giants will be raising prices to build the new Meadowlands complex. It is pretty hard to pass off the added cost of a new and improved product at the same prices. this sort of think, (ploughing the football club through debt) happens in the NFL all the time.

interestingly though, i wonder what the reaction is in Tampa, if they have any concerns regarding a possible sell-off of the organisation?
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

The Slitherin' Snake said:
Is money really an issue for Man U?
Yes, as Glazer, who borrowed tons of cash to buy the club, will of course put all the debt onto the club so the fans must pay.


I hope he is truthful by saying he wants to help us.
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

mcgarnacle said:
this sort of think, (ploughing the football club through debt) happens in the NFL all the time.
But not in Soccer.

In our football, clubs in debt underperform, because no slary cap or restrctions exist.

Clubs like Leeds, Roma and Rangers struggle because of this.
 

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Re: Malcom Glazer.

When Malcolm Glazer bought the Bucs they had been the laughing stock of professional US sports for over 20 years. They were a joke in their awful orange uniforms, and played their home games in a pathetic stadium (The Big Sombrero).

Glazer turned this franchise into a Superbowl champion and helped build the team a fantastic fan-friendly stadium.

The tickets in the old stadium ranged from $US22 to $US44 in 1995.
Now they go for $US35 to $US71.
 

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Re: Malcolm Glazer.

Can't understand why Man U ? Why not Man City ? Could Man U be tranformed any bigger ? The Man U dominance is over the top as it is. The ruin of the world game is starting to roll ugly with this greed and power trip.

Tampa isn't the same anymore >>> hope Man U spiral outta control for the sake of the competition and the world game.
 

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Re: Malcolm Glazer.

Woodson said:
Can't understand why Man U ? Why not Man City ? Could Man U be tranformed any bigger ? The Man U dominance is over the top as it is. The ruin of the world game is starting to roll ugly with this greed and power trip.

Tampa isn't the same anymore >>> hope Man U spiral outta control for the sake of the competition and the world game.
What are you talking about?

Manchester ********ty is not a place to create profit.

United is. Why do you think we are a target? We are a marketing giant, a financial giant, perfect for an investor to make cash out of.

And why should we die/ Have a look at Roman's toy, Chelsea and Perez's Real Madrid.
 

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Sexiano Ronaldo said:
Can't get more ignorant than this. Nice one.
Ignorant ?? Telling me the Buccs are a BIG market team are you ? ;)
The point I'm making is that Glazer invested much into a club that had NOTHING !! no history expect for countless losing seasons on end longer than you've been alive, SR, and turned it all around for Tampa Bay in very short time. To be SB Champs. It wasn't the San Francisco 49ers' you know. So, with Man Utd, being the BIGGEST TEAM in the UK let alone the planet and successful as they have been for so F***** long, what is the point ??? I can see the TB Buccs being in much the same situation as many other Premiership teams that haven't tasted success for a very long time that probably could do the EPL a huge favour with a changing of the guard in the 'predictable and boring' EPL. Chelski are already too predictable and with 'greedy' players willing to make a fast buck to success puts me off the EPL/soccer in general. btw Rapt the Gunners won the FA Cup in the lamest way possible = penalties :p how soft and weak was Scholes shot at goal ??
 
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Re: Malcom Glazer.

With a bit of luck,he'll try and build that propsed casino and the NFL will be rid of the bloke.
I'm sure somewhere that you can't own a NFL team and have any sort of interests in gambling organisations like that.
 

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balmainforever said:
With a bit of luck,he'll try and build that propsed casino and the NFL will be rid of the bloke.
I'm sure somewhere that you can't own a NFL team and have any sort of interests in gambling organisations like that.
im pretty sure thats true. you can't have any interest in any gambling organisation and be associated with anything. there was an issue with jerome bettis about the same time last year
 

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Bucs New Signings?!

A bucs supporter here, updating you.. and at the same time, trying to make sense of it all.
Bucs have JUST signed Garcia and Plummer to there roster.. YES, you heard me right, Garcia and Plummer.

:eek:

Ummm.. im actually speechless? What exactly are they doing?
What will happened to Simms? This has thrown me, i have no idea what is going on. Someone please tell me..
 

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Ahhh sorry, still new here. Just good to see some more aussies into this great game! Will go to that thread now!
 

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QB "controversy" in Tampa?

Griese gets starting nod over injured Garcia

TAMPA, Fla. -- An ankle sprain put Jeff Garcia's name on the injury report. A shaky performance in Tampa Bay's season opener cost the four-time Pro Bowl quarterback his starting job this week against Atlanta.

Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden said Wednesday that Brian Griese will start against the Falcons on Sunday.

And it's not just because of the injury Garcia suffered during the fourth quarter of a 24-20 loss to New Orleans.


The 38-year-old Garcia was not sharp against the Saints after missing most of training camp and the preseason with a strained right calf. His preparation for the Saints also was affected by a jammed pinkie finger on his throwing hand.

"Jeff right now is not himself," Gruden said. "We're going to give him a week off and try to get him ready to go. Brian Griese is a guy who's had a good training camp. We're going to give Brian the ball and rally around him. Hopefully Jeff can get back ready to roll soon."

Garcia signed with Tampa Bay before last season and helped the Bucs go 9-7 and win the NFC South for the second time in three years. The Bucs lost in the first round of the playoffs, and little has gone right for him since.

During the offseason, the quarterback expressed unhappiness over the lack of progress on a contract extension. Then Gruden angered him by pursuing a trade for Brett Favre during the opening week of training camp.

He injured his calf early in camp and sat out three of four preseason games.

"It's been a very interesting last few months, obviously. He had the injury that occurred late last season, he had a prolonged calf injury," Gruden said, referring to a back injury that slowed Garcia the latter part of 2007.

"I just think right now, we've studied everything he's done. I really believe in this guy as a quarterback. Right now, he's not the same guy that he was, and I want him to be that. That's all I'm going to say until I see the ball thrown with crisp, accurate velocity, a confident swagger. We're going to let him sit out a week and hopefully he can get back soon."

Garcia was not available for comment.

It remains unclear when the quarterback was hurt against New Orleans, and the Bucs have not specified which ankle was sprained. Garcia remained in the game until the final minute, throwing an interception that stopped a potential winning drive on fourth down from the Saints' 24.

In Griese, Gruden is turning to another veteran who has had success in his offense. The 11th-year pro helped the Bucs to a 5-1 start in 2005 before suffering a season-ending knee injury.

He signed with Chicago as free agent the following offseason and spent two years with the Bears, who traded him to Tampa Bay in March.

"Brian did a lot here if you consider all the elements. He did not have this offensive line when he played here. He did not have some of the offensive weapons that we possess now," Gruden said. "From a statistical and functional standpoint he did some great things here. He won a lot of games for us. He's a guy that will lead us this Sunday, and we have to rally around him."

Griese, 33, is excited about the opportunity. He started 16 of 17 games he appeared in with Tampa Bay in 2004 and 2005, throwing for 3,768 yards, 27 touchdowns and 19 interceptions before he was injured.

"When I left here in 2005 I really had unfinished business, the way I look at it. It really hurt when I was injured and didn't have a chance to come back," Griese said.

"I knew we had a good team and that stung. Ever since that point I wanted the opportunity to come back and finish that business. That's how I'm going to approach this, as a continuation of what I got started, and hopefully go out and play the best that I can play."

Gruden broke the news to him Tuesday, and Griese said he also spoke with Garcia.

"We had a frank conversation, and obviously he's disappointed. And I can understand," Griese said. "I can relate with Jeff. I've been in that position."

Bucs linebacker Derrick Brooks, who started 193 consecutive games, remains questionable against the Falcons. He strained his right hamstring against New Orleans and did not practice Wednesday.

He was upbeat before practice, smiling and answering questions about everything except his status for Sunday.

"Unfortunately for me, I'm under strict orders. ... I was told by my head coach not to really go into details about my situation and my injury," he said. "We'll know on game day whether I'll be ready or not."
Gruden's sounding and acting like a coach that's lost confidence in his QB.

FWIW, Brooks sounds very much like a bloke that won't play this week.


All of a sudden those odds on the Falcons are looking pretty good.
 

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Re: QB "controversy" in Tampa?

I actually feel sorry for Garcia.

He took the team to a division title and playoffs last season and had to put up with the Brett Favre talk in the offseason and now this?

Gruden is just too much of an ego-maniac IMO. What is it with him and QB's never working out? Every QB on the roster will probably get a start before the season is out.
 

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Re: QB "controversy" in Tampa?

****ing Garcia.

Gruden is doing the right thing. Garcia signed a contract at the start of last year and now wants more money. Bad luck. He is 38 years of age and hasn't been able to consistently perform at a Pro Bowl level.

We should have moved heaven and earth to get Brett Favre. The only difference between our offer and the Jets was that they will give GB a third rounder if they make the playoffs where we were only going to give them a fourth rounder. That is a disgrace.

As far as Im concerned Garcia can piss off. If he wants to sulk and "not be himself" he can do that elsewhere but to do it in the company of legends such as Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber, two guys that have given their heart and souls to the franchise, is totally unacceptable.

I just cant wait for the Josh Johnson era to begin in 2010! Bring it on. :) At least then opposition teams may see us as a viable threat on offence. At the moment we can't stretch the field and have to rely on our up the gut running game to keep us in the game. Last week we averaged 8 ypc yet only ran the ball 18 times. If we were a threat in the passing game our running game would be even better.
 

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