Tarrant's 'treatment' by the umpires.

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In future I suggest our trainers not take a drink out to Taz, a rape kit would be more appropriate. When defenders see what they can get away with they become even more extreme. Did anyone see Burnsie chase the umpire after another Tarrant mauling? I've had a gutful :mad: , Taz gets nothing and that poison dwarf Matera gets a soft one at a crucial time. Time to have an Essendon type whinge through the media and I don't care how much it costs. Pull your head out of your ar$e Geischen and give Taz the SAME treament other forwards get.
 

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Eddie was furious over it on ABC AM and will probably be fined over it. Eddie says they are sending a tape of Tarrant's treament to the AFL to look at.
 

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eddie will get fined, but i imagine that you wouldnt file a complaint without being so confident that you were on the money. but one feels the afl wont lie down and acknowledge taz is getting a raw deal
 

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I have only noticed it lately (because I never took notice) but its getting really bad, I mean Richo had a winghe when he was getting nothing, why cant MM and Taz go to Geishen and talk about it
 
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I didn't see the game but I did hear McGuire's rant on 3LO. His line was that Tarrant gets mauled every week. I can't comment on yesterday's game but I can comment on what I've observed during the first round and what I've seen on TV.

Tarrant doesn't get treated any worse than anyone else. The star midfielders are impeded and interfered with more regularly without getting free kicks. Everybody on the field gets interfered with without getting free kicks. There was enough publicity about that last week. 44 players take the field during a game, around 30 free kicks are paid. All other things being equal, 70 % of players would get a free kick in a game. If you take out the frees that are for out on the full and adjust for those players who are in the thick of it all the time and who get, and give away, multiple free kicks, the numbers of players on each side who get free kicks will be in single figures.

Statistically, Tarrant is unlikely to get a free kick in most games anyway. Further, his game is the long and fast lead. Most of his possessions are uncontested. He doesn't play the sort of game that is likely to mean he gives or receives free kicks as a midfielder or ruckman does.

It's a beat up by your president, looking for a headline.
 

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Looking for a headline my ass. This has always been an issue. It's not the fact that he doesn't just get free kicks but he doesn't get free kicks he deserves. He is penalised for not acting for free kicks basically.
 
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Absolute made up bull********!!

http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerCom...&SelectedPlayers=812,717,21,81,1088,1181,982,

I hear what you're saying about Tarrant being fast on the lead, but he's slower this year due to him carrying a knee injury, and as such, he is under more heat than in previous years. And how would it explain having a player like Mark Williams having 7 free kicks.
Difficult to say, Figjam because I haven't watched much Hawthorn. My guess is that he's a smaller forward ergo in and under. He plays like a midfielder in the forward line.
 
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Looking for a headline my ass. This has always been an issue. It's not the fact that he doesn't just get free kicks but he doesn't get free kicks he deserves. He is penalised for not acting for free kicks basically.
The point is that nobody gets the free kicks they deserve. You are wrong about Tarrent not acting. He does it as much as anyone. Assuming that you are comparing him to Lloyd, the latter goes to ground and has received a lot of publicity for his staging so he gets noticed, particularly by opposition supporters. They all act. Tarrent is no different.
 

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I agree thats it's more difficult for forwards to win free kicks, and Hall is a good example but you don't see the mauling he gets on a television screen. Taz is usually grabbed before he even has a chance to lead. Twice Glass wrapped him around the waist which should have been obvious frees. And the Jones karate chop across the shoulder followed by a throw to the ground all infront of the umpire with the ball nowhere in sight so incensed Bursie he chased the umpire and gave him a gobful. You wouldn't see it much with the Bulldogs because you haven't got any decent forwards. Time to make a big deal about it, Why? Because bleeting in the media works.
 

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Didnt watch much of the game yesterday. So cant comment. But no body is more stiff in the competetion than Tredrae. He is man handled nearly everytime he goes near the ball. Also what a disgrace the you guys go t the goal from the umpires bounce that went straight to Egan. GRRRRRR
 

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Tarrant has recieved a couple of frees in the last two years, Tredrea is well into double figures. And you obviously didn't see the 4 skewed center bounces that went staight to Cox who hardly needs the extra help, or the Matera shocker in the middle of the last quarter. We were dudded on the day and I'm glad we won or it would have been called sour grapes.
 
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I agree thats it's more difficult for forwards to win free kicks, and Hall is a good example but you don't see the mauling he gets on a television screen. Taz is usually grabbed before he even has a chance to lead. Twice Glass wrapped him around the waist which should have been obvious frees. And the Jones karate chop across the shoulder followed by a throw to the ground all infront of the umpire with the ball nowhere in sight so incensed Bursie he chased the umpire and gave him a gobful. You wouldn't see it much with the Bulldogs because you haven't got any decent forwards. Time to make a big deal about it, Why? Because bleeting in the media works.
It's not that it's more difficult for forwards to win free kicks. It's that its difficult for anybody to win free kicks. Players whose game involves regular contact, such as ruckmen, inside midfelders and forwards like Lynch are more likely to give and get free kicks than leading forwards and outside runners. You are right, a lot of the manhandling you describe isn't seen on TV. But what makes you think that Tarrent is treated any more harshly than Johnson, Brown, Lloyd, Neitz, Williams, Treadrea, Jonathan Brown etc ? What you describe as happening to Tarrent I see happen to Brad Johnson every week.

Time to make a big deal of it ? Your president is a television presenter, he likes seeing his name in the paper. Whether it will have the desired effect or not, time will tell. It's just as likely to backfire, though, the way Sheedy's bleating about Lloyd has. I didn't go to the footy this weekend so I don't know whether the taggers backed off a bit or not following the publicity about Judd and Lyons' follow up article. I'll bet you they are at it again next week though. Nothing will change until a directive comes from the League either targetting the holding of forwards, although, given the uproar over the arm striking directive, I don't think that will happen, or there is a cultural shift towards paying more free kicks.

I am sure that you are right that Tarrent gets interfered with and does not get free kicks. He's no different from anyone else. It happens to them all.
 

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Read the link I posted again. There are none of the major full forwards on as few free kicks as Tarrant. None.

If you disagree it's because you are completely ignorant.
 

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Everyone here is soooo biased its funny

When it comes down to it, I could bag any player for Collingwood and you would say its bull********
 

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Bulldogrob why I see your point about leading players, Tarrant, due to injuries and such, has been more of a stay at home forward and most of his marks are actually contested now. He makes few of his trademark 50 metre leads nowadays. He used to get more free where he made quick leads because his oponent would be at full pace but he would stop and prop on the lead and the player would cannon into the back of him.
The problem with Tarrant is he does not stage (it's gotten to a stage where this is a problem :() and most of the time this happens:
- Ball is kicked to Tarrant and his oponent, Tarrant jostles for position
- Oponent grabs Tarrrant around waist, shoulders, holds on to jumper or all of above
- Tarrant is frustrated by this and complains to the ump the first instance or two of this
- Tarrant gives up and tries to wrestle back in the next couple of contests. Tries to make the best of the situation. So now the free kicks are just not there because as soon as the oponent starts to grab hold of him he tries to wrestle his way out, which looks as if both are holding each other.
 

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jabso said:
Bulldogrob why I see your point about leading players, Tarrant, due to injuries and such, has been more of a stay at home forward and most of his marks are actually contested now. He makes few of his trademark 50 metre leads nowadays. He used to get more free where he made quick leads because his oponent would be at full pace but he would stop and prop on the lead and the player would cannon into the back of him.
The problem with Tarrant is he does not stage (it's gotten to a stage where this is a problem :() and most of the time this happens:
- Ball is kicked to Tarrant and his oponent, Tarrant jostles for position
- Oponent grabs Tarrrant around waist, shoulders, holds on to jumper or all of above
- Tarrant is frustrated by this and complains to the ump the first instance or two of this
- Tarrant gives up and tries to wrestle back in the next couple of contests. Tries to make the best of the situation. So now the free kicks are just not there because as soon as the oponent starts to grab hold of him he tries to wrestle his way out, which looks as if both are holding each other.
So you have just admitted that Tarrant wrestles back, which means play on. Gee you know how to role yourself. lmao
 

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He gets held and then he wrestles back to try and mark the friggin pill.
What is he supposed to do? Let the likes of Glass hug him like a freaken teddy bear and let the ball land on his noggin?
 

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But no body is more stiff in the competetion than Tredrae. He is man handled nearly everytime he goes near the ball.
Tredrea has 9 free kicks already this year. At he rate he's going, Tarrant won't get to 9 for the season.

Your argument over Tarrant being a low-free kick player is misguided, because over his career, Tarrant has received around about 1 free kick a game, and this year it's dropped even further away from that, where he's now averaging .2 of a free kick per game. And that's while playing a much more body-on-body role.

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Also what a disgrace the you guys go t the goal from the umpires bounce that went straight to Egan. GRRRRRR
Watch it again, the bounce didn't go straight to Egan, he ran around the pack to get to it.

Anybody else COULD have roved that ball and gotten to it, but Egan was the only player who did, and was fast enough to break away to the goals.

And, as was said, there were about 5 or 6 centre bounces that went straight behind Cox, leaving him free to tap it on, unopposed, to either Kerr, Cousins or Fletcher.
 
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