Discussion Tasmania AFL Jumper Design

[That_Guy_Odyssey]

V5 Tassie Devils Kit

Edits:

• Lighter shade of green
• Edited 'V' pattern (wider, no gap between, only 2 chevrons)
• Removed vertical stripe from home, away and clash kits
• Added transparent Devil on clash guernsey
• Indigenous guernsey with lighter green
• Smaller TAS image on heritage guernsey and within the green hoop
• Heritage guernsey now yellow with yellow hoop changed to green

 

[That_Guy_Odyssey]

V6 Tassie Devils Kit

Edits:

• Predominantly red clash guernsey
• Home version of heritage guernsey
• Away version of indigenous guernsey

 

[p4p1]

its not cultural appropriation in my eyes! go ahead and celebrate our culture! the more people getting involved the better! White fella can celebrate and join our culture and is the same the other way round. dont feel scared to join, we are more than welcome to have you join in with us.

It’s great that white people are telling you that white people taking part in your culture is cultural appropriation.

 

[Feraligatr]

its not cultural appropriation in my eyes! go ahead and celebrate our culture! the more people getting involved the better! White fella can celebrate and join our culture and is the same the other way round. dont feel scared to join, we are more than welcome to have you join in with us.

My dad was indigenous and I agree with you. I think sharing culture is the best way to come together.

I think its only cultural appropriation if a non indigenous person makes art and tries to sell it pretending to be genuine.

 

[That_Guy_Odyssey]

It’s great that white people are telling you that white people taking part in your culture is cultural appropriation.

I know, its not in any way to be bad though. They are trying to do the right thing. The media today make it hard to draw the line...

 

[That_Guy_Odyssey]

My dad was indigenous and I agree with you. I think sharing culture is the best way to come together.

I think its only cultural appropriation if a non indigenous person makes art and tries to sell it pretending to be genuine.

Exactly! Give credit where credit is due.

 

[Tandy]

its not cultural appropriation in my eyes! go ahead and celebrate our culture! the more people getting involved the better! White fella can celebrate and join our culture and is the same the other way round. dont feel scared to join, we are more than welcome to have you join in with us.

What a great attitude

 

[p4p1]

I know, its not in any way to be bad though. They are trying to do the right thing. The media today make it hard to draw the line...

The media and in particular our want to follow Americas lead.
The issue for me is that culture is supposed to be shared, sometimes people get it wrong, sometimes extremely wrong ie, trying to say something that has been borrowed was created by them/their culture.
While I personally don't have a good understanding of aboriginal art, and I think surely it has got to be easier to just draw the thing rather than using dots and lines to create an image of the subject, as you have wonderfully done in some of your designs. There is no denying the beauty that comes from that style of art.
Is there a distinct different between different regions artwork? Or has that been lost through time? Australia is somewhere around the size of Europe, so logically I would have to think there is some huge differences between a tribe/culture from the coast of WA and the coast of Qld/NSW.

 

[BigChippa52]

good to hear that may be more open to making more indigenous round concepts loves showing that part of our sport all the great indigenous players past and present and the land these clubs are on represented in a special jersey but i still feel that an indigenous artist would be able to put a big message on it than me just doing a design

 

[That_Guy_Odyssey]

good to hear that may be more open to making more indigenous round concepts loves showing that part of our sport all the great indigenous players past and present and the land these clubs are on represented in a special jersey but i still feel that an indigenous artist would be able to put a big message on it than me just doing a design

i could teach you some of the meanings and skills to tell stories through indigenous art? most of my indigenous art tells a simplified and short story.

 

[BigChippa52]

i could teach you some of the meanings and skills to tell stories through indigenous art? most of my indigenous art tells a simplified and short story.

I do know a bit but that would be nice I think that simplistic designs while telling a story of the club and the people and the connection to the land is always nice

 

[Prison bar Pete]

Tasmania Guernsey - Relive the Rivalry 2018
I stumbled across this one on Google Images; some sort of legends game by the looks - it's a potential design I suppose!

Then followed up on a Facebook page:
Relive the Rivalry
There's a few different designs on display - here's a couple:

 

[Mero]

They won't use the map of Tassie with the T because they can't copyright it.
But Myrtle Green, Maroon & Gold are a cert.

 

[BigChippa52]

They won't use the map of Tassie with the T because they can't copyright it.
But Myrtle Green, Maroon & Gold are a cert.

why is that?

 

[Mero]

why is that?

Those are the colours AFL Licensing asked me about.
When they changed from Myrtle, Primrose & Rose, and if there were any Pantone matches for the colours they are now.
The answers was from 1961 to present. Before 1961 it was

They don't want these.
They want the exact colours of these:

 

[justlookingaround]

They won't use the map of Tassie with the T because they can't copyright it.
But Myrtle Green, Maroon & Gold are a cert.

AFL after an unpaid consultant as per usual?

 

[Mero]

AFL after an unpaid consultant as per usual?

There’s benefits…
You’ll find the images on the website are now based off the official artwork, not me tracing them, which makes them more accurate and saves me a lot of time.

 

[Tandy]

Glad it won't have the T. Just not needed

 

[Fizzler]

Glad it won't have the T. Just not needed

I’m 99% sure the reason they can’t trademark it is because of the map, though I’d have thought the device of a gold Tassie map with a red T is synonymous enough with footy that the AFL could trademark it but I guess not. That being said I wouldn’t want them using the map because they’re the state’s team, not the state team (massive difference).

 

[Tandy]

I’m 99% sure the reason they can’t trademark it is because of the map, though I’d have thought the device of a gold Tassie map with a red T is synonymous enough with footy that the AFL could trademark it but I guess not. That being said I wouldn’t want them using the map because they’re the state’s team, not the state team (massive difference).

Yep and the logo they adopt could have the shape of the state like a 3 curved sided shield

 

[justlookingaround]

I'm not an expert in copyright law (or in any field for that matter..) but surely they'll come up with a stylised representation of The Map that they can copyright? Or at the very least a logo that goes inside the map.
They do this a fair bit for secondary logos in American Sports, especially when the teams represent a whole state rather than a city.
A few examples:

 

[lake81]

They won't use the map of Tassie with the T because they can't copyright it.
But Myrtle Green, Maroon & Gold are a cert.

Shame, wish they would used more imagination and give the team its own identity while still staying true. At least the colours are unigue in the league

 

[Bjo187]

Green yes, but using the state colours and jumper for a league team is silly, especially when state games could return at some point.

 

[Mero]

I'm not an expert in copyright law (or in any field for that matter..) but surely they'll come up with a stylised representation of The Map that they can copyright? Or at the very least a logo that goes inside the map.
They do this a fair bit for secondary logos in American Sports, especially when the teams represent a whole state rather than a city.
A few examples:
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The AFL want to own whatever the team use.
It's not just that it's a map of Tassie.
In the same way Kylie Jenner can't copyright the name Kylie because Kylie Minogue is Kylie
Tassie AFL team can't use the Tassie State team logo (Gold Map with Maroon T) because it belongs to and is recognised as a Tassie State team logo.
It might be a secondary logo nod to the past, however, they will have their own identity which is how they will be known.

 

[Mero]

I’m 99% sure the reason they can’t trademark it is because of the map, though I’d have thought the device of a gold Tassie map with a red T is synonymous enough with footy that the AFL could trademark it but I guess not. That being said I wouldn’t want them using the map because they’re the state’s team, not the state team (massive difference).

That's exactly it.
The AFL want this club to be a franchise of the AFL, not the Tassie State Team.
As such, they will not wear the Tassie State team branding.