Tasmania Congratulations on Tassie License. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5

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Tasmanian saint said:
Things are about to get interesting looks like the Tasmanian government have finally grown some balls . Have put out a statement in the media today they want a answer now otherwise they don’t want to have any future dealings with the Afl
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Its sad that its come to this.

As if the grossly underfunded AFLTas isn't bad enough, they gutted it even further. Its basically become impossible to run a state league. They want to divert that money into the devils u18 program & pay for Victorian clubs to fly into Tasmania, plus accommodation costs. All paid out of the Tasmanian football budget which was miniscule to start with.

I think this has added to the Task force frustration & the disgust of a number of politicians.
 
I love this approach. Nothing else has worked. The AFL continuously sells us on the fact that we'll soon have our own team, but it never comes.

I think if there is no guaranteed pathway to a team by the AFL then the government should and will pull all their funds for North and Hawthorn.

It's a clever approach, because it'll leave an $8 million hole in club revenue that the AFL will no doubt have to cover, thus financially incentivising them to give us a team.
 

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I love this approach. Nothing else has worked. The AFL continuously sells us on the fact that we'll soon have our own team, but it never comes.

I think if there is no guaranteed pathway to a team by the AFL then the government should and will pull all their funds for North and Hawthorn.

It's a clever approach, because it'll leave an $8 million hole in club revenue that the AFL will no doubt have to cover, thus financially incentivising them to give us a team.
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Hawks & North make much more than the $8mili. Members, corporate sponsors etc.

The AFL has always been a support structure for the VFL. Its aim is to draw players, support & money from its expansion. Its all about corporate growth & looking after its Victorian base. The VicGov know how important it is for the State economy. Hence the 'close' relationship. WA & SA football is given scant regard. They contribute to the VFL via the national media rights & basically self support, with a few crumbs trickling down to lower football levels.

Here we have no team which would help support the lower footy community. Even pro rata, the AFL does virtually nothing here. More money leaves the state than comes in.

So the AFL is basically a leach.
 
madmug said:
Hawks & North make much more than the $8mili. Members, corporate sponsors etc.

The AFL has always been a support structure for the VFL. Its aim is to draw players, support & money from its expansion. Its all about corporate growth & looking after its Victorian base. The VicGov know how important it is for the State economy. Hence the 'close' relationship. WA & SA football is given scant regard. They contribute to the VFL via the national media rights & basically self support, with a few crumbs trickling down to lower football levels.

Here we have no team which would help support the lower footy community. Even pro rata, the AFL does virtually nothing here. More money leaves the state than comes in.

So the AFL is basically a leach.
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Yep. When the AFL say they can't afford a Tasmanian team, it's not that they can't afford the team itself (because the team would make them more money than it costs). The issue is that they can't afford the Tas government's money being diverted away from their own teams in Melbourne.

Hawthorn is clearly strong enough to look after themselves now, but the AFL is already pushing to replace them with another team who isn't in St Kilda.

The government needs to be strong with a view that the money is there for a Tasmanian team or not at all. The smaller less self-sufficient Victorian teams are not our problem.
 
Tasmanian saint said:
Things are about to get interesting looks like the Tasmanian government have finally grown some balls . Have put out a statement in the media today they want a answer now otherwise they don’t want to have any future dealings with the Afl
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Go Jack Jumpers! Not sure why Tasmanians would continue to follow AFL, it's becoming more boring, congested and defensive every year. Eight million dollars a year would be better spent on our own sports facilities like soccer grounds to attract an A League expansion.
 
Jazny said:
Go Jack Jumpers! Not sure why Tasmanians would continue to follow AFL, it's becoming more boring, congested and defensive every year. Eight million dollars a year would be better spent on our own sports facilities like soccer grounds to attract an A League expansion.
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The A league is a 4th rate soccer league. No one is interested.
 
madmug said:
What would a stadium cost? Whats the interest like in other states? If its on the Aleague plans then why dont they play regular games here to test the interest.? Is their a business plan for any of this?
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The A league is on its knees due to continued mismanagement and will be doing Well to still be around in 5 years so I can’t see it being a threat to anything. Basketball though is a whole different story I think people are underestimating how much this sport is about to explode in the junior ranks it’s flown past football the last couple years with a new stadium and the side being ran buy one of the best operators in the country in Larry kestleman things are about to explode I have a feeling they will force the afl hand within 5 years the media landscape has also changed with the afl now starting to get called out on there lack of effort buy the Melbourne media they are under more pressure to do something!
 
The Tas. Business Case of 6.2.20 said:-

. the Tas. govt. is willing to commit at least $7.3m funds pa, indefinitely, to a Tas.19th team.

. seeks the AFL make a commitment of $17m pa, indefinitely.

. a Tas. team will generate c. $110m (the crucial no.) pa for the Tas. economy, mainly through mainland AFL fan tourism, in the quiet winter season; &, crucially, creates "hundreds" of permanent new jobs.

. the 11 extra games pa would be worth $19m pa in extra Rights' $ for the AFL. (Implies more Prime Time Thurs. night games- every Thur.?).

. Bellerive & York Park would be peppercorn rentals.

Main private sponsors won't commit funds, which will be very significant, until after Tas. is granted a licence.


I have previously made most of these comments, below, before.

The AFL wants Tas. to be in the AFL, because it wants its fabled, & extremely valuable, recruitment gold mine to be revived.
Also, the collapse of Tas. football is simply too embarassing for it, it knows it cant "spin" the failure, & it knows there is vast support on the mainland for Tas. to join as a 19th team.
(The AFL also knows no small Melb. club members will ever vote to move to Tas. In 2008, although desperately broke, NMFC members voted against the $100m AFL offer to move to the GC. NMFC is now very healthy $; Arden Region multi billion $ project soon developing; & outer NS booming).

IMO, the AFL &/or the 18 Clubs don't want the AFL to commit $17m pa to Tas.- but probably 75% of Clubs are in favour off Tas. joining (at least before covid).
(If the AFL first agrees to Tas., it must then be put to a vote- & receive a 75% minimum majority. GC & GWS will follow the AFL's instructions).

J. Kennett has changed his mind! He said in The Mercury yesterday he now agrees Tas. should join as the 19th team, if it is economically viable for the AFL.
This implies he now believes that Tas. itself can generate sufficient funds also to be viable & competitive.

The AFL will (rightly or wrongly) play hardball with the Tas. govt.

It will feign disinterest in making a prompt decision: "too much covid uncertainty"; & also likely say it simply wont agree to Tas., because it cant afford $17m pa/too many Clubs won't agree to $17m...but suggest that, if the Tas govt. increased their annual commitment to c. $20m pa, the AFL "will be confident of gaining 75% Clubs' approval".
I suspect the AFL, secretly, would be happy to obtain a guarantee of c $15m pa from the Tas. govt, for perpetuity, indexed to inflation.

The AFL & Clubs (rightly or wrongly) want to "derisk" the financial dangers of Tas. joining the AFL. We will, therefore, be seeing much brinksmanship for, perhaps, 6 months, as the Tas. govt. may not want to make an indexed commitment, for perpetuity, of $15m pa to the team...& fear a political backlash: "spend it on schools & hospitals etc.".
Tas. will, correctly, not renew its HFC & NMFC deals, unless it has a firm commitment, with a specific timeline when it will enter.
 
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Finally, might something interesting actually happen?
HS article said that basically, the Hawthorn and North deals would likely be extended to 2024, but that would be it.
This is great as I want Hawthorn out of Tassie and I also want a Tassie team.
My prediction is that the AFL will be open to a team, but will make demands that may be close to impossible - a new 30k stadium, $20m PA Tas govt commitment. Maybe a longer timeline. Who knows.
 
madmug said:
Hawks & North make much more than the $8mili. Members, corporate sponsors etc.

The AFL has always been a support structure for the VFL. Its aim is to draw players, support & money from its expansion. Its all about corporate growth & looking after its Victorian base. The VicGov know how important it is for the State economy. Hence the 'close' relationship. WA & SA football is given scant regard. They contribute to the VFL via the national media rights & basically self support, with a few crumbs trickling down to lower football levels.

Here we have no team which would help support the lower footy community. Even pro rata, the AFL does virtually nothing here. More money leaves the state than comes in.

So the AFL is basically a leach.
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I wonder why it has taken Tasmaina decades to wake up to this?Both North and esp Hawthorn are just bloodsuckers and bring very little to Tassie in the way of benefits!
The Tasmanian Govt should stop paying them millions of dollars a year and see how long they last in Tassie?
 
1. J. Kennett can, as of 27.11, see the writing on the wall: the mainland AF GR support for a Tas. 19th team is overwhelming...& many AFL Clubs also support it. N. Riewoldt says that he now supports J. Kennett!
Riewoldt has, also, yesterday said that covid has not hit the AFL as hard financially as was feared early in the pandemic.

IMO, the AFL will play hardball with Tasmania (as per my post #2762). Tas. must be steadfast, & say "A pathway, with an imminent timetable, or no more funding of AFL clubs". It can probably cancel the 2021 payments, claiming Force Majeure for the 2020 non-compliance (no AFL players & tourists could come to Tas. due to covid)

Brett Stubbs The Mercury 27.11.20

Stubbs said "Hawthorn President Jeff Kennett said the Hawks support Tasmania's aspirations for a stand-alone AFL Club, but believes the League is 4 or 5 years away from being able to sustain a team".

Kennett said yesterday

"We have joined with the Tasmania govt. in their aspirations...We are open to the concept".

(scroll to 27.11, then to "The Mercury. Its Now Or Never")


Riewoldt's comments etc, & other comments on the Tas. 19th team.

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2. 27.11.20. B. Godfrey, Tas. Business Case Chairman & very successful in big business, says he started out as a sceptic- but later become convinced by the very detailed research (outlined in link) that demonstrates that a Tas. 19th team can be financially sustainable, & be competitive

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3. G. Cornes, now a prominent SA MSM daily radio commentator, tweeted an hour ago

"The neglect of Tasmanian football by the AFL is a national disgrace. The state deserves- indeed it has earned- its right to have a stand-alone team. Keep up the good fight".



4. FoxSports 20.4.20

L. Montagna & J. Lewis, re the 18 AFL Clubs

"Two AFL Greats Claim Clubs Are Paying Bottom 15 Players Too Much Money".

Montagna said, re the average of each AFL Club

"The top 31 players play 98% of the season combined across the League. The bottom 15 players average 2%"!

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Two AFL greats claim clubs are paying ’bottom 15’ players too much money

Two AFL greats claim clubs are paying ordinary players too much
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The overpaid & incompetent AFL HQ, & 18 Clubs with their bloated & overpaid Football Depts., with their army of coaches & hangers-on etc, have been more interested in prioritising their own greed- often at the expense of promoting the male GR in Vic., WA, SA & Tas. (which, per capita, have had a significant loss of male GR market share to soccer & basketball- Tas. has declined even in raw male Club nos.).

Whilst Football Depts.' Caps have been reduced, by all Clubs, by $3.5m pa on a permanent basis, there is still too much "fat" in the "Football Industry" (sic)- & at AFL HQ.



5. Herald Sun M.Warner D. Russel. B.Stubbs 26.11.20

Tasmania is now willing to turn its back on the AFL.
"Losing footy's heartland will hurt Gill's legacy".

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The Newscorp array of media interests & (inc. Herald Sun & Foxtel) are now adopting a heavy anti-AFL approach, re delays in Tas. becoming the 19th team.
Newcorp knows that all mainland MSM polls (+ the AFL's own poll on afl.com!) show support for Tas. having its own team are usually c. 87%-92%.
Many Ch.7 commentators were also very supportive of a Tas. team, pre covid. Ditto, The Age commentators.
 
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The $7.3 million commitment from the government is very much a minimum figure. I believe the government is quite happy to put in $1m per home game as they've done with Hawthorn and North (and would probably give more if they have to).

This would mean the AFL's distribution drops to only $13m (possibly less)

In 2019 the AFL's base distribution was $11.2m (which went to Hawthorn and West Coast). Richmond received $12.5m.
 
the AFL have 5-10 years to get this right or basketball will start to gain some major ground. We are sick to death of promises.

For those saying it is the NBL, yes perhaps. But the Perth Wildcats show that an NBL club can be successful and grow large. And the Jack jumpers have no competition and full support from our government. make no mistake, they will be a threat
 
BobbyMorri said:
the AFL have 5-10 years to get this right or basketball will start to gain some major ground. We are sick to death of promises.

For those saying it is the NBL, yes perhaps. But the Perth Wildcats show that an NBL club can be successful and grow large. And the Jack jumpers have no competition and full support from our government. make no mistake, they will be a threat
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guess basketball dominates cairns and wollongong
 
The_Wookie said:
Sure it will. We've been hearing this since the 80s all over the country. But im sure that a tasmanian NBL side will just dominate everything down here.
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yawn. same old same old.

never said it would dominate. I only said threat and major grounds. Threat, cause they will leak the money away from AFL, and not just the top level. The NBL team already has a new stadium and indoor community grounds. The NBL1 teams have got grants to visit schools. You not going to give a grant to a TSL club to do that. and how often can FIFO teams do that.....And there is a clear pathway. they are small examples.

Major ground in Tassie. 5-10 years to settle. To get into the schools, to get into the kids. Last time I checked, this forum was all about expansion and generation change, especially up north. If you dont think they can happen, when why the F is the AFL in GWS and elsewhere. Sure the NBL is tiny, but so is Tasmania. If the NBL really wants to make us a Basketball state(their words, not mine) then they can easily do what the AFL does in the North and still have money to spend.

Only fools think major sports like the NRL or AFL will disappear entirely in the regions they dominate. it is is all about market share blah blah blah.
 
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The_Reaper said:
guess basketball dominates cairns and wollongong
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couldn't care TBH. neither are states and islands to themselves. Especially Wollongong, which is barely out of Sydney

The fact that Cairns survives and are now playing out of a new stadium(soon) and made finals last year, showcase they are not doing badly. after all, Townsville Crocs died not long ago.
 
Im with you 100% on this matter BringBackTorps.
Ive never believed you need all the hanger on assistant coaches and the overpaid"Managers" ($800,000 + bonuses) at the AFL HQ Its just squandering the easy non earnt TV money!

"The overpaid & incompetent AFL HQ, & 18 Clubs with their bloated & overpaid Football Depts., with their army of coaches & hangers-on etc, have been more interested in prioritising their own greed- often at the expense of promoting the male GR in Vic., WA, SA & Tas. (which, per capita, have had a significant loss of male GR market share to soccer & basketball- Tas. has declined even in raw male Club nos.).

Whilst Football Depts.' Caps have been reduced, by all Clubs, by $3.5m pa on a permanent basis, there is still too much "fat" in the "Football Industry" (sic)- & at AFL HQ."
 
The_Reaper said:
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I don’t think you get the point his making support for afl clubs down here is strong always will be but junior footy is in a terrible state through afl mismanagement my local club dodges Ferry has just had to merge there junior teams with another club due to lack of players this is the same area that produced Jeremy Howe only ten years ago now can’t even field a team . In the meantime basketball participation numbers have gone through the roof there having to build new courts no one excepts the nbl to take over but they will make a impact if the afl continue to do nothing the nbl team is fully government and nbl backed so will be a lot better resources then the last one as well as having a new stadium to play out of
 
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