Tasmania set to apply for a provisional AFL licence (aiming to enter competition by 2025)

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Mr Taswegian

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Yes, but that is the only place we have played (until now). I have been, but aside from the game, you can't get out of Launceston quick enough. Hobart on the other hand is brilliant for 2 - 4 days.
I hope the find a decent spot to build a mini Optus in Hobart. 36K with steep stands and 4k drop in seats meaning it is FIFA compliant - get some Federal funding for our upcoming World Cup hosting bid. Reckon Hobart could average around 25K-30k once they start winning a few games.
That sounds great, I would happily travel down from Scottsdale if that happened.
 

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I mean, that's such a dumb argument. Even excluding Asian immigration, the difference in population from mainland states to Tasmania is only going to grow and grow over time, Tasmania will fall further behind, do you not understand this?
I disagree that it is dumb argument. I think it is highly relevant. You would argue that it is a good idea to open a pizza shop in Springvale, just because there are more people moving there - even though the majority of people moving there will never eat pizza. Raw numbers are great, but it is more important to have a population that actually has an interest in your product. Tasmania still has the highest participation level of any state, despite recent declines. The state's passion for the game is exactly why a team will be a great and instant success.
 
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I disagree that it is dumb argument. I think it is highly relevant. You would argue that it is a good idea to open a pizza shop in Springvale, just because there are more people moving there - even though the majority of people moving there will never eat pizza. Raw numbers are great, but it is more important to have a population that actually has an interest in your product.

I mean would you open a pizza restaurant in a suburb that is growing MUCH faster in raw numbers in terms of people who don't eat pizza AND those that do? Or one which is getting (relatively) smaller and smaller (with less economic wealth) over time?
 

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I mean would you open a pizza restaurant in a suburb that is growing MUCH faster in raw numbers in terms of people who don't eat pizza AND those that do? Or one which is getting (relatively) smaller and smaller (with less economic wealth) over time?
I would open one where my target demographic is. I would definitely NOT open one just because an area's population is growing. I hope you are not in business.
 

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I would open one where my target demographic is. I would definitely NOT open one just because an area's population is growing. I hope you are not in business.

How do you still not get this basic point? That target demographic is growing faster TOO. Why can't you get this into your skull? EVERYTHING is growing faster.
 

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Are you underrating the cynicism of the AFL administration with so many clubs that cant pull a crowd on their own at home?

11 home games in Tas is an opportunity for tourism.
Clubs that have below average crowds are either situated in key growth areas or contribute significantly to the broadcast rights by playing the vast majority of their games as Fox exclusives in their home market.

Which category does a Tasmanian team with below average crowds fall in? Definitely not the former, very unlikely to be the latter. Thus it would seem Tassie's best chance of getting a team is to follow the path of the other non-Vic heartland teams: get a proper stadium and don't have below average crowds.
 

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How do you still not get this basic point? That target demographic is growing faster TOO. Why can't you get this into your skull? EVERYTHING is growing faster.
I understand your point - it is obvious. I just don't agree. For example, over 2020 and 2021, with very little overseas immigration, Tasmania's population grew at a much faster rate than the mainland. So, my point remains valid.
 

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I understand your point - it is obvious. I just don't agree. For example, over 2020 and 2021, with very little overseas immigration, Tasmania's population grew at a much faster rate than the mainland. So, my point remains valid.

Before you were talking about raw numbers, have you gone back to percentages now because it suits your argument better?
 

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Before you were talking about raw numbers, have you gone back to percentages now because it suits your argument better?
No, I am countering your argument that it is an accepted fact that Tasmania is always slipping further behind the mainland. It simply isn't.
 

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No, I am countering your argument that it is an accepted fact that Tasmania is always slipping further behind the mainland. It simply isn't.

So Tasmania’s population in raw numbers is growing faster than the mainlands then? Interesting
 

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So Tasmania’s population in raw numbers is growing faster than the mainlands then? Interesting
My first post in this topic today remains valid - most mainland population growth is from immigrants who are unlikely to follow AFL, and that any perceived disadvantage the Tasmania has from having less immigration (historically, not recently) should not be a factor in whether they should have a team. The rest is you talking in circles.
 

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My first post in this topic today remains valid - most mainland population growth is from immigrants who are unlikely to follow AFL, and that any perceived disadvantage the Tasmania has from having less immigration (historically, not recently) should not be a factor in whether they should have a team. The rest is you talking in circles.

We’re talking in circles because you constantly change the goal posts every post because what you’re posting is stupid.

The mainland is growing faster than Tasmania, fact, and you keep arguing that.
 

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Clubs that have below average crowds are either situated in key growth areas or contribute significantly to the broadcast rights by playing the vast majority of their games as Fox exclusives in their home market.

Which category does a Tasmanian team with below average crowds fall in? Definitely not the former, very unlikely to be the latter. Thus it would seem Tassie's best chance of getting a team is to follow the path of the other non-Vic heartland teams: get a proper stadium and don't have below average crowds.

Tas is heartland quite different to development States (NSW & Q).

The problem for our game is what was a nursery of elite footballers has 'dried out', essentially from neglect since the AFL tried to take control of the game nationally. It is unique in our game & needs to be treated accordingly.
The games scheduled in Tas need to be a priority not a dumping ground.
 

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Jeez you’d hope so! Can’t see a Tasmanian team having much success as over time tassys population and economy will continue to fall further behind the mainland.
. Had the best performing economy in the country for the past 6 quarters place is booming at the moment. Our cricket teams have never had a drama being successful in national competitions were not the Gold Coast champ
 

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No because without the sport being relevant in the state, they wont be playing basketball.

But basketball was growing massively BEFORE tha Jack Jumpers lobbed right?

Mate, if Luc Longley can be found in Perth in the early 90s, a Tassie kid wwith NBA talent will be spotted in the 2020s regardless of whether the JJs exist or not.

To be clear: the Jack Jumpers are great. Tassie should have its own standalone AFL team.
 

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But basketball was growing massively BEFORE tha Jack Jumpers lobbed right?

Mate, if Luc Longley can be found in Perth in the early 90s, a Tassie kid wwith NBA talent will be spotted in the 2020s regardless of whether the JJs exist or not.

To be clear: the Jack Jumpers are great. Tassie should have its own standalone AFL team.
Wikipedia says he was recruited from Perth Wildcats... He wasnt just playing basketball in his lunchbreak at school. Having a pro team in the state is going to increase participation, give oppurtunities for those already participating to access better coaches, and helps retain talent in the state, and will also be good for the local bball leagues with better facilities.

I know I hadnt seen a game of basketball before the JJs first game.
 

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There's only one non-youth development player on the JackJumpers that's a Tasmanian. NBL is a pretty high standard of basketball in a global professional context, and there's plenty of Aussies who are good enough to play Division I college ball that aren't good enough to play NBL. If you're a half-decent basketballer, you've already geared yourself up to play college, national junior championships, etc. You've already accepted travelling and moving around as part of your life, and you're going to accept that. The opportunity to "stay home" is kind of irrelavent for basketball.
 

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Wikipedia says he was recruited from Perth Wildcats... He wasnt just playing basketball in his lunchbreak at school. Having a pro team in the state is going to increase participation, give oppurtunities for those already participating to access better coaches, and helps retain talent in the state, and will also be good for the local bball leagues with better facilities.

I know I hadnt seen a game of basketball before the JJs first game.

Bit more to the Longley story, his father Ric was at the end of his own career when the Wildcats joined the NBL & he represented them in its inaugural year 1982.
I think Rick played a few 2nds games for Claremont in the WAFL.
 

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Yeah you guys are right, interest in basketball in Tasmania was super high and couldnt get any higher before the Jackjumpers were started. The Jackjumpers will have zero impact on interest and participation in basketball in this state and the quality of the coaching and exposure to high performance programs that young Tasmanian basketballers will get... just like how there were heaps of Queensland and NSW Aussie Rules players in the highst level of that sport before Brisbane and Sydney joined. Those clubs made zero impact at all in their respective states.

Throughout our history every kid in Tasmania with the athletic profile to play basketball all chose basketball over the other sports like AFL even though nobody really cared about basketball. It's just magic. If you are good or could be good at basketball, you just instantly are, dont even need to have seen the game before or have any exposure to coaching and talent pathways.

Honestly we could get rid of the NBL entirely and just have kids play junior basketball at school if they feel like it and Australia would produce the exact same number and quality of international level basketballers :thumbsu:
 

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Yeah you guys are right, interest in basketball in Tasmania was super high and couldnt get any higher before the Jackjumpers were started. The Jackjumpers will have zero impact on interest and participation in basketball in this state and the quality of the coaching and exposure to high performance programs that young Tasmanian basketballers will get... just like how there were heaps of Queensland and NSW Aussie Rules players in the highst level of that sport before Brisbane and Sydney joined. Those clubs made zero impact at all in their respective states.

Throughout our history every kid in Tasmania with the athletic profile to play basketball all chose basketball over the other sports like AFL even though nobody really cared about basketball. It's just magic. If you are good or could be good at basketball, you just instantly are, dont even need to have seen the game before or have any exposure to coaching and talent pathways.

Honestly we could get rid of the NBL entirely and just have kids play junior basketball at school if they feel like it and Australia would produce the exact same number and quality of international level basketballers :thumbsu:
You do realise that the NBL is a privately owned competition with privately owned teams that's separate from Basketball Australia and its youth development programs yeah? Nobody's saying it's not broadly good for basketball in Tassie, just that there aren't fundamentally significant changes to the nature of teenage sports development in the state by its existence. Tassie previously had and will continue to field U18 and U20 nationals team. Tassie previously had and will continue to have NBL1 teams that play the Victorian teams that are senior extensions of the youth rep teams those clubs operate, and where the development has and will continue to occur. Are the JackJumpers running an Academy? Offering additional resources (other than the development player slots) to either the Tassie NBL1 teams or Tassie state junior teams? No?

Additionally, teenagers aren't good enough to play NBL anyway, short of a Josh Giddey good enough to be a top 10 NBA pick anyway. How does an unattainable NBL spot on the JackJumpers influence a 17-year-old anyway if they're still a few years away from being good enough?
 
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You do realise that the NBL is a privately owned competition with privately owned teams that's separate from Basketball Australia and its youth development programs yeah? Nobody's saying it's not broadly good for basketball in Tassie, just that there aren't fundamentally significant changes to the nature of teenage sports development in the state by its existence. Tassie previously had and will continue to field U18 and U20 nationals team. Tassie previously had and will continue to have NBL1 teams that play the Victorian teams that are senior extensions of the youth rep teams those clubs operate, and where the development has and will continue to occur. Are the JackJumpers running an Academy? Offering additional resources (other than the development player slots) to either the Tassie NBL1 teams or Tassie state junior teams? No?

Additionally, teenagers aren't good enough to play NBL anyway, short of a Josh Giddey good enough to be a top 10 NBA pick anyway. How does an unattainable NBL spot on the JackJumpers influence a 17-year-old anyway if they're still a few years away from being good enough?
Basketball has half the participants of soccer in Tas and less than Aussie rules... which has declined so much. I think you will see that go up a lot. Many Tasmanians like me will have never seen a game of basketball before the JJs. Having elite players in the state, a team to care about and promote the game in schools, and better facilities will be big. No current nbl player came up through the junior system in Tas. If JJs are successful, you will see that change a lot in 10 years.
 

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Sam Graham was formerly in charge of AFLNSW/ACT- where he attracted praise for the major growth of GR AF nos. in NSW & ACT under his reign.
He is fully aware of the power of tribalism, & the impact of having one's own local elite team & local elite pathways; & how the Swans & GWS have been a massive contributor to AF growth in NSW & ACT.

Graham was promoted to AFL HQ in 2020.
It will be very advantageous for Tas., therefore, that he will be one of the 2 joint representitives from the AFL HQ assessing the merits of adding a Tas. team as the 19th club.

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[Re GR basketball nos.] I think you will see that go up a lot. Many Tasmanians like me will have never seen a game of basketball before the JJs. Having elite players in the state, a team to care about and promote the game in schools, and better facilities will be big.
Yes.

I find it very strange that the big majority of sports' fans readily acknowledge the huge importance of tribalism/GR emotional connections for the progress of their local elite team & sport- but many claim these 2 factors are not relevant to the significant decline in male GR AF in Tasmania.
 
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Yes.

I find it very strange that the big majority of sports' fans readily acknowledge the huge importance of tribalism/GR emotional connections for the progress of their local elite team & sport- but claim these 2 factors are not relevant to the significant decline in male GR AF in Tasmania.
Yeah exactly... what sport you are interested in and decide to play as a kid has absolutely nothing to do with the sports you are exposed to. And your ability to reach the top level has nothing to do with the quality of coaches, infrastructure, competition, and ability to retain talent in your local area. It's all just based on genetics and magic. Tasmania has no NRL players, not because there is almost zero interest and representation in rugby in Tasmania, but because we just dont have the right genes for NRL in Tasmania, only people born in QLD and NSW do. But for some reason we have good cricket genes in Tasmania, not because we have a professional team in the state, but because the god of cricket blessed our state with cricket genes. It all makes total sense :thumbsu:
 

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