Tasmania set to apply for a provisional AFL licence (aiming to enter competition by 2025)

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Maybe, but for 'some' reason, in 2018 Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced $500,000,000 for the MCG & Etihad.

Nice of Government to hand that sort of money out. :)
Victoria’s major stadiums will get nearly $500 million in state-funded upgrades, with almost half the cash going to a makeover of Etihad Stadium.
In a $225 million deal with the AFL, the grand final will stay at the MCG until at least 2057....... The deal also means the Melbourne Cricket Club Trust has the security to undertake a major redevelopment of the MCG.

The money will come out of the 2018-19 state budget, alongside $241.6 million for suburban and regional grounds.


Bloody sleazy deal that works for Victoria at the expense of AFL footy nationally.
 

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Victoria’s major stadiums will get nearly $500 million in state-funded upgrades, with almost half the cash going to a makeover of Etihad Stadium.
In a $225 million deal with the AFL, the grand final will stay at the MCG until at least 2057....... The deal also means the Melbourne Cricket Club Trust has the security to undertake a major redevelopment of the MCG.

The money will come out of the 2018-19 state budget, alongside $241.6 million for suburban and regional grounds.
Its not along with, its inclusive. And its not just AFL grounds or major stadiums. Theres a decent amount of money in their for hockey and rugby league too.

As I wrote

He announced no funding for the MCG at all. He did announce $225 million for Etihad - which Ill note is about 10 million a year for each grand final in the extended period, about what the NSW Gov pays for the NRL Grand Final at the moment.

The 500 million was for all the sporting funding that included an additional 242 million in funding for
  • $64.6 million for a major upgrade to the State Netball and Hockey Centre
  • $12 million to build a Rugby League Centre of Excellence in Broadmeadows
  • $20 million to redevelop Ikon Park into the home of women’s football
  • $15 million for the Female Friendly Facilities Fund to boost access for women and girls across Victoria
  • $13 million for Stage 2 of the Moorabbin Oval redevelopment, to enable the Saints AFLW team to play there from 2020
  • $10 million to improve playing conditions at Casey Fields and Whitten Oval for AFLW competition
  • $2 million for infrastructure upgrades for AFLW clubs at Victoria Park
  • $15.4 million to go towards upgrades at Albert Park, Yarra Bend and other key suburban sporting precincts
  • $17.7 million for the Significant Sporting Events Program, which will fund more than 75 national and international sporting events every year – more than half of them in regional Victoria.
  • $60 million for community sporting grants and $5 million for Community Sports Infrastructure Loans, which will unlock up to $100 million to upgrade local facilities.
 

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Its not along with, its inclusive. And its not just AFL grounds or major stadiums. Theres a decent amount of money in their for hockey and rugby league too.
Lost me, not along with? The $500mil is not just just AFL footy, quite right.
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the GF deal is the vehicle for the MCC to upgrade the MCG.
 

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yeah thats definitely the way I would see it going. If they can get a WA/Geelong type stadium deal - and they should - that would be ideal.
1. Is Geelong the best home deal in the AFL? Ballarat ($300,000+ for Footscray?, 11,000 crowd), or Giants Stadium?

2. Assume Tasmania starts c. 2025, & the Tas. govt offers York Park (5 games) & Bellerive (6 games) at peppercorn rentals, all played during the day.
Both stadia are expanded, averaging 25,000 per game at the 11 games, with more corporate boxes (similar no. of persons in boxes, combined between the two stadia, to Geelong).
Also, Tasmania will have two stadium deals similar to Geelong's, re its ticketing advantages, signage & catering/beverage rights etc.
What would be the likely the net profits (including naming Rights for the more prestigious, & more AFL- used 2 Stadia), after 11 games, for the Tas. team?

3. If a Tas. team enters, it will create 11 extra games pa, probably played on weekends.
Assume all 11 extra new time slots required (average 35,000) are played at Docklands (which the AFL now owns; superb public transport access, big inner city workforce & population) on Thursday nights Prime Time.
What net profits (from all areas, including ticketing, Medallion Club, corporate boxes, signage, catering, beverages, parking etc- but not broadcast rights) would the AFL make for each Thursday night game?
And increased naming Rights pa, due to 11 more games being played?

Assume the next broadcast $ deal has the same ratings/metrics/appeal to broadcasters etc. as the current deal.
What would an extra 11 games at Docklands, on Thursday nights Prime Time, be worth in broadcast rights $ pa to the AFL?

4. Assume the AFL would offer for sale to broadcasters, as a separate package, the block of all 19 (11 + 8 current ) Thursday night games. Is this likely?
Would such a separate package increase the overall value of the Rights (cf not offering a separate Thurs. night package)?

And, if so, a significant increase if several FTA and/or pay TV stations seriously bidded, wanting Thurs. night exclusivity?

5. Do you think having 11 home games pa in Tasmania (many of which would be big Melb. clubs, which rarely played in Tasmania previously) would produce significantly more net economic/tourism benefits, cf the 8 currently occurring?
A very difficult question, but care to provide an estimate of the net economic benefits for Tas. if a Tasmanian team played 11 home games there?

6. Tasmania has a very small economy, cf the rest of Australia, & has underperformed in recent decades. Now, however, it is experiencing a mini-boom in its economy.
Can you, or someone else, open this link please?


The Bid team has publicly state it expects to be able to attract significant private sponsorship, from companies based outside of Tas., for the 19th Tas. team.
Assuming this is correct, how important do you believe this current economic growth will be for the AFL, when it considers whether to admit Tasmania as the 19th team?


7. IIRC, Tas. has the highest % of its population who have moved from their original state to another state. I can't recall the total no., & my current searches have not revealed it. I read recently that c. 1500 Tasmanians, above the historical average, left Tasmania for the mainland recently (but Tas. still had net growth from mainlanders). I can't recall the source. Do you know what this approx. total no. might be?
Do you think many of these original Tasmanians, now living on the mainland, who did not usually attend AFL games, might decide to do so when Tas. played in their new state?
 
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1. Is Geelong the best home deal in the AFL? Ballarat or Giants Stadium?

2. Assume Tasmania starts c. 2025, & the Tas. govt offers York Park (5 games) & Bellerive (6 games) at peppercorn rentals; games are all played during the day, at renovated stadia, averaging 25,000 per game at the 11 games; more corporate boxes (1000 extra persons in the boxes at each stadium) are added when the renovations are completed; & Tasmania has a stadium deal similar to Geelong's- ticketing advantages, full corporate boxes, signage & catering/beverage rights etc.
What would be the likely the net profits, after 11 games, for the Tas. team?

If a Tas. team enters, it will create 11 extra games pa. Assume all 11 extra are played at Docklands (which the AFL now owns; superb public transport access, big inner city workforce & population) on Thursday nights Prime Time.
What net profits (from all areas, including Medallion Club, corporate boxes, signage, catering, beverages etc- but not broadcast rights) would the AFL make for each Thursday night game?

Assume the next broadcast $ deal is the same as the current deal.
What would an extra 11 games at Docklands, on Thursday nights Prime Time, be worth to the AFL?

Do you think it would be likely the AFL would offer for sale to broadcasters, as a separate package, the block of all 19 Thursday night games?
Would it be likely that this separate block would significantly increase the value of the Rights (cf not offering a separate sale; & excluding the net addition of the 11 games)?

3. Tasmania has a very small economy, cf the rest of Australia- but is experiencing a mini-boom in its economy.
Can you, or someone else, open this link please?


How important do you believe this economic growth will be for the AFL, when it considers whether to admit Tasmania as the 19th team?

Hard to know the AFL's attitude/approach to this situation.

Are they ambivalent, hostile, positive?

They could outright deny entry. So many pundits think not.

They could give a new team a really ordinary run at things. The AFL control the fixture, drafting 'rules' etc etc.

They could really drive it as being the step towards a 'whole of nation strategy'. Show their community bona fides.

Who knows.

I really doubt the Government would have stuck their name on such a major study, towards getting an AFL team, if they didn't have some positive ideas about the possibility of getting a team
 

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Hard to know the AFL's attitude/approach to this situation.

Are they ambivalent, hostile, positive?

They could outright deny entry. So many pundits think not.

They could give a new team a really ordinary run at things. The AFL control the fixture, drafting 'rules' etc etc.

They could really drive it as being the step towards a 'whole of nation strategy'. Show their community bona fides.

Who knows.

I really doubt the Government would have stuck their name on such a major study, towards getting an AFL team, if they didn't have some positive ideas about the possibility of getting a team
The government stuck their name on many studies in the past and we never got anything out of them.
 

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The government stuck their name on many studies in the past and we never got anything out of them.
Yes you're quite right. Its generally what Governments do to 'kick the can down the road' with issues they don't want to face.

This is different.

Its an very high profile issue, not just here, but right across the footy world. Its really been bubbling along in one way or another for a decade. Its been the subject of quite a bit of media interest here & in Victoria, most particularly this year.

This is footy heartland & has been used, abused & left to effectively rot. The AFL approach to that has been pretty limp & has caused a lot of angst amongst many people.

Everyone knows when the study is to be finished. Its run by some high profile & well credentialed individuals. They won't be wasting their time if its not a legit effort to arrive at a pretty conclusive finding. The AFL will then (I assume) have to give a decision to the State & footy world at some stage, one way or 'tother.

The decision to be made has major economic & political aspects to it. So we wait.
 

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1. Is Geelong the best home deal in the AFL? Ballarat or Giants Stadium?
No idea..

2. Assume Tasmania starts c. 2025, & the Tas. govt offers York Park (5 games) & Bellerive (6 games) at peppercorn rentals; games are all played during the day, at renovated stadia, averaging 25,000 per game at the 11 games; more corporate boxes (1000 extra persons in the boxes at each stadium) are added when the renovations are completed; & Tasmania has two stadium deals similar to Geelong's: ticketing advantages, similar no. of corporate boxes- combined between the two, signage & catering/beverage rights etc.
What would be the likely the net profits, after 11 games, for the Tas. team?
It'd be hard for a 25K stadium to have the same facilities as Geelong, and near impossible to determine 'profits' from the reports available. Off the top of my head, I seem to recall some Geelong fans claiming Geelong makes about $500K/game, so if you pro-rata that, it's be about $350K/game, or about $4M/year. That's probably a high end estimate though, and I dare say the actual number would be a fair bit lower.

If a Tas. team enters, it will create 11 extra games pa. Assume all 11 extra are played at Docklands (which the AFL now owns; superb public transport access, big inner city workforce & population) on Thursday nights Prime Time.
What net profits (from all areas, including Medallion Club, corporate boxes, signage, catering, beverages etc- but not broadcast rights) would the AFL make for each Thursday night game?
Unlikely. MCG & Docklands are both close to capacity for the number of games they can host without compromising pitch standards. It's one of the reasons the AFL is so keen for Vic clubs to sell games elsewhere (that and feeding interest by providing games to locations that can't support a team themselves).

Assume the next broadcast $ deal has the ratings/metrics/appeal to broadcasters etc. as the current deal.
What would an extra 11 games at Docklands, on Thursday nights Prime Time, be worth to the AFL?

Do you think it would be likely the AFL would offer for sale to broadcasters, as a separate package, the block of all 19 (11 + 8 current ) Thursday night games?
Would it be likely that this separate block would increase the overall value of the Rights (cf not offering a separate Thurs. night sale)?

And, if so, a significant increase if several FTA and/or pay TV stations seriously bidded, wanting Thurs. night exclusivity?
Not all games would be equal value...a 1 game 'game of the week' deal would get a LOT more than 1/9th the total. A 10th game would get less than the 9th, which would be worth less than the 7th, etc etc etc.

3. Do you think having 11 home games pa in Tasmania (many of which would be big Melb. clubs, which rarely played in Tasmania previously) would produce significantly more net economic/tourism benefits, cf the 8 currently occurring?
A very difficult question, but care to provide an estimate of the net economic benefits for Tas. if a Tasmanian team played 11 home games there?
I think best case would be that it'd make around 11/8 times as much. There would be ups and downs though...Having teams travel there less often would have the fans of those teams more likely to travel, as would having some of the bigger clubs go there, but on the other side, a local team would mean more locals and thus fewer seats for tourists. (Hobart council, and their fellow sponsors pretty much stopped Richmond playing there as the away team against North because the game attracted too many locals and thus fewer tourists, which suggests the economic value was noticeably less).

4. Tasmania has a very small economy, cf the rest of Australia, & has underperformed in recent decades. Now, however, it is experiencing a mini-boom in its economy.
Can you, or someone else, open this link please?


The Bid team has publicly state it expects to be able to attract significant private sponsorship, from companies based outside of Tas., for the 19th Tas. team.
Assuming this is correct, how important do you believe this current economic growth will be for the AFL, when it considers whether to admit Tasmania as the 19th team?

The 'boom' has them up to around the middle rank of states for growth...and that is helped by the post mining boom slump in some states. Suffice to say, it's not that big a deal.

Major sponsors from outside the state are definitely possible, but the 2nd and 3rd tier types would mostly need to be local.

5. IIRC, Tas. has the highest % of its population who have moved from their original state to another state. I can't recall the no., & my searches have not revealed it. Do you know what this approx. no. might be?
Do you think many of these original Tasmanians, now living on the mainland, who did not usually attend AFL games, might decide to do so when Tas. played in their new state?
Expats, who didn't go before, going now...

The additional numbers, if any, wouldn't be huge...A few hundred perhaps? Maybe a thousand or two extra tickets sold over the entire year?
 

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It'd be hard for a 25K stadium to have the same facilities[?] as Geelong,[IMO, both Bellarive & YP should be updated to 28,000 min., combined corporate boxes = Geelong]and near impossible to determine 'profits' from the reports available. Off the top of my head, I seem to recall some Geelong fans claiming Geelong makes about $500K/game[?], so if you pro-rata[Disagree- KP is 34,000] that, it's be about $350K/game,[No] or about $4M/year.[No] That's probably a high end estimate though, and I dare say the actual number would be a fair bit lower.[No]
MCG & Docklands are both close to capacity [?]for the number of games they can host without compromising pitch standards. [Source?]
I think best case would be that it'd make around 11/8 times[Disagree, more] as much. There would be ups and downs though...Having teams travel there less often would have the fans of those teams more likely to travel [Yes= MUCH more $]as would having some of the bigger clubs [Yes =MUCH more $]go there, but on the other side, a local team would mean more locals and thus fewer seats for tourists. [Pre match day, prioritise min. no. of seats for tourists- if unfilled, 15 minutes pre-game time, locals offered these]
As the AFL now owns Docklands, do you agree that the AFL would desire to play the maximum no. of games there?
In the VAFA & elsewhere, there are some ovals which have 60 +AF games played per year (ie Sat. & Sun.)- & they have surfaces almost like bowling greens. Why would Docklands (which does not, also, have training) be any different?

Irrespective of whether the 11 extra games are played at Docklands, how much extra would the broadcast Rights $ be, if these 11 extra games were played on Thursday evenings Prime Time? Assume parity with the last deal.

How much would Bellarive & YP (which would become more prestigious/higher profile, with more AFL games in front of much bigger crowds) be likely to procure for naming rights?
(Wealthy American GWS fans have personally bought the Showgrounds naming rights, calling it "Giants Stadium", for $2,500,000 pa)

Re the AFL selling the 19 Thurs. evening games as a separate package, do you think the AFL is likely to do this?
Irrespective of your view, how much extra would this add to the Rights (cf selling all games in 1 package) if it occurred?

How many, approx., Tasmanian-born expats. do you think live on the mainland? And how many children (jnr & adult), approx., might these expats have also living on the mainland?
IMO, MANY more would attend Tas. AFL games on the mainland than the few hundred you suggest.
(I saw recently that c. 1500 Tasmanians left Tasmania last year for the mainland- more mainlanders entered;& it was an above average exit. I cant recall where I saw this)

In his 2016 book (which is particularly relevant for the economics & "culture" of a regional AFL club, like Tasmania) "The Fall and Rise of Geelong", author James Button said that (pre 2016 figures, when Kardinia park had a capacity of c.34,000)
"...Geelong keeps 90 cents in every dollar spent at home games... Geelong makes $1 million from a Geelong home game...". (No specific capacity nos. mentioned relating to these profit amounts).


(See Chapter 2- then go to 8th page)


Wiki states
Re Kardinia Park "In May 2009...a number of Melbourne-based Clubs were approached...playing home games at the ground. The ground could see Clubs earning $30 per patron at Skilled Stadium, compared to $7 at Etihad...".
 
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Need say 80% of capacity to be a problem & that'd be a good problem to have?

Critics will be quick to demand instant success & it would be interesting to growth projections.
As stated, filling the ground with locals seems to be a problem for Hobart council...

The reason for this would be that the economic activity is a lot greater with tourists (hotel rooms, restaurants, other tourist destinations all benefit).
 

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As the AFL now owns Docklands, do you agree that the AFL would desire to play the maximum no. of games there?
In the VAFA & elsewhere, there are some ovals which have 60 +AF games played per year (ie Sat. & Sun.)- & they have surfaces almost like bowling greens. Why would Docklands (which does not, also, have training) be any different?
The quality of the surface is expected to be higher at AFL grounds, and there have already been issues with the surface at Docklands.

Irrespective of whether the 11 extra games are played at Docklands, how much extra would the broadcast Rights $ be, if these 11 extra games were played on Thursday evenings Prime Time? Assume parity with the last deal.
If that timeslot was such a bonanza, they'd be playing then every week already. As it is, they don't because the fixture doesn't work with the extra day (short breaks, AFLPA gets upset, etc) and clearly Ch7 isn't willing to fork out enough to convince them to do it anyway.

How much would Bellarive & YP (which would become more prestigious/higher profile, with more AFL games in front of much bigger crowds) be likely to procure for naming rights?
(Wealthy American GWS fans have personally bought the Showgrounds naming rights, calling it "Giants Stadium", for $2,500,000 pa)
Source? They paid $2.5M per year, with zero advertising benefit??? That seems...fortunate. (and unlikely to be repeated often).

Re the AFL selling the 19 Thurs. evening games as a separate package, do you think the AFL is likely to do this?
Irrespective of your view, how much extra would this add to the Rights (cf selling all games in 1 package) if it occurred?
No, they wouldn't sell it seperately. My point was that not all games are equal, and the 1st game each weekend is worth MUCH more than the 9th (and even more so than the 10th would be) when the broadcasters work out what they'd pay for the package. I merely used the idea of selling them separately to demonstrate that.

How many, approx., Tasmanian-born expats. do you think live on the mainland? And how many children (jnr & adult), approx., might these expats have also living on the mainland?
IMO, MANY more would attend Tas. AFL games on the mainland than the few hundred you suggest.
(I saw recently that c. 1500 Tasmanians left Tasmania last year for the mainland- more mainlanders entered;& it was an above average exit. I cant recall where I saw this)
Your question (an the relevant point) is how many would go WHO DON'T GO NOW, ie how many EXTRA bums on seats would it lead to. I would say that most Tasmanians expats who are interested in football probably attend other games already, and therefore wouldn't be ADDITIONAL.

In his 2016 book (which is particularly relevant for the economics & "culture" of a regional AFL club, like Tasmania) "The Fall and Rise of Geelong", author James Button said that (pre 2016 figures, when Kardinia park had a capacity of c.34,000)
"...Geelong keeps 90 cents in every dollar spent at home games... Geelong makes $1 million from a Geelong home game...". (No specific capacity nos. mentioned relating to these profit amounts).
Google has capacity at 36K...the pro rata was a rough number, and it wasn't THAT far off, especially given any expansion to the Tas grounds is hypothetical.

As for the finances...$1M per game is clearly bullshit. Go look at Geelong's financial report...To claim they're making $1M a game from the 9 games they play there, would require some major erm...'financial flexibility' with the figures.

Even if every cent of membership, seat sales, merch & sponsorship was earned from that ground (clearly untrue, but just for demonstration), then after deducting related expenses (commercial operations..AKA costs of that revenue, depreciation and finance on the ground, facilities costs), they made about $6M 'profit'...So that's what $650K/game, even by that extraordinarily generous interpretation. Suffice to say, the real figure would clearly be far less. After all, to even get to this figure, you have to say that the 73,000 people who saw Geelong host Hawthorn at the MCG provided no revenue at all (not no profit, no revenue), and sponsors like the jumper sponsor only pay for those 9 games and gets the rest free.
 

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As stated, filling the ground with locals seems to be a problem for Hobart council...

The reason for this would be that the economic activity is a lot greater with tourists (hotel rooms, restaurants, other tourist destinations all benefit).
The ground is in Clarence city council's area. So they wouldn't care where the patrons come from.

Anyway, Intrastate tourism will add quite a deal of patrons, as it did when Hawthorn started in Launceston. People went for the weekend.

Hobart currently has a shortage of accommodation. However a lot more rooms will come on line over the next few years to cater for the current shortfall.

The airport itself is being constantly upgraded as all tourism is expected to grow, with or without an AFL team.
 

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As stated, filling the ground with locals seems to be a problem for Hobart council...

The reason for this would be that the economic activity is a lot greater with tourists (hotel rooms, restaurants, other tourist destinations all benefit).
If you get only 80% of capacity is that really a problem?
Obviously if tourists have trouble getting a seat (think Subi), seating needs to be fixed as the WA Tourism body ensured happened at Optus Stadium.
All manageable very easily. Its a plus IMHO.
 

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Those questioning whether Tassie could sustain a team financially need to look beyond the state’s population. There are plenty of Tasmanian’s on the mainland who would be happy to take out a membership even if it means they would not be able to attend a game.

I know people from all states are parochial but Tasmanian’s are net level, particularly when it comes to sport and and many won’t hesitate to make financial contributions to the club to help it stay strong.

On the name though I question whether Basketball Tasmania has some degree of ownership over the “Devils” moniker and this another option will need to be considered. Give n the agricultural background I’m a fan of the Tasmanian Harvesters bit that’s a bit out there.

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I agree completely. I work with a fella from Tassie (he lives there as we're all FIFO). He's a mad Tiger supporter but said he'd buy a family membership so he, his misso and two young lads could go as a family when he's back home.

He's raising his boys as Tiger fans, but he said he'd be legit happy if his boys ended up supporting a Tasmanian side over the Tigers. He's very proud and passionate about his state and would back the team 100 percent.
 

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The ground is in Clarence city council's area. So they wouldn't care where the patrons come from.

Anyway, Intrastate tourism will add quite a deal of patrons, as it did when Hawthorn started in Launceston. People went for the weekend.

Hobart currently has a shortage of accommodation. However a lot more rooms will come on line over the next few years to cater for the current shortfall.

The airport itself is being constantly upgraded as all tourism is expected to grow, with or without an AFL team.
I got this from the report from Hobart Council about the economic impact of their investment. (I've referenced and linked to it several times). They are one of the main investors aren't they?

They can have a million hotels rooms (etc), but if people from interstate can't get tickets for the game, they wont come for the game.
 
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If you get only 80% of capacity is that really a problem?
Obviously if tourists have trouble getting a seat (think Subi), seating needs to be fixed as the WA Tourism body ensured happened at Optus Stadium.
All manageable very easily. Its a plus IMHO.
No, if it's only 80% it's not...but For North v Richmond, it was selling out.
Reserving seats could work, but that could run into issues with the political aspects (pork barreling/vote buying) of their governments paying for these games.
 

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3. If a Tas. team enters, it will create 11 extra games pa. Assume all 11 extra games (average 35,000) are played at Docklands (which the AFL now owns; superb public transport access, big inner city workforce & population) on Thursday nights Prime Time.
What net profits (from all areas, including ticketing, Medallion Club, corporate boxes, signage, catering, beverages, parking etc- but not broadcast rights) would the AFL make for each Thursday night game?
And increased naming Rights pa, due to 11 more games being played?
The 11 extra games would be just the 11 Tas home games in Tas. No extra games anywhere else.
 

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I've said before, if 18 year olds don't want to live on the Gold Coast, they are hardly going to prefer Hobart.
Even if you are allowed to keep every Tasmanian, up to 30 players extra players will be needed.
That's a lot.
Not saying impossible, but a huge challenge.
ps personally, I'd like to see a Tassie team, and I like Hobart and Lonnie
Sorry for the late reply. But I'll edit for accuracy

if 18 year olds don't want to live on play for the Gold Coast.

Given the attractions of the Gold Coast I think you'd find it difficult for an 18 yo male who'd be averse to living there. Playing for the GC given the media attention for being a basket case club, well that's entirely different.

To be honest I think you'd find it difficult to find an 18 yo budding footballer giving two s**** about where they live - they just want a chance at an AFL career.
 

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Sorry for the late reply. But I'll edit for accuracy

if 18 year olds don't want to live on play for the Gold Coast.

Given the attractions of the Gold Coast I think you'd find it difficult for an 18 yo male who'd be averse to living there. Playing for the GC given the media attention for being a basket case club, well that's entirely different.

To be honest I think you'd find it difficult to find an 18 yo budding footballer giving two s**** about where they live - they just want a chance at an AFL career.
Plenty of 18 to 23 year olds do care where they live.
Over the decades, they have shown a low propensity for wanting to live in Tassie.
A new Tassie team will need at least 30 footballers to move to Tassie, many of them will be aged 18 - 23.
I simply say, that will present the new team with a challenge.
 

Carringbush2010

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Plenty of 18 to 23 year olds do care where they live.
Over the decades, they have shown a low propensity for wanting to live in Tassie.
A new Tassie team will need at least 30 footballers to move to Tassie, many of them will be aged 18 - 23.
I simply say, that will present the new team with a challenge.
Squad numbers maybe but not retention of young aspiring footballers who want to play at the top level.
 

Engimal v3

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Plenty of 18 to 23 year olds do care where they live.
Over the decades, they have shown a low propensity for wanting to live in Tassie.
A new Tassie team will need at least 30 footballers to move to Tassie, many of them will be aged 18 - 23.
I simply say, that will present the new team with a challenge.
The primary driver for that age bracket leaving Tasmania is work-related [2014 survey]. 45% of respondents responded that they wished to return to Tasmania when the opportunity arises.

Additionally, this study shows that 84% still consider themselves to have a strong connection to the state, with ~70% describing themselves as Tasmanian before their current state/country of residence, including even the label of Australian. I think that bodes pretty well for Tasmanians supporting their team from interstate.

As a Tasmanian expat myself you definitely find that there is a much higher level of "patriotism" amongst us than expats from other states.
 

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