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What hillside are you thinking could be developed?
Also its close to the CBD if you forget the river in between.
Excluding the major, modern grandstand, there are ample areas around the ground that could be redeveloped into large stands. The Tas. govt. may have to permanently close part of the adjoining road, & legally acquire, compulsorily the adjoining houses (at fair, Sworn Value prices). On match days, make more nearby streets "Bus Parking Only".

Bellerive is a good stadium, with a current capacity (according to Wikipedia) of 19,500. Fans should not expect to be able to drive to AFL matches (crowds c. 28,000, hopefully) with fan parking within a short walk. The bus system already goes to Bellerive, & ferries go to the Bellerive wharf- why not simply add more buses on game days (as was the practice with VFL Park, at Waverley, which worked very well- no trains or trams went there).

As Bellerive is now such a large, good stadium close to the Hobart CBD, do you, AND also the majority of Tasmanians (including those in the north), agree

1. taxpayers should pay c. $320,000,000 for a new, 28,000 stadium at MP? (This does not include infrastructure, bus terminals/roads etc.- cost?)
Would the AFL, after abandoning Bellerive, be happy if the FFA (Tas. govt. wants its good stadium used, so made a great offer!) put an A League team there?

2. many $ millions need to be expended on Tas. elite GR AF, elite U18 (join NAB League) & adult State comp. (join VFL), to rebuild them/raise standards (due to the long carpetbagging & neglect by the VFL/AFL of Tasmania AF)?

3. spending many $ millions (over decades), on the necessity to raise standards of GR & elite Tas. AF, is a much more EFFICIENT/effective plan to promote the long term interests of Tas. AF- cf. spending c. $320,000,000 (+ infrastructure) on a new stadium at Macquarie Point, used for SIX AFL games pa?

4. there is now, probably, no single Tas. based private sponsor in Tas. who would be willing to provide the major, annual funding for the Tas. 19th team?
And at least $40,000,000 (in 2019 $) annual revenues pa are required for a reasonably competitive Tas. 19th AFL team?

5. significant public funding is likely to be required for the 19th Tas. team, on a long term basis? And "taxpayer $ waste might cause future political problems?

6. if the AFL receives c. $320,000,000+ public funding for a new Tas. stadium (& elite AF funding), many other Tas./other states' NON-AF sports are also entitled to request/demand similar public funding? And such funding, if granted to other sports, may be against the medium & long term interests of AF & the AFL?

7. fans should expect that they can drive to capital city AFL games (with crowds c. 28,000), park, & have a short walk (under 20 minutes) to the ground?

8. the "low cost" Bellarive stadium (cf a 28,000 capacity, $320,000,000 new stadium), after it has an additional 10,000 capacity new stand, is far more likely to be profitable, & be able to offer the maximum no. of cheap ($20-$25) adult tickets?

And, if a big majority of tickets in Hobart & Launny H & A matches are cheap, this will maximise AFL attendances and/or attract close to full houses, at both?

And that the atmosphere regularly playing in heaving, packed, 28,000 Tas. stadia is likely to be a plus for the Tas. AFL team retaining its out-of-contract players? Ditto out of contract players at other clubs- they would regard it as a plus, so more likely to transfer to Tas.?

And that the "optics" & prestige of Tas. AF will be enhanced, around Aust., if its Tas. AFL matches regularly attract full houses (encouraged by cheap ticket prices)?
 
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. there is now, probably, no single private sponsor in Tas. who would be willing to provide the major, annual funding for the Tas. 19th team?

This is one point I keep seeing brought up. Collingwood is sponsored by an airline from the UAE, North is sponsored by a Japanese car company, Adelaide sponsored by another Japanese car company, and so on. Why is it that Tasmania needs a major local sponsor rather than what every other club does?
 

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This is one point I keep seeing brought up. Collingwood is sponsored by an airline from the UAE, North is sponsored by a Japanese car company, Adelaide sponsored by another Japanese car company, and so on. Why is it that Tasmania needs a major local sponsor rather than what every other club does?

When they pushed the issue when GWS was given a licence, the 'Tassie team' actually had a major sponsor then. It wasn't Tasmanian, It was Australian, It wasn't even from Earth. It was Mars. (Sorry!! Hahaha!!)
 
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Really? Here's me thinking Mars was simply the God of war!

Actually, just thinking about the recent promise of $150mil for the mission to Mars from ScoMo. maybe Tassie should look for a sponsorship from NASA!!

Now that sponsorship would definitely be 'Out of this world'. !!! ;)

'tish. boom. I'm here all week peeps. :)
 
This is one point I keep seeing brought up. Collingwood is sponsored by an airline from the UAE, North is sponsored by a Japanese car company, Adelaide sponsored by another Japanese car company, and so on. Why is it that Tasmania needs a major local sponsor rather than what every other club does?

Major sponsors, yes. They'll be national (or global). They hand over their money in return for advertising....Jumpers, shorts, etc. So for the most part it doesn't matter where they are.

Clubs make big money from second/third/forth tier sponsors & coterie though (quite possibly more money), and generally speaking, they ARE local. Their motivation tends to be more about networking, opportunities for entertaining clients, etc. So being able to get to games matters (as do things like corporate boxes and entertainment facilities). That's where the size and vibrancy of the local economy (and the features of the ground) comes in.
 
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The number pledged has just ticked past 35,000, so over two thirds there. Over the last couple of weeks the number has been increasing by over 1,000 daily. If this rate continues, the target will be reached in about 14-15 days.

 
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Major sponsors, yes. They'll be national (or global). They hand over their money in return for advertising....Jumpers, shorts, etc. So for the most part it doesn't matter where they are.

Clubs make big money from second/third/forth tier sponsors & coterie though (quite possibly more money), and generally speaking, they ARE local. Their motivation tends to be more about networking, opportunities for entertaining clients, etc. So being able to get to games matters (as do things like corporate boxes and entertainment facilities). That's where the size and vibrancy of the local economy (and the features of the ground) comes in.

Yes they do. It probably means more to clubs like Geelong who have the sole rights to Pussy Park. Meanwhile the MCG & AFL make most of such corporates etc than the participating clubs.

That's why Hawthorn & North are so happy FIFO of Tasmania. Low costs & exclusive rights.
 
Yes they do. It probably means more to clubs like Geelong who have the sole rights to Pussy Park. Meanwhile the MCG & AFL make most of such corporates etc than the participating clubs.

That's why Hawthorn & North are so happy FIFO of Tasmania. Low costs & exclusive rights.

You might want to rethink that comparison....

"pussy park" is almost twice the size of either Tas ground (and ~50% bigger than any proposed redevelopment) and has major corporate facilities (the wiki page lists 800 corporate spots in the 2007 redevelopment, and a 1000 seat function area in 2017 and a couple of other references on top of those). Do either Tas ground have anything similar?

It's also right in the middle of Geelong, and has Melbourne just up the road (where they play a number of games, allowing the second tier sponsors access there too).

Might be also worth noting that when you consider their long period of success, Geelong's financial state isn't actually that good.

As for Hawthorn & North...Would they still consider it so lucrative if they weren't being paid millions to pay there? (something that wouldn't apply to a Tas team).
 
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You might want to rethink that comparison....

As for Hawthorn & North...Would they still consider it so lucrative if they weren't being paid millions to pay there? (something that wouldn't apply to a Tas team).

The justification for the FIFO clubs was always about the economics & tourism.

A proper TasTeam will fulfil that goal much more effectively for Tas. Thus your assumption "wouldn't apply to a Tas team" is patently wrong.
 

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The justification for the FIFO clubs was always about the economics & tourism.

A proper TasTeam will fulfil that goal much more effectively for Tas. Thus your assumption "wouldn't apply to a Tas team" is patently wrong.

You may well be agreeing. It is certainly why it is incumbent on the tas / commonwealth governments to come to the party to make a Tas team a goer
 
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Yes they do. It probably means more to clubs like Geelong who have the sole rights to Pussy Park. Meanwhile the MCG & AFL make most of such corporates etc than the participating clubs.

That's why Hawthorn & North are so happy FIFO of Tasmania. Low costs & exclusive rights.

I think it's more because they actually get paid to play there, as well as being able to collect match day revenue.

For a local club to get the same return, they'd need the same government funding and an agreement that basically gifts them the stadium. Which isn't out of the realms of possibility, but it's obviously subject to the whims of the government of the day.
 

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I think it's more because they actually get paid to play there, as well as being able to collect match day revenue.

For a local club to get the same return, they'd need the same government funding and an agreement that basically gifts them the stadium. Which isn't out of the realms of possibility, but it's obviously subject to the whims of the government of the day.

Certainly true, but as said it would be like the FIFO arrangements, part of the States Tourism push.

The FIFO arrangements were in effect bipartisan political policy. Yes footy has been used for political purposes, but not to get rid of it.

Given the added social advantages of having our own team of increased community benefit of equity & unity, the argument against is not likely to sway either party. They always have to much mentioned economic benefit as well.

WA3 & Tas1. ;)
 
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OK, so the ABC news story went for some minutes, showed historical footy footage as well as current grassroots footage. It featured a task force spokesman insisting the new club will be financially sustainable. Also featured past Tassie players Alistair Lynch and (Lions coach) Chris Fagan speaking in support, as well as commentator Tim Lane. However it also showed the Mayor of Burnie speaking against the bid, saying Tasmania is too small to support an AFL club. Is this enough for him to be voted out of office next election? The story didn't mention the pledge.
 
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Excluding the major, modern grandstand, there are ample areas around the ground that could be redeveloped into large stands. The Tas. govt. may have to permanently close part of the adjoining road, & legally acquire, compulsorily the adjoining houses (at fair, Sworn Value prices).

Bellerive is a good stadium, with a current capacity (according to Wikipedia) of 19,500. Fans should not expect to be able to drive to AFL matches (crowds c. 28,000, hopefully) with fan parking within a short walk. The bus system already goes to Bellerive, & ferries go to the Bellerive wharf- why not simply add more buses on game days (as was the practice with VFL Park, at Waverley, which worked very well- no trains or trams went there).

As Bellerive is now such a large, good stadium close to the Hobart CBD, do you, AND also the majority of Tasmanians (including those in the north), agree

1. taxpayers should pay c. $320,000,000 for a new, 28,000 stadium at MP? (This does not include infrastructure, bus terminals/roads etc.- cost?)
Would the AFL, after abandoning Bellerive, be happy if the FFA (Tas. govt. wants its good stadium used, so made a great offer!) put an A League team there?

2. many $ millions need to be expended on Tas. elite GR AF, elite U18 (join NAB League) & adult State comp. (join VFL), to rebuild them/raise standards (due to the long carpetbagging & neglect by the VFL/AFL of Tasmania AF)?

3. spending many $ millions (over decades), on the necessity to raise standards of GR & elite Tas. AF, is a much more EFFICIENT/effective plan to promote the long term interests of Tas. AF- cf. spending c. $320,000,000 (+ infrastructure) on a new stadium at Macquarie Point, used for SIX AFL games pa?

4. there is now, probably, no single Tas. based private sponsor in Tas. who would be willing to provide the major, annual funding for the Tas. 19th team?
And at least $40,000,000 (in 2019 $) annual revenues pa are required for a reasonably competitive Tas. 19th AFL team?

5. significant public funding is likely to be required for the 19th Tas. team, on a long term basis? And "taxpayer $ waste might cause future political problems?

6. if the AFL receives c. $320,000,000+ public funding for a new Tas. stadium (& elite AF funding), many other Tas./other states' NON-AF sports are also entitled to request/demand similar public funding? And such funding, if granted to other sports, may be against the medium & long term interests of AF & the AFL?

7. fans should expect that they can drive to capital city AFL games (with crowds c. 28,000), park, & have a short walk (under 20 minutes) to the ground?

8. the "low cost" Bellarive stadium (cf a 28,000 capacity, $320,000,000 new stadium), after it has an additional 10,000 capacity new stand, is far more likely to be profitable, & be able to offer the maximum no. of cheap ($20-$25) adult tickets?

And, if a big majority of tickets in Hobart & Launny H & A matches are cheap, this will maximise AFL attendances and/or attract close to full houses, at both?

And that the atmosphere regularly playing in heaving, packed, 28,000 Tas. stadia is likely to be a plus for the Tas. AFL team retaining its out-of-contract players? Ditto out of contract players at other clubs- they would regard it as a plus, so more likely to transfer to Tas.?

And that the "optics" & prestige of Tas. AF will be enhanced, around Aust., if its Tas. AFL matches regularly attract full houses (encouraged by cheap ticket prices)?
The ground is set in narrow suburban side streets. Minimal parking anywhere near and hard to get buses in an out. Would not be possible to get 28k in an out. You can’t walk from the city centre. To increase to 28 you would need to demolish half the stadium. It is not a goer.
If there is now money for the right stadium in hobart, the best option would be to give York Park a minor expansion/upgrade, keep Bellerive as it is until funds become available.
 
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Pretty Bellerive stadium is very close to the CBD, & has the whole eastern, hill side that could be developed into a very large stand.
It is puzzling that some say there is insufficient room to build a further, large stand (if part of the street needs to be reclaimed/forcible house requisition, so be it); or that it is difficult to get to.

(then click on the right hand side -"SEE PHOTOS" Blundstone Arena- for 40+ excellent photos of the stadium & its outside surrounds)

Hobart, pop. 240,000, is not a country town- don't expect to simply drive there to an AFL stadium, with a short walk.

Even though the Fed. LNP govt. may agree to fund Tas. AFL stadia infrastructure (which, in a game-changer for an imminent Tas. 19th team, the Fed. LNP has this week indicated willingness), I doubt they would fund the whole cost ie $360,000,000 for a 30,000 stadium. It would only be used for c. 6 AFL games pa (does BBL require more than the current c.20,000 capacity?)

The Fed. govt. hasn't fully funded the new, rectangular 25,000 Townsville NRL stadium. Qld. govt. $140,000,000, Fed. govt. $100,000,000; & local Council paid for the infrastructure & provided all the land, free. Townsville pop. is c. 192,000 in June 2019. Interestingly (for the Macquarie Point proponents), however, it was also heavily promoted as a waterfront rejuvenation project.

I think it's more because they actually get paid to play there, as well as being able to collect match day revenue.

For a local club to get the same return, they'd need the same government funding and an agreement that basically gifts them the stadium. Which isn't out of the realms of possibility, but it's obviously subject to the whims of the government of the day.
im not sure how it would work with a new stadium but Bellerive and utas stadium are both government owned when we put in the bid for the license that went to gws a part of the bid was we would have had the two best stadium deals in the league buy an absolute mile it was that good we would have literally been making profits of crowds of 2-3 thousand let alone what would have been made of crowds of 15-20 thousand plus they also already had a major international sponsor in mars signed the pr from demetrio and the afl at the time about it not being viable was complete garbage
 
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im not sure how it would work with a new stadium but Bellerive and utas stadium are both government owned when we put in the bid for the license that went to gws a part of the bid was we would have had the two best stadium deals in the league buy an absolute mile it was that good we would have literally been making profits of crowds of 2-3 thousand let alone what would have been made of crowds of 15-20 thousand plus they also already had a major international sponsor in mars signed the pr from demetrio and the afl at the time about it not being viable was complete garbage

You would expect the stadium deals to be good, both grounds would be comfortably the worst in the league. Out of regular AFL venues anyway.
 
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im not sure how it would work with a new stadium but Bellerive and utas stadium are both government owned when we put in the bid for the license that went to gws a part of the bid was we would have had the two best stadium deals in the league buy an absolute mile it was that good we would have literally been making profits of crowds of 2-3 thousand let alone what would have been made of crowds of 15-20 thousand plus they also already had a major international sponsor in mars signed the pr from demetrio and the afl at the time about it not being viable was complete garbage

Quite true.

Its more the case that they treated Tasmania, as the VFL did, as a cabbage patch. Their lack of care & attention over the journey has basically fkt fpootball here & the development of players & the game in general.

Just lately, Demetriou is all for Tasmania applying. That was because his new 'boss' Larry Kesselman is looking at a $200mill development plan, including an NBL licence, for Hobart/Tasmania.

It just shows how partisan & petty Demetriou is. Just a sycophant when it come to money & attention.
 
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You would expect the stadium deals to be good, both grounds would be comfortably the worst in the league. Out of regular AFL venues anyway.
I agree utas stadium needs work as a lot of the seating is very temporary like but the ground surface itself is a great size and has been consistently one of the best surfaces in the comp there’s also heaps of vacant land around the ground for expansion and parking and only a 5 minute walk to Launceston cbd Bellerive is in a bad location but the stadium facilities itself are fine half the stadium is only 4 years old the other stand about 10 years replace the grass hill with a stand and it would be a great stadium in a bad location but not sure how you comment with out having been there on side note the worst ground I have ever been to to watch footy was Subiaco you guys were still playing there a couple years ago short memory!
 
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