Tasmania Congratulations on Tassie License. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5

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Tasmania - Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5 (Part 2)

Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/congratulations-on-tassie-license-mens-team-to-enter-2028-womens-team-tba-other-details-tba-3-5.1226653/ Was going to draft up a Summary but this is pretty good...

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[Mr Taswegian]

The business case for a tasmanian AFL team will be delivered to the state government by the second week of December,although the details will not be released to the public until the new year.

 

[madmug]

The business case for a tasmanian AFL team will be delivered to the state government by the second week of December,although the details will not be released to the public until the new year.

Probably be half redacted as 'in confidence'.

Must be due for the Wilkinsons point/NBL decision about then too.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Probably be half redacted as 'in confidence'.

Must be due for the Wilkinsons point/NBL decision about then too.

The nbl chief is due to meet with the premier tomorrow,hopefully a decision not too far away,if we don't have a decision by years end we have to wait another year before entry.

 

[madmug]

The nbl chief is due to meet with the premier tomorrow,hopefully a decision not too far away,if we don't have a decision by years end we have to wait another year before entry.

I think its now or never, for both sports.

The NBL is easier as it combines the commercial development complex at Wilkinsons point. The DEC desperately needs an upgrade anyway so, to most of us, it makes good sense to do the deal & get the NBL team, a redeveloped DEC & the $200mil associated development with it.

The AFL is a bit different. Its the overall economics on both sides, plus the AFL's own footy politics.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

I think its now or never, for both sports.

The NBL is easier as it combines the commercial development complex at Wilkinsons point. The DEC desperately needs an upgrade anyway so, to most of us, it makes good sense to do the deal & get the NBL team, a redeveloped DEC & the $200mil associated development with it.

The AFL is a bit different. Its the overall economics on both sides, plus the AFL's own footy politics.

The Tasmanian government have said because of the amount of money required,they may need some money from the federal government,if this happens it will hold everything up,because the federal gov won't give money easily.

 

[madmug]

The Tasmanian government have said because of the amount of money required,they may need some money from the federal government,if this happens it will hold everything up,because the federal gov won't give money easily.

They gave a heap ($100mil)to Townsville for their new stadium, NQS. Townsville is a marginal seat.

That sort of money wouldn't be 'wasted' in a place like Hobart which has an independent & a labourite in the two seats concerned. Launceston's seat is marginal LNP so its 'in the race'.

Sounds Cynical I know, but its a fact.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. No Tasmanian was drafted in the 2019 main Draft. These are snapshots of the AFL incompetence & neglect that have led to the decline of GR AF in Tasmania- & its dysfunctional elite pathways.

"A Tasmanian AFL team in the boys' backyard would be the ultimate circuit-breaker"

Another thin AFL draft for the Apple Isle. Where is all the Tasmanian talent?

This is the second year in the past four Tasmania failed to have a player picked through the national AFL draft. While it's easy to blame the league headquarters, the game just doesn't appeal to young Tasmanian men like it once did, writes Chris Rowbottom.

www.abc.net.au

2. In 2016, The Age E. Quayle, an expert on players in the the elite U18 National Championships, said

"...in Tasmania that while kids in the northern states are benefiting from the heavily resourced, (AFL!)club-based Academy (my emphases) programs, theirs have been neglected and are falling behind at pace".

Quayle also wrote re the views of A. Sanders, the Tas. State Academy coach
"...the gap is widening because his boys have access to LESS of most things the northern kids now get: FULL TIME coaching staff, long term development programs, other resources, games together and the insight to AFL players' (my emphases) lives that the (nthn.) Academy players get such a good glimpse of".
(It is very rare that AFL Tasmania officials will publicly admit any direct or implied criticism of the AFL/its systems, re Tasmania).

AFL draft: Where are all the Tasmanian prospects?

Not one Tasmanian player has been picked to play in the combined Allies side at this month's national under-18 championships.

www.theage.com.au

It should be noted that AFL draft nos. declined from ACT/NSW in the decade prior to 2012, even though there were generic AF Academies there- but when the Acadmies were rebranded to GWS Giants & Sydney Swans (including their colours) with stronger links to the AFL Clubs, the Academy & Draft nos. began to rise significantly.
Stronger AFL team "emotional & tribal" connections with the GR will always bear fruit- ditto Tasmanian team.


3.

Tasmanian footy's fight for survival

It's no secret that Tasmanian AFL is battling. Fewer boys are playing the game and clubs are folding. Can the code come back from the brink?

www.abc.net.au

4. The Age S. McClure 21.11

Other MSM writers are saying it is very likely G. Mc Lachlan will depart the AFL at the end of 2020. Mc Clure wrote

"Brendon Gale, who is the favourite for the role of AFL boss when Gill Mc Lachlan moves on...Gale is seen as the overwhelming front runner to replace Mc Lachlan".

As Gale has indicated he supports a 19th team being established in Tasmania, if he becomes AFL CEO, the Tasmanian Bid will be considerably enhanced.

Industry moves may help decide McLachlan successor

GWS have promoted from within in replacing outgoing football boss Wayne Campbell in what could be the first in a series of moves among high-profile administrators across the industry.

www.theage.com.au

 

[madmug]

No Tasmanian was drafted in the 2019 Draft. These are snapshots of the AFL incompetence that has led to the decline of GR AF in Tasmania- & its dysfunctional elite pathways.
If Tasmania had its own AFL team, & proper elite pathways were established, Tasmanian players would have the same "encouragement" & opportunities as other states.

Another thin AFL draft for the Apple Isle. Where is all the Tasmanian talent?

This is the second year in the past four Tasmania failed to have a player picked through the national AFL draft. While it's easy to blame the league headquarters, the game just doesn't appeal to young Tasmanian men like it once did, writes Chris Rowbottom.

www.abc.net.au

In 2016, E. Quayle, an expert on players in the the elite U18 National Championships, said

"...in Tasmania that while kids in the northern states are benefiting from the heavily resourced, club-based Academy (my emphases) programs, theirs have been neglected and are falling behind at pace".

AFL draft: Where are all the Tasmanian prospects?

Not one Tasmanian player has been picked to play in the combined Allies side at this month's national under-18 championships.

www.theage.com.au

Tasmanian footy's fight for survival

It's no secret that Tasmanian AFL is battling. Fewer boys are playing the game and clubs are folding. Can the code come back from the brink?

www.abc.net.au

About 3 years ago I remember the Tassie u18's played the Swans academy here in Hobart. It was noted that the NSW boys had coaches with more AFL experience & a bigger budget than Tasmania's entire football pathway, including the State league.

What hope?

 

[BringBackTorps]

ON 25.10, outgoing NRL Chairman P. Beattie was quoted in The Australian as in favour of the NRL expanding to 17 teams after 2023, with a 2nd team being added in Brisbane.
Ditto new NRL Chairman P. V'Landys who was quoted by P. Badel in the Courier Mail 30.11. Badel wrote, re the NRL '"While mindful of the AFL threat in Queensland...", it wants to ensure that Qld. remains strong in State Of Origin (only 15% of NRL players are eligible for Qld.).

Whilst a 17th NRL team in Queensland is not relevant as to whether the AFL decides Tasmania should enter the AFL as the 19th team, it is interesting that both comps. are currently considering if it's feasible & "desirable" to expand with an odd no. of teams.

Play Nice - 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

1. The Australian B.Read 25.10 Outgoing NRL Chairman P. Beattie favours a 2nd team in Brisbane, & for the NRL to become a 17 team comp. only, possibly c. 2023...

www.bigfooty.com

(see post #1751)

 

[Mr Taswegian]

ON 25.10, outgoing NRL Chairman P. Beattie was quoted in The Australian as in favour of the NRL expanding to 17 teams after 2023, with a 2nd team being added in Brisbane.
Ditto new NRL Chairman P. V'Landys who was quoted by P. Badel in the Courier Mail 30.11. Badel wrote, re the NRL '"While mindful of the AFL threat in Queensland...", it wants to ensure that Qld. remains strong in State Of Origin (only 15% of NRL players are eligible for Qld.).

Whilst a 17th NRL team in Queensland is not relevant as to whether the AFL decides Tasmania should enter the AFL as the 19th team, it is interesting that both comps. are currently considering it feasible & "desirable" to expand with an odd no. of teams.

Play Nice - 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

1. The Australian B.Read 25.10 Outgoing NRL Chairman P. Beattie favours a 2nd team in Brisbane, & for the NRL to become a 17 team comp. only, possibly c. 2023...

www.bigfooty.com

(see post #1751)

I'm not sure whether the AFL are considering adding another team,only time will tell on that one,but they have made no annoucement on that yet.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Haggers from a Perth sports radio station has indicated that a team in Tasmania will soon to be announced and the season will have less rounds.I wonder if this is true or is it just an assumption,he definitly sounded certain that the AFL are soon to announce a team in Tassie,only time will tell.

 

[Rob]

Haggers from a Perth sports radio station has indicated that a team in Tasmania will soon to be announced and the season will have less rounds.I wonder if this is true or is it just an assumption,he definitly sounded certain that the AFL are soon to announce a team in Tassie,only time will tell.

I hope he's right, but Hagdorn is usually about as reliable as a Lada with its engine missing. So I wouldn't pop the champagne corks just yet.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Haggers from a Perth sports radio station has indicated that a team in Tasmania will soon to be announced and the season will have less rounds.I wonder if this is true or is it just an assumption,he definitly sounded certain that the AFL are soon to announce a team in Tassie,only time will tell.

how many less rounds? was he talking 18 (play everyone once, one team has a bye each week), because that would be a fair whack on afl revenues.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

how many less rounds? was he talking 18 (play everyone once, one team has a bye each week), because that would be a fair whack on afl revenues.

He said 17 rounds,which will obviously be a good whack on AFL revenues,so that's why I find it hard to believe.

 

[Billy ray]

I thought he said 18 rounds (everyone once) plus maybe a return round for your derbies showdowns etc

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There's no way in hell the AFL or clubs would agree to that many fewer games.

 

[madmug]

There's no way in hell the AFL or clubs would agree to that many fewer games.

I'm not sure why clubs would worry about less games.

However no way in hell would the AFL want less games. They make a heap from media rights. That pays the corporate suits at AFL house.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'm not sure why clubs would worry about less games.

Gameday receipts. If you're paying your players the same and getting fewer total paying customers, that's a recipe for lower profits.

 

[telsor]

Massive taxes?

TasAFL get something around $2mil. With at least 50k AFL members at say at a basic $100 each, that's about $5mil minimum to start with going the other way.

I see the club finances with the bottom few getting some large amounts to keep them afloat.

So apart from what we see in the club finances, what are these 'gains; from being in a larger market that Tassie wouldn't? Please explain.

I think it more likely Victoria has gained a lot out of the current set up. Certainly a massive amount more pro rata than Tasmania ever has.

Massive taxes....stadium deals that put money in the pocket of the AFL rather than the clubs. e.g. Roughly 50% of MCG revenue that goes to 'football' goes to the AFL, and given the clubs seem eager to play there rather than Docklands, that's probably worse.

I'd call that a fairly substantial AFL tax paid (only) by Vic (mostly Melbourne) based clubs.


The gains from being in a larger market (with more clubs) are usually referred to as economies of scale. Some costs can be shared. They also gain from additional crowds from the 'away' team being local.

 

[telsor]

I'm going to enjoy seeing Telsor absolutely spewing when the Tassie side enters the competition - followed by the inevitable decades of carping about why it should never have happened.

No, I'll be laughing at all of you trying to justify the awful financial reports and your efforts to explain that even though you wanted other clubs killed off for poor finances.

Mind you...I do admire your collective optimism about "when the Tassie side enters" considering you're currently pinning your hopes on applying for a provisional licence that hasn't been offered in the first place. You guys must have some really powerful kool aid. If I apply for a provisional position as Scarlett Johansson's boyfriend, can I also be that confident that it'll happen soon?

You guys seem to continually forget that, just as I would need to convince Ms Johannsson, any Tas bid would need to convince the AFL that it is not only good for THEM (a detail oft ignored here) but the best possible option for them. (and they're unlikely to be swayed by all the emotive crap that is 90% of the 'arguments' here).

 

[madmug]

Massive taxes....stadium deals that put money in the pocket of the AFL rather than the clubs. e.g. Roughly 50% of MCG revenue that goes to 'football' goes to the AFL, and given the clubs seem eager to play there rather than Docklands, that's probably worse.

I'd call that a fairly substantial AFL tax paid (only) by Vic (mostly Melbourne) based clubs.


The gains from being in a larger market (with more clubs) are usually referred to as economies of scale. Some costs can be shared. They also gain from additional crowds from the 'away' team being local.

The money in the AFL pocket that keeps some old established clubs afloat you mean.

Again, the economies of scale seem not to apply to some Melbourne clubs.

 

[Ando727]

No, I'll be laughing at all of you trying to justify the awful financial reports and your efforts to explain that even though you wanted other clubs killed off for poor finances.

Mind you...I do admire your collective optimism about "when the Tassie side enters" considering you're currently pinning your hopes on applying for a provisional licence that hasn't been offered in the first place. You guys must have some really powerful kool aid. If I apply for a provisional position as Scarlett Johansson's boyfriend, can I also be that confident that it'll happen soon?

You guys seem to continually forget that, just as I would need to convince Ms Johannsson, any Tas bid would need to convince the AFL that it is not only good for THEM (a detail oft ignored here) but the best possible option for them. (and they're unlikely to be swayed by all the emotive crap that is 90% of the 'arguments' here).

Sorry, I got in first, you lose.

 

[Kwality]

Gameday receipts. If you're paying your players the same and getting fewer total paying customers, that's a recipe for lower profits.

Profits? Have a look at the 2019 financials.

 

[Kwality]

Massive taxes....stadium deals that put money in the pocket of the AFL rather than the clubs. e.g. Roughly 50% of MCG revenue that goes to 'football' goes to the AFL, and given the clubs seem eager to play there rather than Docklands, that's probably worse.

I'd call that a fairly substantial AFL tax paid (only) by Vic (mostly Melbourne) based clubs.


The gains from being in a larger market (with more clubs) are usually referred to as economies of scale. Some costs can be shared. They also gain from additional crowds from the 'away' team being local.

That old chestnut, a market where supply exceeds demand .....cocked up stadium deals, thats not a tax ..
the MCC & AFL side by side at the trough.

 

[Billy ray]

There's no way in hell the AFL or clubs would agree to that many fewer games.

Could a 19 round season (ie 27 less games) be offset in a media rights sense by 19 thursday night games?
and perhaps additional friday night final for what they call a wildcard game?