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AFL Rules can only be leveled against AFL players and officials[I agree]
Show me an instance -ANY instance - of the AFL Commission leveling a "bringing the game into disrepute" charge against anyone outside[?] the actual Australian football league.[I never said this] Thats one of your worst arguments yet.[The AFL's "Bringing The Game Into Disrepute" Rules, which apply to AFLClub Officials & Players, are evidence the AFL Clubs have a strong moral {& in some circumstances, legal} responsibility to promote the game, & not hurt GR AF.
Also, AFL & Club Officials often state that poor AFL player behaviour can "flow-on" to GR levels -and is given as a major reason to eradicate it eg touching Umpires, unduly rough tackles etc. This is further evidence that AFL Clubs have a strong moral responsibility to promote the game, & not hurt GR AF].
Dont even know WHEN he said this or the context. Dont really care. He's dead. The game and the AFL are a world away from where they were when he was coaching.[Alan Jeans made these type of comment numerous times during his coaching career. The context was often about the "Big Picture", protecting the long term interests of AF, & having a good Club culture. Tom Hafey was also very strong publicly on promoting the game, & not hurting the GR].
[Alan Jeans made these type of comment numerous times during his coaching career. The context was often about the "Big Picture", protecting the long term interests of AF, & having a good Club culture. Tom Hafey was also very strong publicly on promoting the game, & not hurting the GR].
Virtually everyone would agree that direct VFL/AFL telecasts into Tasmania (whist they do not have their own AFL team) have hurt the elite Tas. comps, & their GR.
Tasmania's population has increased from c. 430,000 to 520,000 since 1988. Why is it unique to Tas. that GR AF male participation is collapsing, whilst soccer and basketball are growing strongly?
What's the alternative - amateur clubs just competing all over the state?Why does there have to be a state comp? This is a fairly recent invention anyway - for the better part of a century Tasmania got by without one.
What's the alternative - amateur clubs just competing all over the state?
I'll give you one fact, Gil admitted the AFL had 'dropped the ball' in relation to Tasmanian football. If you have a problem with his own admission, then you give him a call & tell him you know all the facts.
Virtually everyone would agree that direct VFL/AFL telecasts into Tasmania (since they do not have their own AFL team) have hurt the elite Tas. comps, & their GR.
Tasmania's population has increased from c. 430,000 to 520,000 since 1988. Why is it unique to Tas. that GR AF male participation is collapsing, whilst soccer and basketball are growing strongly?
VFL/AFL Clubs have failed in their moral responsiblility to promote the game, & not hurt GR AF.
Firstly, have you anything to backup your claim.......
......I look forward to you producing evidence
What's the alternative - amateur clubs just competing all over the state?
Don't hold your breath.
I will answer your question to"back up my claim".Firstly, have you anything to backup your claim that "GR AF male participation is 'collapsing' "?
For a long time they had 3 regional comps. (broadly speaking) Hobart, Launceston and the NE, and the NW.
The original state comp was basically the Hobart league expanding to take in teams from the rest. Notably, this was against the advise of the very report they commissioned on how to do it which wanted to drop some Hobart teams and essentially form a 'new' comp....In many ways, it's not dissimilar to the VFL expansion, which makes the 'holier than though' proclamations about how the AFL should drop Vic teams to make way for a Tas team all the more ludicrous.
I will answer your question to"back up my claim".
But first, however, I will ask you to answer the specific questions I put to you in post #489 here yesterday.
Do you think they are wrong? What do you know that they dont?
Do you agree a disaster has befallen Tas. AF?
Do you accept that GR soccer & basketball have had strong growth in Tas.?
Do you accept that GR cricket is growing in Tas.? And that the BBL Hurricanes have been a great popular & commercial success?
Do you think that RFC (& other Clubs) has a strong moral responsibilty to assist GR Tas. AF?
You are talking about the first 'TSL' which started in 1986 & ended in 2000. It started with 6 Southern, & 2 Northern clubs. Then added 1 north & 2 NWC clubs. That league went through about 14 different clubs between 1986 & 2000 & ended up with 6 teams in 2000. AFLTas had made the league unsustainable with constant change & operational costs mounting, blamed the clubs & started the VFL Devils. Then back to 'TSL2' 1n 2009 after they'd buggered that up the VFL team. This current TSL2 league started with NWC 2 clubs, North 3 & South 5 clubs. AFLTas stuffed up South Launceston into Western Storm then Prospect Hawks, which was a 'plastic franchise' & collapsed. So that left us with 2 NWC, 2 North & 5 South clubs until this year we have 2 North & 5 South clubs. A total dogs breakfast. The league was never structured properly & not financed to do the job AFLTas expected of it.
The latest 'Gil's back to the future 2' plan, does nothing to address the problem here & now.
So please explain to the readers the similarity to the VFL expansion?
And explain to the readers what are you complaining about being holier than though?
Wow, before AFLTas existed, it was still destroying Tas football.
This conspiracy theory of yours transcends time and space.
If anything did it, then it was Tas football that destroyed Tas football. That is why the AFL had to step in and bail you out...repeatedly...after all.
So in answer to your post, you'll just forget that you were wrong. You confused the Tasmanian state leagues development & changes. They are not like the VFL take over of the game at the national level. Your 'holier than thou' jibe was ignorant & misplaced.
People will understand you're just arguing for the point of arguing. You're really not interested in a footy discussion
So you ignore you mistake & just move onto something we've covered ad nauseam.
Yeah, VFL expanded to take over the rest of the country.
TANFL expands to take over the rest of the state.
No similarity there at all.
Its that level of responsibility that is under fire now.
If the AFL had the same level of responsibility as the NFC, Tasmanian football wouldnt get a red cent and no one would fund any development and everything would still need VFL approval. We'd still have Origin and the Teal Cup though. Maybe. There was no national development program - Auskick grew out of a program based solely in Victoria until the 90s.
TASMANIA’S push for an AFL team has gone to a new level with a Bill Shorten-elected Labor government committing $25 million to a licence.
The Mercury can reveal Mr Shorten will on Saturday make the pledge, which is contingent on the AFL granting a licence for a men’s and women’s team.
It means should the AFL finally grant the state a licence, Tasmania will have $25 million in the kitty to start with.
Mr Shorten said it sends a strong message to the AFL and called on the Liberal Government to back his pledge.
“It is about time Australian political parties got behind the Australian game, it is Australia’s great athletic convention but it is scrambling in one of its key foundation states,” he said.
“We are sending a message to the AFL money is not going to be the reason it doesn’t happen.
“Ultimately the decision of AFL club licences is rightly the decision for the AFL, but I’d like to build up local football so it is a genuine feeder system for an AFL club, not just a league that is harvested by the mainland clubs.”
The funding will be used to get the team up and running and will be used for better facilities, upgrading grounds and player development.
Mr Shorten has also promised $1 million to Tasmania’s VFL and TAC Cup teams that were announced by AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan in Hobart on Tuesday. Mr Shorten on Thursday promised an additional $5 million to a Save Tassie Football fund for grassroots clubs and leagues.
He said he had been speaking regularly with Tasmanians who had raised concerns over the state of the game.
The Mercury revealed on Tuesday male participation had slumped 14.7 per cent from 2006 to 2017, including a fall of 22 per cent in the 13-to-18-year-old age group.
“Because I used to be a union rep organising in northern Tassie, I talk to a lot of blokes who play footy in the various comps and they like the idea of a Tasmanian [AFL] team but they also know we’ve got to help build the ecosystem of footy in Tassie,” he said.
“Sometimes you wonder whether the mainlanders are as interested in this question as Tasmania but Tasmania has given a lot to the game, from ‘Doc’ [Darrel] Baldock, Peter Hudson through to ‘Richo’ [Matthew Richardson], Alastair Lynch, Jack Riewoldt.
“You couldn’t imagine an Australian rules national competition without a contribution from Tasmania could you?”
FEDERAL Labor will establish a $5 million Save Tassie Football fund if it wins government to support the sport at a grassroots level while the push for a state team in the AFL continues.
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the money would go to country and suburban football clubs over five years to upgrade facilities, buy guernseys and support the volunteers that kept clubs running.
“Tasmania is one of the foundation states of football in Australia. While the big debate about Tasmania having its own team in the AFL will continue the future of Tasmanian football is in its grassroot clubs,” Mr Shorten said in Burnie.
“I love the idea of a Tasmanian team in the AFL competition but until that happens we need to support local clubs to keep young people playing the game.
“The base of community football is crumbling. It’s time to get kids away from their screens, pull on some boots and have a go.”
“Tasmania has already proven it can grow great AFL talent, but it is widely recognised that more investment is needed to provide pathway for aspiring AFL and AFLW talent.”
Mr Shorten said Labor welcomed many of the AFL Tasmania Football Steering Committee findings — particularly the need to get participation rates up to parity for youth and senior teams.
He said Tasmania’s North-West would be a particular focus of his football fighting fund.
Mr Shorten said he would work with the AFL, AFL Tasmania and state and local government to fund projects including the construction of modern and female-friendly change rooms, improving the quality of playing surfaces, and the purchase of new training equipment and facilities.
“The goal of bringing an AFL club to Tassie needs strong community football foundations before it can become a reality,” he said.
“With women’s football going from strength to strength, supporting female players in Tasmania is particularly important for the sport’s growth in the state and will be a focus of the funding.
The funding promise follows Labor’s existing $350,000 commitment towards modernising the West Park Sports Facility.
Braddon Labor candidate Justine Keay said her electorate had a long and proud footy tradition, producing players like Ben Brown, Grant Birchall and Matthew “Richo” Richardson.
“Local footy is such an important part of our communities. It’s vital we make investments in grassroots footy so the game continues to grow in Tasmania,” Ms Keay said.
PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has personally lobbied footy boss Gillon McLachlan for a Tasmanian team in the AFL.
The two spoke about the crisis in Tasmanian football when they attended Saturday night’s Essendon-Richmond Dreamtime at the ’G clash.
Mr Turnbull is understood to have told Mr McLachlan that while he acknowledged it was ultimately a decision for the AFL, he wanted to make it known he was personally supportive of having Tasmania having its own team.
The Prime Minister asked that he be kept updated on future developments.
A spokesman for the Prime Minister confirmed the meeting but would not discuss the contents of the conversation.
However, he said Mr Turnbull remained “enthusiastic and hopeful Tasmania is granted a team”.
Mr McLachlan is understood to have responded to the PM’s request by providing an update of the work of his steering committee into Tassie footy.
Last week, Mr McLachlan said it was important to fix community football and put in place effective talent pathways for junior and elite male and female players before a Tassie team could be considered.
When Mr Turnbull was in Tasmania last month he expressed his personal hope that there be a team representing the state in the AFL.
“It’s part of Tasmania’s way of life,” Mr Turnbull said at the time.
“You couldn’t imagine the AFL without the contribution of Tasmania or Tasmanians, so I hope there is a Tasmanian AFL team — but it’s going to be a matter for the AFL.”
Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten last week endorsed a push for an AFL team based here by Tasmania’s four state Labor MPs in the federal Lower House.
The AFL did not comment.
This could be the best thing to happen to Tassie footy in a long time and hopefully lead to a Tasmanian AFL team down the track.