TAS Tassie... happening?

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If they’re

Well run

Professional

Successful (I don’t mean winning the flag every year, but being in contention often etc etc)

Then they’ll retain players.

Players don’t leave good environments at a high rate.
So its not the temperature, the beers, nor the Latte's that make the difference then.

So its about the footy culture then.

Who'd've thunk that!!! ;)
 

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GC beach weather doesn't seem to do it either. Lots of sand, pubs & clubs too. Whats your take on that? Canberra is frigid in winter but has NRL & RU teams, doing well at the moment. Dis they recruit polar bears?

GWS play there too so the Canberra cold can't be much of a problem. Penrith in Sydney gets plenty of minus temperatures in winter but guys live there, play & don't end up with hypothermia every week.

I've been to Geelong a number of times. Stayed with friends for a while at one stage. Seen a few games. Some played in rain, one in torrential rain & yes it gets cold too. Geelong is a great town. People like living their. It wouldn't be dissimilar to Hobart in some respects. , not cafe's, clubs & pubs surely?

Surely the attraction is that of being a professional sportsman. Unlike some places, we have a strong footy culture. Does that make a difference? I think it must. Do you?

Please tell me what specifically does Melbourne have? More night clubs, more pubs, more Cafes? How many is good enough? How many pubs do players want? Maybe ask Daisy Thomas.;)

Melbourne is a big city & growing, as is Sydney. They get the bulk of immigrants. Growth stimulates economic activity & that encourages more growth. The problem being the crowding & commuting which is the bane of both places. Has that translated into bigger clubs in Melbourne? Some maybe. But others have lagged behind & struggle without massive handouts. Looking at the history of attendances one can see the crowds of some clubs don't appear to have not kept pace with the growth of Melbournes population. So what's their future? Bigger handouts? Force immigrants to games?

Anyway the recent efforts here to start the push for entry to the AFL has some well qualified business people. Headed by a guy who co founder Virgin blue.

Hopefully dumping Hawthorn & North can happen & we get some equity in our football. The thing we can't beat is the politics of the AFL & its Viccentric focus. Historically that was the effect of the VFL on Tasmania. It was take take take. This place, like Vic Country was just seen as a cabbage patch. But they've been drained & left to rack & ruin.

The recent push for u18 & VFL teams is just a return to what they tried near 20 years ago & failed. Not from lack of support. It was from lack of direction from the AFL. They made it, They fkt it.

So much for the care of the game.
I hear what you're saying, but in amongst that whole post you didn't actually address the question. If you can't work out "specifically" what is more appealing about living in Melbourne than Launceston than there's probably no point having a conversation about it, it's all pretty obvious.
Am i saying EVERY single player would prefer Melbourne, Sydney, Perth over Tassie? No I'm not, but there is a reason these places are densely populated and thats becomes a majority of the population likes living in big cities.
As for Geelong, Penrith ect, I think Hobart is a way better place, but they are also only an hour drive from the 2 biggest cities in the country.
 

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So its not the temperature, the beers, nor the Latte's that make the difference then.

So its about the footy culture then.

Who'd've thunk that!!! ;)
They’d lose players like all clubs. But would they lose all players? No. Players choose Brisbane and Adelaide over Melbourne and Sydney. Hell even GWS has a good record of recruiting mature players and they’re out in the middle of nowhere. Deledio and the like jumped on board because they thought they’d have a shot at a flag.
 

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I hear what you're saying, but in amongst that whole post you didn't actually address the question. If you can't work out "specifically" what is more appealing about living in Melbourne than Launceston than there's probably no point having a conversation about it, it's all pretty obvious.
Am i saying EVERY single player would prefer Melbourne, Sydney, Perth over Tassie? No I'm not, but there is a reason these places are densely populated and thats becomes a majority of the population likes living in big cities.
As for Geelong, Penrith ect, I think Hobart is a way better place, but they are also only an hour drive from the 2 biggest cities in the country.
It’s not that people “like living in big cities”, it’s mostly about jobs.
 

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It’s not that people “like living in big cities”, it’s mostly about jobs.
Yeh of course, but a lot of people also love it. Have quite a few mates that have moved from Brisbane to Melbourne because Melbourne has a lot more going on. I'd love a team to work in Tassie, but I can definitely understand the reseervations about it too.
 

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Tassie will be just fine, provided they're given at least a few years of an academy similar to the Northern academies. A few years of Tassie boys playing U18, VFL and then AFL in Tassie and they'll never want to leave. Plenty of established talent to attract back too. And a culture of players staying inspires more to stay.

Really I think it just comes down to whether the AFL wants it to happen. They're not poor and they have easily enough money to help out a Tassie team should they struggle. First thing that has to go is the government deals though. No incentive to change if the AFL is getting plenty of money for doing very little.
 

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Looking at the history of attendances one can see the crowds of some clubs don't appear to have not kept pace with the growth of Melbournes population. So what's their future? Bigger handouts? Force immigrants to games?
Pretty sure all the minnows have been considering this for decades and been marketing at the high growth areas, like North in Werribee and Melbourne in Cranbourne. We'll see if it works, St Kilda have been marketing in Frankston for decades and they're still minnows.
 

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Really I think it just comes down to whether the AFL wants it to happen. They're not poor and they have easily enough money to help out a Tassie team should they struggle. First thing that has to go is the government deals though. No incentive to change if the AFL is getting plenty of money for doing very little.
The AFL is a non-profit organisation. So why does EVERY decision they make need to be about revenue? Even to the point where there is no integrity left as a sporting competition. It honestly wouldn't kill the AFL would it?
 

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Call me cynical, but had Tassie scored an A league team the AFL would be moving mountains to get one going already
No, the AFL only care that Tassie has been a cabbage patch for players, money & memberships.

Few here care about A-league. Who else in Australia cares? Crowds everywhere else are ordinary. Its a 4th rate competition. Soccer heads know that.
 

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Tasmania has zero soccer heritage anyway, they didn't even have a team in the old NSL. The A-League can't afford to move to an area that has never had an interest in the game. The AFL can afford to move to an area that has a huge interest in the game.
 

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Tasmania has zero soccer heritage anyway, they didn't even have a team in the old NSL. The A-League can't afford to move to an area that has never had an interest in the game. The AFL can afford to move to an area that has a huge interest in the game.
Beg to differ. Tasmania's soccer heritage is wound up in the migrant intake we've had. Just like the rest of the country. South Hobart dates back to 1910 in the local competition. Many clubs started after WW2. The Polish White Eagles, Croatia, Olympia, Juventus. All the old European names, like most places. Its all about relativity.Soccer is big for kids & poor at the top level.
 

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Soccer is big for kids & poor at the top level.
It's always been like this, even in Victoria when I was a kid.

The local soccer league had a ton more kids playing in it than the junior footy comp; but it was effectively a feeder for the more adolescent footy comp.

Once the kids started to mature and their parents wernt as worried about injuries, they either switched codes or stopped playing sports altogether.
 

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Beg to differ. Tasmania's soccer heritage is wound up in the migrant intake we've had. Just like the rest of the country. South Hobart dates back to 1910 in the local competition. Many clubs started after WW2. The Polish White Eagles, Croatia, Olympia, Juventus. All the old European names, like most places. Its all about relativity.Soccer is big for kids & poor at the top level.
How many of those clubs besides South still exist?
 

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Every NFL team represents 1-4 Victorias.
Garbage the New England Patriots are essentially Boston's team and Boston has a population of 700,000. Green Bay Wisconsin has a population of less than 200,000 and are nearly the highest attended team in the competition. Buffalo population under 300,000 need I go on. San Francisco is only around 900,00 and Oakland is under 500,000 and at the moment both have teams and are right next to each other granted Oakland will be moving to Las Vegas soon. I could go on but you get my point. Please don't post lies as facts.
 

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Garbage the New England Patriots are essentially Boston's team and Boston has a population of 700,000. Green Bay Wisconsin has a population of less than 200,000 and are nearly the highest attended team in the competition. Buffalo population under 300,000 need I go on. San Francisco is only around 900,00 and Oakland is under 500,000 and at the moment both have teams and are right next to each other granted Oakland will be moving to Las Vegas soon. I could go on but you get my point. Please don't post lies as facts.
Green Bay Packers are Victoria if it had one AFL team and played in Bendigo. Rest, you need to look at metropolitan areas not bloody council boundaries.
 

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Green Bay Packers are Victoria if it had one AFL team and played in Bendigo. Rest, you need to look at metropolitan areas not bloody council boundaries.
How far are people travelling. US cities aren't as big as you think my old man always calls it the country of a thousand Geelongs. I have been to Boston I promise you it's a small city.
 

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How far are people travelling. US cities aren't as big as you think my old man always calls it the country of a thousand Geelongs. I have been to Boston I promise you it's a small city.
There's 4 million people in greater Boston, their version of a metropolitan area, or Sydney Metro which has around 5 million.

Boston is small for the yanks. For us it's a major city.
 

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Pretty sure all the minnows have been considering this for decades and been marketing at the high growth areas, like North in Werribee and Melbourne in Cranbourne. We'll see if it works, St Kilda have been marketing in Frankston for decades and they're still minnows.
We know that doesn't work when it gets down to it. None of them play games in these areas. Local businesses having a club sticker on the window doesn't turn people. With everybody* playing in two stadiums, Melbourne kids are indoctrinated by their family or go for whoever's good in their formative years.

*except Geelong
 
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Boston metro area is roughly equivalent to Sydney in size. 11,700 vs 12,400 square km. 4.6m vs 5.2m.

Boston combined statistical area (27,000 square km) is home to 8m people which is basically extending Sydney to Gosford and Wollongong and incorporating the entire population of NSW.
 

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There is no way in hell that all NFL clubs except Green Bay cover supporter bases of 1 to 4 Victoria's New England which we are arguing about is a bigger market than Buffalo and Oakland for example. The comment was wrong it's not factual. Also I would say Boston is a pretty large city by U.S standards. It's the 21st largest city in the country and is not the smallest that hosts an NFL side. Detroit for example is the 23rd largest city and Nashville is the 24th both host NFL teams. Buffalo which is home to an NFL team is 81st and I have driven that part of the states there's nothing else around Buffalo to increase the crowd size. The statement that NFL teams are there to cover supporter bases of 1-4 Victoria's is laughable even 1 is not correct.
 

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Garbage the New England Patriots are essentially Boston's team and Boston has a population of 700,000. Green Bay Wisconsin has a population of less than 200,000 and are nearly the highest attended team in the competition. Buffalo population under 300,000 need I go on. San Francisco is only around 900,00 and Oakland is under 500,000 and at the moment both have teams and are right next to each other granted Oakland will be moving to Las Vegas soon. I could go on but you get my point. Please don't post lies as facts.
And the population of the city of melbourne is 135k.
Greater Melbourne about 5milyun

Boston 700k
Greater Boston about 5milyun
 
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