TAS Tassie... happening?

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Garbage the New England Patriots are essentially Boston's team and Boston has a population of 700,000.
Ok, no that's simply not true. The US counts their cities populations differently than what Australians do. To crudly translate it, they count their local councils whereas Australia counts greater metropolitan areas.

If Boston was in Australia it would be said to have a population of about 5 million people. If Melbourne was in the US it would be said to have a population of about 140,000.

Don't underestimate how big the US is.
 

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Has that translated into bigger clubs in Melbourne? Some maybe. But others have lagged behind & struggle without massive handouts. Looking at the history of attendances one can see the crowds of some clubs don't appear to have not kept pace with the growth of Melbournes population. So what's their future? Bigger handouts? Force immigrants to games?
Whilst I agree with the rest of your post as far as the bolded goes then on face value that would make them a liability not a viability right?

If that is the case then why are these clubs not merged or culled? Probably because the lowest member base of any vic club is approx 40k and you could arguably thrice that for non member paying supporters right? In which case HQ aren't going to merge 240k of cull 120k of revenue streaming supporters right?

We all know (I hope) that every club gets funds from HQ right? Some more than others and I think this is where the misnomer comes from, that clubs that are not corporate level financial are in "desperate financial trouble, let's cull em. They're a drag on the other clubs"

Sure there are a couple of clubs not in profit but it's hardly tens of millions which is besides the point anyway. The point is HQ ain't gonna just snub their nose at these numbers so these clubs are still viable after all.
 

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Some like to use the emotive word cull. Their surely their is a difference between state level football & running a national competition.

I note some well established clubs have huge %ages of their budgets reliant on AFL handouts. Its easy to check out. That may be ok for newer & developing clubs, one can & some often debate this. But for 100 year old clubs, that surely is not a good position to be in year after year?.

However draining Tasmania & Vic Country year after years is ok?
 

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Ok, no that's simply not true. The US counts their cities populations differently than what Australians do. To crudly translate it, they count their local councils whereas Australia counts greater metropolitan areas.

If Boston was in Australia it would be said to have a population of about 5 million people. If Melbourne was in the US it would be said to have a population of about 140,000.

Don't underestimate how big the US is.
I have been to the United States three time. I have been to Boston and driven from Boston to New York. I have also been to nashville and there’s no way 1 size of the Victorian population lives close enough to Nissan stadium to be classed as having the supporter base of Victoria. I’m not underestimating the amount of people are being inflated by others who think for example Nashville is a big market it’s not.
 

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I have been to the United States three time. I have been to Boston and driven from Boston to New York. I have also been to nashville and there’s no way 1 size of the Victorian population lives close enough to Nissan stadium to be classed as having the supporter base of Victoria. I’m not underestimating the amount of people are being inflated by others who think for example Nashville is a big market it’s not.
Bit off topic but Nashville metro is about 2 million people. The Titans did play in Memphis, metro of some 1.5 million, which is a 3 hr drive away. Tennessee has near 7 million people & the Titans are privately owned & play in a competition in which each club gets over $250million in TV rights annually.

So any comparison to anywhere in Australia is a waste of time.
 

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The "North/Saints/Dogs are small, now give us our team" argument isn't as compelling as some people think. Certainly hasn't helped bring Tasmanian football a single step closer to getting an AFL license.

But it seems like some good people down there are starting to get serious and imo the league will look favourably on this developing bid, rather than just saying "sorry but your state had 100+ years to build a powerhouse and failed, you must be unworthy".
 

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Call me cynical, but had Tassie scored an A league team the AFL would be moving mountains to get one going already
Or they could just wait until the A league team died in a few years...
 

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The "North/Saints/Dogs are small, now give us our team" argument isn't as compelling as some people think. Certainly hasn't helped bring Tasmanian football a single step closer to getting an AFL license.

But it seems like some good people down there are starting to get serious and imo the league will look favourably on this developing bid, rather than just saying "sorry but your state had 100+ years to build a powerhouse and failed, you must be unworthy".
One got pretty frustrated when the AFL (FitzdickheadPatrick) came up with pure ***** like making a point about the north-south parochialism in Tasmania. They encouraged it by having Hawthorn only play in Launceston & no games in Hobart for some 17 years!!. Infact 'parochialism' is the one thing which would ensure a team gets support. People will band together. People in Melbourne have even been known to go to the boxing day test when no Vics were playing. Wow isn't that amazing!! People here will support their own team.

However, people here get behind state teams of all types, just like everywhere else in the country. Its economics which tell you any team should play in both Utas & Boot park, moreso than any politics.

Sport is supposed to be a unifying force. Its the AFL & State politicians who have used it to divide this place. The Federal election shows that Libs disgraceful use of the AFL bid & Mona museum as some 'southern' plot.

None the less, a business case is being mounted. The AFL clearly dont want it nor care as the have done well bleeding this place dry. It'll be the combination of that committees efforts & the ending of the FIFO arrangements & the public pressure which might encourage the AFL enough to see a TasTeam in the AFL.

Remember the last AFL national poll saw a 79% support for such a team. So the real footy people support it. If that is ever a consideration.
 

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One got pretty frustrated when the AFL (FitzdickheadPatrick) came up with pure ***** like making a point about the north-south parochialism in Tasmania. They encouraged it by having Hawthorn only play in Launceston & no games in Hobart for some 17 years!!. Infact 'parochialism' is the one thing which would ensure a team gets support. People will band together. People in Melbourne have even been known to go to the boxing day test when no Vics were playing. Wow isn't that amazing!! People here will support their own team.

However, people here get behind state teams of all types, just like everywhere else in the country. Its economics which tell you any team should play in both Utas & Boot park, moreso than any politics.

Sport is supposed to be a unifying force. Its the AFL & State politicians who have used it to divide this place. The Federal election shows that Libs disgraceful use of the AFL bid & Mona museum as some 'southern' plot.

None the less, a business case is being mounted. The AFL clearly dont want it nor care as the have done well bleeding this place dry. It'll be the combination of that committees efforts & the ending of the FIFO arrangements & the public pressure which might encourage the AFL enough to see a TasTeam in the AFL.

Remember the last AFL national poll saw a 79% support for such a team. So the real footy people support it. If that is ever a consideration.
Beyond the fixture, the support for Hawthorn in Tassie by the AFL was lukewarm for at least a decade.

On the quiet the hawks also see their influence by promoting clinics etc for Kids in tassie as an investment not only in their future in tassie, but among the many young tasmanian adults who move to victoria for education and work reasons.
 

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I think Tassie should be team 19 no doubt. And we have a bye situation. Big deal.
Each team can then play 18 games against all other teams once (in order such that no double ups until these 18 games are done!), and then play 3 teams twice for a total of 21 games.
 

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Beyond the fixture, the support for Hawthorn in Tassie by the AFL was lukewarm for at least a decade.

On the quiet the hawks also see their influence by promoting clinics etc for Kids in tassie as an investment not only in their future in tassie, but among the many young tasmanian adults who move to victoria for education and work reasons.
Thats very kind of them.

Its called grooming I think. ;)

I never saw them in Hobart except to fly in the Premiership cup & some pissed players for 2hrs to pick up their bonus cheque. Thanks heaps & goodbye.
 

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I think Tassie should be team 19 no doubt. And we have a bye situation. Big deal.
Each team can then play 18 games against all other teams once (in order such that no double ups until these 18 games are done!), and then play 3 teams twice for a total of 21 games.
That would really put pressure on the smaller Vic clubs who cant really live without the big 4 Vic clubs. See the problem?
 

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I have been to the United States three time. I have been to Boston and driven from Boston to New York. I have also been to nashville and there’s no way 1 size of the Victorian population lives close enough to Nissan stadium to be classed as having the supporter base of Victoria. I’m not underestimating the amount of people are being inflated by others who think for example Nashville is a big market it’s not.
Nashville is a small market (still a metro are of 2 million though), but they are a state team (a state of 7 million and most have easy access to Nashville) based on an old franchise (Houston Oilers), so more like the Brisbane Lions than anything else.

As you will also know it is a hugely popular tourist area, which helps boost interest in general as well as bordering football mad states like Alabama and Mississippi that only have college teams.

Actually thinking about it Alabama would be the closest example to Tasmania in all this.
 
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OK then why don't we ask a Tas footy fan who follows a team in the comp now. If Tas had their own team would you follow that new team and would you jump ship from your current team?

Why do you think teams like Ade, Freo and WC all had the majority of sa and wa fans jump on board? Because they love footy and want a representative team, just like the Tas locals do.

You're being naive if you don't think a local Tas team will gain mega traction.
The traction will be strong. You can count me as one of the first who will switch to "first team" status if a Tassie team is announced - and that's coming from somebody who only recently moved here.

It's hard to describe, but being down here feels like it's very removed from Melbourne. I've followed the Dees for 35 years, and I felt my connection with them change when I moved to Tassie. I still love the club, but I rank other things higher now. I will retain a no-game membership with the Dees out of loyalty, but I'll be taking a full membership with the Tassie side, should it eventuate. That's how I can bring footy back into my life in a real and relevant way. I think most Tasmanians will be the same. There will be huge solidarity amongst the locals. I think the traditional support for older clubs will be all but dead within a single generation - I don't think many dads will lean on their children to support the traditional family club. It just makes sense to support the Tassie side you can see once or twice a month, rather than follow dad's club who you may see once a year, or never see at all.

To doubt this reality is to completely misunderstand the culture down here and how much we want our own representation - rather than being honorary Victorians.
 

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Because if they play less games against bigger Vic clubs each year, then their gate over the year will be lower. That surly puts more pressure on their finances.
Same could be said for my team. We have about 8k core fans and anywhere up to 5k casual. Any crowds in excess of that only happen when big vic teams come up. Our largest crowds have all been v the big teams.
 

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Same could be said for my team. We have about 8k core fans and anywhere up to 5k casual. Any crowds in excess of that only happen when big vic teams come up. Our largest crowds have all been v the big teams.
I believe we would double that figure. So 16k-22k as a crowd to see GC, GWS, Port, Freo. I see the grounds being expanded to 30k as they would fill for the Vic clubs.
 

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It won't be long.. it won't be long.. they can't stand the pressure.. they can't find anything to say no.. and they will not want to bellow about
it anymore.. soon... soon...
 

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To doubt this reality is to completely misunderstand the culture down here and how much we want our own representation - rather than being honorary Victorians.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, to those who doubt Tasmanians would get on board with a Tasmanian team you just need to look to Ade, WC and Freo......... to those fans those teams really represent their state and why not I say!

If HQ has any depth of knowledge they'll be smart and create an original franchise not relocate North or GC, no fan of any team or any Tasmanian wants that.
 
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