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Adams is probably our 5th best midfielder, certainly not an elite player and never will be.
His stats tell a different story. Elite, as I understand it, is top 5%, and he's in the top 40 league wide for many of the measures quoted earlier in the thread.

Not sure how you come up with your "5th best midfielder" either, pretty subjective. Adams is in the top 1/2 dozen clearance mids league-wide. Who was a better inside mid for us in 2018?
 

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Adams is probably our 5th best midfielder, certainly not an elite player and never will be.
He was generally considered our best player in the GF and had an excellent final's series. To suggest he is our fifth best midfielder is ignoring both statistics and facts. You are a very harsh judge of his worth as a player.
 

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He was generally considered our best player in the GF and had an excellent final's series. To suggest he is our fifth best midfielder is ignoring both statistics and facts. You are a very harsh judge of his worth as a player.
Could also say how Bad Steele,Treloar and Pendles played in the GF
 

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He was generally considered our best player in the GF and had an excellent final's series. To suggest he is our fifth best midfielder is ignoring both statistics and facts. You are a very harsh judge of his worth as a player.
Beams Pendlebury Treloar Sidebottom.

Which one of those 4 is Adams better than ?
 

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Beams Pendlebury Treloar Sidebottom.

Which one of those 4 is Adams better than ?
They've all got their individual strengths and weaknesses so how do you apportion a ranking. If you were looking purely at 2018 form it's arguably Sidey, Beams, then Adams. If you're looking at form in the GF then it's Adams ahead of all of them. If you're looking at specific performance stats then it'd vary from stat to stat.
 

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They've all got their individual strengths and weaknesses so how do you apportion a ranking. If you were looking purely at 2018 form it's arguably Sidey, Beams, then Adams. If you're looking at form in the GF then it's Adams ahead of all of them. If you're looking at specific performance stats then it'd vary from stat to stat.
Well Pendlebury and Sidebottom finished above Adams in the BnF and Treloar would of too if he didn't have a long term injury. And of course Beams is a better player, so it's not too hard to rank them.
 

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I’m a huge Adams fan, he’s an absolute warrior, but I mean even I think that it’s pretty obvious heading into 2019 that he is fifth on the midfield rankings. My prediction is that he may jump ahead of Beams and Pendlebury this season but that’s just a prediction. Based on 2018, the ranking would be in my opinion:
1. Treloar
2. Sidebottom
3. Beams
4. Pendlebury
5. Adams

Adams is still a star who had a terrific finish to the year, but he has his limitations and his game-winning ability is small compared to those I ranked above him. We have five terrific midfielders - somebody has to be the fifth best.
 

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5th is about right. 4th/5th with Treloar with kicking holding them both back.
As for the GF, Adams was great in so many ways except his trademark half back turnover kick possibly cost us a flag.
As for 2019, Pendlebury might slip to 5th or even lower based on age but he'll be A BLOODY HANDY 5th+ midfielder.

Beams is my Copeland tip.
 
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Nice 5th best but....

Sorry don’t get the lower Pendlebury rankings of some, he’s still clearly our best pure mid. Sidebottom is in contention but pure mid, he ain’t Scott.

Watch Scott live, even if he isn’t as dynamic as you’d think previously, watch him, still powers to position, directs traffic, gets the most attention and his creation is sublime.
The guy is pure leadership through the crunches. Just gets on with the business.

For what it’s worth, Steele is second best as he’s uber elite as a runner and went up a cog in 2018 (likely explanation is team was better).

Beams based on 2018 goes third. He’s a star.

Then Adams pips Treloar mainly because Treloar carried that leg issue but otherwise Treloar by rights moves up a spot. Adams has that big game form too.

Now for 2019 let’s watch bear Sier add that vision and core strength. Going to be some midfield.

Oh (don’t care if you doubt it) if Mr Wells gets fit he’s that missing silk cog to add nightmares to any opposition.

Then just for Duckwood say hello to biatch Greenwood. You’re his!

Grundy!

need we say more... Cox for a helping hand even Moore to assist as required when there’s a bit of fatigue setting in.

Scary!
 

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They've all got their individual strengths and weaknesses so how do you apportion a ranking. If you were looking purely at 2018 form it's arguably Sidey, Beams, then Adams. If you're looking at form in the GF then it's Adams ahead of all of them. If you're looking at specific performance stats then it'd vary from stat to stat.
Here
 

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I’m a huge Adams fan, he’s an absolute warrior, but I mean even I think that it’s pretty obvious heading into 2019 that he is fifth on the midfield rankings. My prediction is that he may jump ahead of Beams and Pendlebury this season but that’s just a prediction. Based on 2018, the ranking would be in my opinion:
1. Treloar
2. Sidebottom
3. Beams
4. Pendlebury
5. Adams

Adams is still a star who had a terrific finish to the year, but he has his limitations and his game-winning ability is small compared to those I ranked above him. We have five terrific midfielders - somebody has to be the fifth best.
Ranking players is such a vexed question. So subjective. There aren't any wrong answers, just comes down to what you rate in a player.

For instance, how do Treloar, Sidey and Pendles go if Adams and Grundy aren't doing the grunt clearance work? What therefore is more important, the clearance, or what happens beyond that?

Pendles has long been widely accepted as our best player let alone midfielder, but even he has challengers now. Not that he was in any way poor in 2018, but the sublime was less common. That's to be expected, part the aging process, part a changing role, part improvement of team mates.
 

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That's not an actual overall ranking though, he just said "if you only look at this, it would be that, or if you only looked at that, it would be this".

If you asked me who I thought was better out of Gawn or Grundy and I said "well if you look at round 16 you would say Grundy is better, but if you look at round 17 then you could say Gawn is better", it's not really giving my own opinion is it?
 

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That's not an actual overall ranking though, he just said "if you only look at this, it would be that, or if you only looked at that, it would be this".

If you asked me who I thought was better out of Gawn or Grundy and I said "well if you look at round 16 you would say Grundy is better, but if you look at round 17 then you could say Gawn is better", it's not really giving my own opinion is it?
In order, Sidey, Grundy, Adams, Pendles, Treloar based on 2018 performances. Beams would slot in behind Grundy.
 

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Realistically we can have a maximum of 4 players rotating through inside mid, and 3 players rotating through the wing.

Inside mid ability:
1. Adams
2. Beams
3. Treloar
4. Sier

Outside mid ability:
1. Sidebottom
2. Pendlebury
3. Phillips

I'd just play Adams and Sier either in the guts or have him on the bench. Beams can rotate inside mid/forward, Treloar rotate inside mid/wing.
Phillips wing/bench, Pendlebury wing/half-back, sidebottom-wing/very occasionally inside mid.
 

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Nice 5th best but....

Sorry don’t get the lower Pendlebury rankings of some, he’s still clearly our best pure mid. Sidebottom is in contention but pure mid, he ain’t Scott.

Watch Scott live, even if he isn’t as dynamic as you’d think previously, watch him, still powers to position, directs traffic, gets the most attention and his creation is sublime.
The guy is pure leadership through the crunches. Just gets on with the business.

For what it’s worth, Steele is second best as he’s uber elite as a runner and went up a cog in 2018 (likely explanation is team was better).

Beams based on 2018 goes third. He’s a star.

Then Adams pips Treloar mainly because Treloar carried that leg issue but otherwise Treloar by rights moves up a spot. Adams has that big game form too.

Now for 2019 let’s watch bear Sier add that vision and core strength. Going to be some midfield.

Oh (don’t care if you doubt it) if Mr Wells gets fit he’s that missing silk cog to add nightmares to any opposition.

Then just for Duckwood say hello to biatch Greenwood. You’re his!

Grundy!

need we say more... Cox for a helping hand even Moore to assist as required when there’s a bit of fatigue setting in.

Scary!
Pendles lower ranking comes from his lowered performance last year, all be it given a role change.
 

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Pendlebury finished 3rd in the Copeland behind the joint winners Sidebottom & Grundy. Maybe Beams' 2018 slots in ahead but that's hard to judge. Excluding the ruckman, Pendlebuy, a 5 time B&F, had the second best year of any midfielder according to Collingwood. I agree he hasn't quite been at his elite best the last few years but no one is rushing past him.
 
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