Taylor walker

[Alex99]

If everything was going well as in Tex is happy and being well managed a club would be ridiculous to go to this length to try and poach him.

But that's the thing. Does anyone know if Taylor Walker is feeling like he is being mistreated by Neil Craig?

If he does, we may have a problem and he may ask for a trade.

If he doesn’t, Collingwood, Essendon or anyone for that matter can send a million scouts over to try and poach him. If he is happy and is in agreement with the process in place for his individual development, he won’t be leaving.

People say post any reason why he won’t leave; like how he is contracted or he was a lifelong crows fan, how he loves living in Adelaide BUT if he’s not happy, he will and can ask for a trade.

If he’s happy, we don’t have a problem.

 

[relapse]

Bollocks. Collingwood & Essendon (primarily the latter) are prepared to move heaven and earth to get him for three reasons:
1. They recognise that the ability to kick a winning score is critical for long term success.
2. They have no young, talented forwards of their own.
3. They recognise that Walker is a genuine, AFL-grade forward talent.

It has absolutely nothing to do with any mismanagement of Walker, or supposed "destination disease" type policy of playing Burton ahead of him - which I would submit is a figment of your imagination.

EDIT: Have Collingwood even been mentioned in those articles which mentioned the presence of scouts at Walker's SANFL games? The pies DO have a reasonable forward line and probably have less reason to be interested in Walker. The Bombers on the other hand....

Let me ask this question will Collingwood and Essendon be trying this hard to negotiate during trade week with Brisbane for Daniel Rich ??? or with West Coast with Nick Nat ??? Of course not, those clubs wouldnt even bother because they know that they are off the radar. The point that worries me is why they think that Walker is worth the effort and think that Walker is on the trade radar. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire and I seriously hope it isnt the case !!!!

As for the "destination disaease" Neil Craig being too safe, last year we were in the same spot and all said that Burton would be kept on the list for insurance and Shirley would be there as a depth player. Yet with the oncoming September Craig rushed Burton back into the team and Shirley was brought in as a instant in over Douglas who preformed reasonably well against Essendon. The true test IMO will be how we handle the list from next year onwards. Moving Shirley and Burton on (which is the general consesus here also) is the right decision moving forward. I am happy if Walker is a regular 22 next year, but am geniunely worried that Burton will be retained and they will basically keep Walker out of the 22 next year based on Burton being an "elite forward".

Trust me I am happy for it all to be a figment of my imagination !!!!!

 

[Alex99]

Let me ask this question will Collingwood and Essendon be trying this hard to negotiate during trade week with Brisbane for Daniel Rich ??? or with West Coast with Nick Nat ??? Of course not, those clubs wouldnt even bother because they know that they are off the radar. The point that worries me is why they think that Walker is worth the effort and think that Walker is on the trade radar. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire and I seriously hope it isnt the case !!!!

As for the "destination disaease" Neil Craig being too safe, last year we were in the same spot and all said that Burton would be kept on the list for insurance and Shirley would be there as a depth player. Yet with the oncoming September Craig rushed Burton back into the team and Shirley was brought in as a instant in over Douglas who preformed reasonably well against Essendon. The true test IMO will be how we handle the list from next year onwards. Moving Shirley and Burton on (which is the general consesus here also) is the right decision moving forward. I am happy if Walker is a regular 22 next year, but am geniunely worried that Burton will be retained and they will basically keep Walker out of the 22 next year based on Burton being an "elite forward".

Trust me I am happy for it all to be a figment of my imagination !!!!!

You’re not along with those worries.

 

[Mismatched]

Actually it was his second year, the first year he did enough to warrant selection but was kept in the SANFL.

By your standards, not the clubs standards. There's a lot more to being a good forward these days than just kicking goals.

This year he played quite a few games, but everyone got caught up with Burton and how we needed Burton in September

I am just worried that Craig again still hasnt learnt to move on guys like Burton and still thinks they are best option for the future. If Walker doesnt play 22 games next year and the excuse train rolls in about how we should be playing 32 year old has beens that dont deliver in September then we are mismanaging Walker's development.

So much so that we would have dropped Burton for Bock, had Bock's injury allowed him to play. I'm as critical of Burton's performance against Collingwood, however judging by Walkers last 3-4 games at AFL level, I doubt he would have given us much more.

Neil Craig basically needs to give up being so safe with decisions all the time. He is always trying to publicly that the players need to take risks yet he only takes minimal risks himself.

So us playing hardball with Hudson and Welsh post season isn't taking risks? Us delisting the likes of Hart, Perrie, Bode, Torney, Massie and whilst they still potentially had some good footy left in them wasn't taking a risk? Patrick Dangerfield an automatic inclusion ahead of Richard Douglas? Continually keeping the undersized James Sellar in the side ahead of a far taller and more experienced Jonothan Griffin? Really "safe" decisions being made there.

 

[birdmanptr]

You’re not along with those worries.

Yeah its a bit of a concern another club enquires about a player who is signed till 2011 but then continues to ask after him "where there is smoke there is fire" usually.

I think this will all settle down when Burton is asked to hang up the boots cause he and TEX are going for the same spot, for me there is no decision to make Brett great service thanks for the memories TEX welcome to the forward line.Hopefully once the Burton decision is made all this will die in the bum.

 

[birdmanptr]

So much so that we would have dropped Burton for Bock, had Bock's injury allowed him to play. I'm as critical of Burton's performance against Collingwood, however judging by Walkers last 3-4 games at AFL level, I doubt he would have given us much more.


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No way was he ready to play against Collingwood however one more pre season under his belt come round 1 2010 he will be there

 

[Mismatched]

No way was he ready to play against Collingwood however one more pre season under his belt come round 1 2010 he will be there

Which one, Burton, Bock or Walker?

 

[arrowman]

No but we will gift games to someone like Burton based on past glories who spent Saturday night trying to take selfish speccies and then spent the second half doing nothing because he was blown up. Craig even admitted in the presser earlier this year that Burton only had to get match fitness and never had to prove himself to get back into the side, so lets not go down the path of trying to say that all players need to perform to be selected there are certain players at the club who will play irrespective of their form especially when coming into finals where Craig loaded up the team with the senior players and none of them stood up.

I have no problem with that. The only problem is when you have the benefit of hindsight.

Senior, experienced players do only have to get match fitness to come back after injury. You have reason, based on their history, to expect them to perform. They are not "gifted" games, it is a reasoned decision based on experience. It is different from a younger player, where there is no proven history of performance.

Sure Burton didn't contribute enough on Saturday. And who knows, maybe Walker would have played a breakout/better game in his first (?) final, on the MCG, against Collingwood. But that's hindsight. It doesn't show that the original decision was faulty.

 

[King Elvis]

Let me ask this question will Collingwood and Essendon be trying this hard to negotiate during trade week with Brisbane for Daniel Rich ??? or with West Coast with Nick Nat ??? Of course not, those clubs wouldnt even bother because they know that they are off the radar. The point that worries me is why they think that Walker is worth the effort and think that Walker is on the trade radar. Sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire and I seriously hope it isnt the case !!!!

You didn't answer me earlier question; what ridiculous lengths are other Clubs going to in an effort get Walker?

This is based upon one article that had NO FACTS only postulations. they've basically printed an article with no more substance than the 'Knights to go home' post on this Board, just cool your jets a bit.

 

[arrowman]

Yeah its a bit of a concern another club enquires about a player who is signed till 2011 but then continues to ask after him "where there is smoke there is fire" usually.

Good grief, read the article again. It's just a bit of footy silly season fluff written by a journalist who doesn't even know the trade rules, probably based on a cup of coffee with an Essendon recruiter who said "Oh, yeah!" when asked if he'd like to have Walker. Which in tabloid journalist speak translates into "we'll move heaven and earth to get him".

Quite frankly if Tex is ticked off enough with the way he has been treated to want a trade, then maybe we should let him go on the grounds that he doesn't have the attitude to play for our club. But I doubt very much that that is the case.

 

[Stiffy_18]

But that's the thing. Does anyone know if Taylor Walker is feeling like he is being mistreated by Neil Craig?

If he does, we may have a problem and he may ask for a trade.

If he doesn’t, Collingwood, Essendon or anyone for that matter can send a million scouts over to try and poach him. If he is happy and is in agreement with the process in place for his individual development, he won’t be leaving.

People say post any reason why he won’t leave; like how he is contracted or he was a lifelong crows fan, how he loves living in Adelaide BUT if he’s not happy, he will and can ask for a trade.

If he’s happy, we don’t have a problem.

I think we know the answer to that question.

If Taylor Walker feels like he is being mistreated by Craig he would not have recently signed a 2 year extension to stay with us. That is what a lot of people here seem to be forgetting.

A month or so ago Taylor, along with a few youngsters were signed to 2 year deals. If he was unhappy with his treatment he would have looked elsewhere.

I think people just need something to bitch and moan about. Some things never change around here.

 

[cmndstab]

Everything I hear is that Walker is adoring his time at the Crows and has enormous respect for the coaching staff.

 

[relapse]

I have no problem with that. The only problem is when you have the benefit of hindsight.

Senior, experienced players do only have to get match fitness to come back after injury. You have reason, based on their history, to expect them to perform. They are not "gifted" games, it is a reasoned decision based on experience. It is different from a younger player, where there is no proven history of performance.

Sure Burton didn't contribute enough on Saturday. And who knows, maybe Walker would have played a breakout/better game in his first (?) final, on the MCG, against Collingwood. But that's hindsight. It doesn't show that the original decision was faulty.

I was always ciritcal of Burton coming back and was concerned that he was bring rushed back into the side for September and that Craig was banking on the same old people to deliver success in September.

If you look at the average numbers Burton didnt offer anything more than Walker. Burton is higher in goals, but that was because he only kicked four points for the year, but marks, kicks, shots at goal Walker averaged more per game in 2009.

Irrespective though I just hope that I am overracting and that everything is going to be all good because Tex is going to be a gun forward in the comp and I am sure that our club isnt stupid enough to trade him.

 

[relapse]

Everything I hear is that Walker is adoring his time at the Crows and has enormous respect for the coaching staff.

Hope that is true, seriously if Tex is all good and next year he is a regular in our forward line then I will be happy as a pig in shit, I dont mind so much what happened this year as long as it doesnt happen again next year. Walker needs no more extended breaks in the SANFL and Burton needs to be given a pink slip.

 

[craig crowing]

Have not re posted on this subject as Relapse has been making extremely good posts on this subject.
But seriously guys the whole issue is if Burton is re signed and this will put enormous pressure on Walker to get a regular game and it is only with regular games that he will get the confidence to become the player he has the talent to achieve as a goal kicking leading forward.
Maybe Walker still had learning to do but so have players in Dangerfield and first year players like Sidebottom and how much better were they than Mcleod - Edwardes- Shirley and especially Burton.
What has Burton done since coming back apart from two-three screamers but how many times in those weeks did he come from behind to knock marks or bodies stopping Tippett and Hentschell from marking or allow like on Sat.his opponent to mark the ball in front and run off him or stay down and collect crumbs and run off him.
Isnt second efforts used by Reid were major reasons given why Walker wasnt selected.
Now that is past but if Burton plays on and Walker gets limited opportunities what would you want to do in his shoes when other clubs are offering.
Same as Shirley being retained and not giving Sloane the chances that will make him into a member that will take us all the way

 

[Riggy1]

what a shit thread. Even stupider than me.

Feel sorry for the mods who have to read this crap.

FWIW, Walker needs to get sat down infront of a tv, and watch a tape showing what Tippett does both in his second efforts and frontal pressure.

If he starts to do this next year he is on the way to be a great player. If he fails, well. I'll let Neil Craig decide if he deserves a 3rd chance or even more.

 

[craig crowing]

All entitled to opinions but I did say Walker had a lot to learn and never compared to Tippett So cant see why stupid . But thats fine and also fine if you think keeping Burton is going to help Walker improve as a AFL player which I and many others cant
And fine if you are happy if we cant put in our best offer to Tippett by keeping all our four 30+ stars including Burton due to salary cap restrictions

 

[Stiffy_18]

For all those saying that its either Burton or Walker, I ask why is that the case?

Last time I checked, Burton is more than capable of playing on the wing. Re-signing Burton does not necessarily mean that he is taking Walker's spot.

 

[cmndstab]

Also, there is no reason to think that Walker couldn't force a player out of a spot with good training and preseason performances. It's a bit pissweak if the man we're touting as one of our two future forwards saviours actually requires us to delist senior players just to find him a spot in our best 22. If that is the case, the instant a different forward starts to perform he'll be out anyway.


Walker was not dropped to the SANFL because Burton was back from injury. He was dropped because his performances didn't warrant selection. Burton being back at the same time was nothing more than a fortunate coincidence.

 

[Alex99]

Walker was not dropped to the SANFL because Burton was back from injury. He was dropped because his performances didn't warrant selection. Burton being back at the same time was nothing more than a fortunate coincidence.

This comment is not measureable so it has to be qualified as an opinion but you’re saying this as a fact; it’s simply your own speculation.

How many different reasons have surfaced for Walkers dropping?

Wasn’t the original reason given for his dismissal was his lack of frontal pleasure, and then it was his second efforts once the ball hit the ground before moving to his competitiveness by winning his own ball and now it has moved to his attack on the ball.

It’s almost something different every week, but the only comparative thing that hasn’t changed is the fact that Brett Burton come back into the side at the same time.

You keep telling yourself that and one day it may come true.

 

[King Elvis]

For all those saying that its either Burton or Walker, I ask why is that the case?

Last time I checked, Burton is more than capable of playing on the wing. Re-signing Burton does not necessarily mean that he is taking Walker's spot.

Which means Burton will be competing with Mackay (who is untouchable) and... Reilly on the other wing? I'd be very surprised if Otten didn't move onto a wing next year, plus we'll also have Cook/Sloane potentially pressing for that spot; and if Dangerfield moves into the middle, then somebody in the centre might get pushed to a wing from time to time. Throw in Martin when he's back and fit.

I can't see us going with Burton on the wing.

Stabby - Tippett should've been dropped repeatedly last year, but he wasn't, we're now saying the dividend.

 

[crowsup]

Also, there is no reason to think that Walker couldn't force a player out of a spot with good training and preseason performances. It's a bit pissweak if the man we're touting as one of our two future forwards saviours actually requires us to delist senior players just to find him a spot in our best 22. If that is the case, the instant a different forward starts to perform he'll be out anyway.


Walker was not dropped to the SANFL because Burton was back from injury. He was dropped because his performances didn't warrant selection. Burton being back at the same time was nothing more than a fortunate coincidence.

Why do you have to spoil a good(?) argument with logic?

 

[arrowman]

This comment is not measureable so it has to be qualified as an opinion but you’re saying this as a fact; it’s simply your own speculation.

And yet...

How many different reasons have surfaced for Walkers dropping?

Wasn’t the original reason given for his dismissal was his lack of frontal pleasure, and then it was his second efforts once the ball hit the ground before moving to his competitiveness by winning his own ball and now it has moved to his attack on the ball.

It’s almost something different every week, but the only comparative thing that hasn’t changed is the fact that Brett Burton come back into the side at the same time.

Ask yoursefl:

How many of those "different reasons" actually came from the club, as opposed to media and supporter speculation? Is it the club that is offering a different reason every week? And how many of those are just variations on a single theme?

In short, are you confusing media/supporter speculation with actual reasons given by the club?

 

[Alex99]

Look the answer to this argument won’t be known until round 1 or 2 next year and by then people opinion will have changed so there really isn’t any point in discussing this topic (Burton Vs Walker) anymore.

I believe if Burton is kept on the list, if fit he will play AFL round 1 and form won’t be an issue hence leaving Walker back at the Parade.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Stabby - Tippett should've been dropped repeatedly last year, but he wasn't, we're now saying the dividend.

Yes he was dropped ...as was Mackay, who both performances dropped away as the year progressed ......Walker also started well but dropped off.

It's a lot to expect a player in his first year to play every game ......but hell don't criticize the club for not playing him and potentially "burning" him out completely