Team for the 1st test Australia vs Sri lanka (Hobart)

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Hughes will be outdone by good quality fast bowling. Hasn't batted well when he's faced teams with half decent fast bowling attacks this year (Vics at beginning of year when Patto and Siddle were playing, Tasmania)

Shame is that I'd take Tasmania's fast bowling attack over Sri Lanka's any day. Which is a shame because I really don't rate Hughes, but I think that he'll get some runs because of it.

Then he'll keep his spot in India, and the flat pitches there means he won't struggle.

Then it'll come to the 2013 Ashes in England where he'll be humiliated by Anderson, Broad and co.

It's a shame that he couldn't play against the two best fast bowlers in the world, plus the best bowler of the series (Morkel) in Perth where he could get absolutely smashed and make no runs, then get dropped.

But he's no better of a batsman, but could very well end up playing the next 8/9 tests for Australia, before realising how stupid it is for him to be back in the team.
 

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Hughes will be outdone by good quality fast bowling. Hasn't batted well when he's faced teams with half decent fast bowling attacks this year (Vics at beginning of year when Patto and Siddle were playing, Tasmania)

Shame is that I'd take Tasmania's fast bowling attack over Sri Lanka's any day. Which is a shame because I really don't rate Hughes, but I think that he'll get some runs because of it.

Then he'll keep his spot in India, and the flat pitches there means he won't struggle.

Then it'll come to the 2013 Ashes in England where he'll be humiliated by Anderson, Broad and co.

It's a shame that he couldn't play against the two best fast bowlers in the world, plus the best bowler of the series (Morkel) in Perth where he could get absolutely smashed and make no runs, then get dropped.

But he's no better of a batsman, but could very well end up playing the next 8/9 tests for Australia, before realising how stupid it is for him to be back in the team.
Have you physically watched him this summer? Honest question. He is a different batsman to what he was 12 months ago. He is actually fluent through the leg side now and that was his biggest issue, not the fact that he nicked the ball early! Hughes has a decent record in England for Worreshire or whatever their name is. He was clearly the best option.
 

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I'd rather play a few before either. But Johnson getting another game gives him another chance to cement his spot for the Ashes. Do. Not. Want.
I agree but I'd rather play the better bowler frankly and that is not Hilfenhaus. He is Round Arm Hilfy at the moment and that just means PIE THROWER! Jackson Bird should be there!
 

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They're probably trying to work out whether he's banished evil mitch for good this time.
We all know Evil Mitch is never too far away.

The real kick in the balls would be if Johnson was selected ahead of Starc, but I reckon they'll back the young Mitch in for the summer.
 

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ideally hughes wouldn't be here. he'd be left to play out the shield season and we'd really have a good picture as to whether his problems are totally fixed (I wonder how much they saw of his county cricket?). but bailey and forrest have fallen off a cliff, quiney's got one good score this season, and one massive massive failure, and he wants to hit everything when gets out there anyway, hughes is closer to fixing his issues than Usman, and Doolan's got one good half-a-season behind. so it was sorta last man standing. kinda a bummer
 

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We all know Evil Mitch is never too far away.

The real kick in the balls would be if Johnson was selected ahead of Starc, but I reckon they'll back the young Mitch in for the summer.
This is going to sound bad but I thought they worked well last test. It wasn't their fault they had John Hastings serving up Four N' Twenty Meat Pies!
 

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So far we have heard...

1. He was unlucky when he got out making 9....despite the fact that if he hit it on the ground he would not have been out...
2. He got 2 good balls in the 2nd...despite not having to play at either

and now for the pearler

3. It was Hughes fault!
 

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We all know Evil Mitch is never too far away.

The real kick in the balls would be if Johnson was selected ahead of Starc, but I reckon they'll back the young Mitch in for the summer.
whats the odds Starc breaks down? must be at least 50%.

Johnson's batting has really gone down hill which means they can't select him as an insurance policy for the fragile batting lineup.
 

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Threw Quiney under the bus to protect Hughes against the SA attack. Pathetic.
Pretty hard to throw a bloke in front of a bus when he tied himself to the train tracks.

Hughes has done everything asked of him by the selectors and Arthur since he was dropped. He is scoring runs and appears to of sorted out the major flaw he had in his technique.

Quiney failed in two tests and it has cost him for now.

The questions about Khawaja's mental capacity are still there. This is a bloke who got past 20 on 7 occassions in 9 innings (don't count the not outs) and managed to only once make a 50. That isn't anywhere near good enough. Hughes got past 20 on 14 occassions for 3 centuries and 3 fifties (one of which was 88 n.o.)
 

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Realistically neither Starc or Johnson should be in the team. Starc has the potential to be a fantastic bowler, but that's all he is at the moment, potential. Nothing Mitch did at the WACA convinced me he isn't the same bowler we moved on from. It should be one of Bird, Putland or even Cutting filling the 3rd seamer role.

Good to see Hughes selected. He's only 23 and has runs on the board.
 

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Realistically neither Starc or Johnson should be in the team. Starc has the potential to be a fantastic bowler, but that's all he is at the moment, potential. Nothing Mitch did at the WACA convinced me he isn't the same bowler we moved on from. It should be one of Bird, Putland or even Cutting filling the 3rd seamer role.

Good to see Hughes selected. He's only 23 and has runs on the board.
You say all Starc has is potential, but then you mention Bird, Putland and Cutting as the alternatives.

As non-proven Test quantities, surely all they have at the moment is potential as well? :p
 

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Have you physically watched him this summer? Honest question. He is a different batsman to what he was 12 months ago. He is actually fluent through the leg side now and that was his biggest issue, not the fact that he nicked the ball early! Hughes has a decent record in England for Worreshire or whatever their name is. He was clearly the best option.
Yes, I saw him both get a 150 against the Vics as well as the 70 odd a couple of days later. He played well. I have no doubt about his ability to make big scores and put away bad bowling.


But my point being is that good quality fast bowing still outdoes him. You're joking if you think that his biggest issue is leg side, his biggest issue was good quality short bowling at the body, angling across. His too hard hands led to his downfall.

I think you're forgetting a old adage of cricket - a player can score runs against bad bowling attacks or good pitches, but it's when its a bad pitch or a good bowling attack that people fail. He did play well in England, but wasn't absolutely brilliant, but then again he didn't have to face test-quality fast bowling.

The only times that he's faced test-quality fast bowling he's made low scores this year!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2012/engine/match/576086.html
Out both times edging across the line to third slip to the same bowler, just like the NZ series last year:
Here he's playing against Queensland where he edges to the slips again. (second innings)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2012/engine/match/576089.html
Not to mention some of his failures at half decent bowling attacks since he was last dropped:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527851.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527845.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527841.html

That's why he shouldn't be picked.
 

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You say all Starc has is potential, but then you mention Bird, Putland and Cutting as the alternatives.

As non-proven Test quantities, surely all they have at the moment is potential as well? :p
Regardless of potential or not, I still do not see why Bird isn't being picked. He's taken at least 4 wickets in 10 of 31 innings he's bowled in, taken 6 fivefors, and averages under 20. That's stats you cannot hide from.
 

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You say all Starc has is potential, but then you mention Bird, Putland and Cutting as the alternatives.

As non-proven Test quantities, surely all they have at the moment is potential as well? :p
Hah, fair point!

My argument would be someone like Bird for example, provides a bit more control and line/length bowling suited to test cricket than the current version of Starc. Obviously Starc is more capable of producing the Johnsonesque jaffa, but at this stage his tendency to give up a 4 ball every over needs to be removed.

But yes, it's all potential really :p
 

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Hah, fair point!

My argument would be someone like Bird for example, provides a bit more control and line/length bowling suited to test cricket than the current version of Starc. Obviously Starc is more capable of producing the Johnsonesque jaffa, but at this stage his tendency to give up a 4 ball every over needs to be removed.

But yes, it's all potential really :p
Yeah, just messing with you really, I know what you mean!

I'd still prefer Butterworth to Bird.
 
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