Team in 5 years

[DrDavoren]

I think the team in 5 years will be better than the team 5 years ago...

I'm hoping you are right Jmac maybe back to back?

 

[Rusty22]

No chance.

I think so

 

[Scodog10]

I think so

I think it's disrespectful towards that 2010-2011 team to throw around comments like "I think this team will be better in 5 years". I'm sure it's not meant that way and is a show of faith in our future squad, but you can't just throw stuff around like that on a whim.

I'll provide you with some perspective. 2010-2011 was the best team our club has produced in 75 years (1935-36) and considering the difficulty in winning a premiership in a professional national competition compared to an 11 team VFL the only team that challenges it is the 1930 team and here you and Jmac are saying that within 5 years we'll have found a better one. It defies logic.

It's a statement that can only be made retrospectively and considering that 2010-2011 squad had 13 past, current or future AA's plus Sidebottom, Jolly and Shaw and 2 of our best 5 players ever, IMO, (Swan and Pendles) in their prime! It's a ridiculous notion to even contemplate that our team in 5 years will be better. Sure like everyone else I'll hope and prey it is, but to verbalize such a thing at this point in time is silly.

 

[Apex36]

No chance.

Rubbish. The team 5 years ago was filled with rookies who the club had developed well. There's no reason in 5 years that we can't have an equal or better team. It may well not happen, but to say there's no chance is flat out wrong.

 

[Scodog10]

Rubbish. The team 5 years ago was filled with rookies who the club had developed well. There's no reason in 5 years that we can't have an equal or better team. It may well not happen, but to say there's no chance is flat out wrong.

Nope definitely not rubbish I'll just make the assumption that you read that post in isolation and were infuriated by it so didn't read further so please read above. This isn't a comparison that can be done with any sense of justification unless it's done retrospectively.

I guarantee in 2010 supporters were sitting back and saying look at how good we are now can you imagine how good we're going to be in 5 years?!

 

[Rusty22]

I think it's disrespectful towards that 2010-2011 team to throw around comments like "I think this team will be better in 5 years". I'm sure it's not meant that way and is a show of faith in our future squad, but you can't just throw stuff around like that on a whim.

I'll provide you with some perspective. 2010-2011 was the best team our club has produced in 75 years (1935-36) and considering the difficulty in winning a premiership in a professional national competition compared to an 11 team VFL the only team that challenges it is the 1930 team and here you and Jmac are saying that within 5 years we'll have found a better one. It defies logic.

It's a statement that can only be made retrospectively and considering that 2010-2011 squad had 13 past, current or future AA's plus Sidebottom, Jolly and Shaw and 2 of our best 5 players ever, IMO, (Swan and Pendles) in their prime! It's a ridiculous notion to even contemplate that our team in 5 years will be better. Sure like everyone else I'll hope and prey it is, but to verbalize such a thing at this point in time is silly.

cant argue with that haha

 

[Apex36]

Nope definitely not rubbish I'll just make the assumption that you read that post in isolation and were infuriated by it so didn't read further so please read above. This isn't a comparison that can be done with any sense of justification unless it's done retrospectively.

I guarantee in 2010 supporters were sitting back and saying look at how good we are now can you imagine how good we're going to be in 5 years?!

Hardly infuriated. I simply take exception when people make blanket statements like 'no chance', when there is indeed, a chance, albeit a small one.

You said it was disrespectful to the 2010/11 squad to say what jmac did, yet it's also disrespectful to our current young squad to write off their chances of being an equal or better side than that in the future.

So yes. The statement of 'no chance' is indeed rubbish. If you'd said 'unlikely', I would have said you were spot on.

 

[ppoiter]

For reference, this is the 2010 list. 10 survivors. I think we'll turn over quite a few less in the next 5 years

Dane Swan
Scott Pendlebury
Darren Jolly
Alan Didak
Heath Shaw
Travis Cloke
Nick Maxwell
Leon Davis
Simon Prestigiacomo
Dale Thomas
Josh Fraser
Jack Anthony
Harry O’Brien
Shane O’Bree
Alan Toovey
Luke Ball
Paul Medhurst
Dayne Beams
Steele Sidebottom
Sharrod Wellingham
Cameron Wood
Nathan Brown
Brent MaCaffer
Tyson Goldsack
Leigh Brown
Tarkyn Lockyer
Ben Johnson
John McCarthy
Brad Dick
Ben Reid
Chris Dawes
Simon Buckley
Jarrad Blight
Jaxson Barham
Sean Rusling
Ryan Cook
Josh Thomas
Ben Sinclair
Luke Rounds
Anthony Corrie

 

[jmac70]

I think it's disrespectful towards that 2010-2011 team to throw around comments like "I think this team will be better in 5 years". I'm sure it's not meant that way and is a show of faith in our future squad, but you can't just throw stuff around like that on a whim.

I'll provide you with some perspective. 2010-2011 was the best team our club has produced in 75 years (1935-36) and considering the difficulty in winning a premiership in a professional national competition compared to an 11 team VFL the only team that challenges it is the 1930 team and here you and Jmac are saying that within 5 years we'll have found a better one. It defies logic.

It's a statement that can only be made retrospectively and considering that 2010-2011 squad had 13 past, current or future AA's plus Sidebottom, Jolly and Shaw and 2 of our best 5 players ever, IMO, (Swan and Pendles) in their prime! It's a ridiculous notion to even contemplate that our team in 5 years will be better. Sure like everyone else I'll hope and prey it is, but to verbalize such a thing at this point in time is silly.

Here is another perspective. The team 5 years ago won ONE flag. The current squad of young players can at least equal that and may well better it.

 

[Scodog10]

Here is another perspective. The team 5 years ago won ONE flag. The current squad of young players can at least equal that and may well better it.

You posted earlier that you think they will be better and now it's may well be better. Which is it? The goalposts are shifting which makes it difficult to have a discussion. I do hope it's the latter.

I could mount a strong case that multiple premierships as a minimum will be required of the future team in order to match the deeds of 2010-11 because that period happened to coincide with Geelong's best ever team and one of Hawthorn's.

Here's a final perspective from me. Let's not dance on the grave of the 2010 team in order to pump up the tyre's of any potential future successes! The next group of talent has enough going for them to not bring the previous one into the discussion.

 

[Apex36]

You posted earlier that you think they will be better and now it's may well be better. Which is it? The goalposts are shifting which makes it difficult to have a discussion. I do hope it's the latter.

There's no shifting as far as I can see there. One statement is simply a hopeful opinion, and the next is a logical assessment of our current lists potential.

Why get worked up and say that a simple opinion is an insult to the 2010/11 team? Nothing has been said to degrade their efforts.

 

[Scodog10]

There's not much difference

There's as much difference as "no chance" and "unlikely".

 

[Apex36]

There's as much difference as "no chance" and "unlikely".

That was a mispost. Reread now.

 

[jackcass]

Cool my understanding of the thread was that it was best 22 so on the same page now

I think it's a given that 15-18 will survive otherwise it's unlikely that we'll be challenging. In order to be a contender I would aim to have 20 of our current list remaining and the other 24 made up of draftees from 2015-2020 and ready made recruits.

There will be a churn rate of draftees so that's a realistic aim, IMO, and one I imagine most clubs would aspire too.

List turnover has been pretty extensive since 2010

2010 - 12 players
2011 - 10
2012 - 11
2013 - 10
2014 - 10

And while it is true that the GF team was the youngest in decades the same can't be said for the squad which contained Medhurst, Fraser, Lockyer, O'Bree, and Presti as well as the older guys who played in the finals like Davis, Ball, Jolly, Johnson, Didak and Leroy. We were actually quite an old squad.

So we've effectively transitioned the squad to being 1 of the youngest in the league. In my mind that would suggest less change over the next 5 years as the kids get there opportunities to establish themselves. I'd actually expect 20+ players to still be in the squad in 5 years.

 

[Scodog10]

That was a mispost. Reread now.

The point still remains it went from one notion to the next and as stated I don't see an issue with it being the latter. I think you might also be misconstruing my posts because I'm hardly wound up more pointing out that I thought it disrespectful (I also stated that I didin't think that was Jmac's intention) much the same as you weren't infuriated earlier...

It would be nice to read your opinion on the thread as opposed to your opinion on my discussion with Jmac

 

[Scodog10]

List turnover has been pretty extensive since 2010

2010 - 12 players
2011 - 10
2012 - 11
2013 - 10
2014 - 10

And while it is true that the GF team was the youngest in decades the same can't be said for the squad which contained Medhurst, Fraser, Lockyer, O'Bree, and Presti as well as the older guys who played in the finals like Davis, Ball, Jolly, Johnson, Didak and Leroy. We were actually quite an old squad.

So we've effectively transitioned the squad to being 1 of the youngest in the league. In my mind that would suggest less change over the next 5 years as the kids get there opportunities to establish themselves. I'd actually expect 20+ players to still be in the squad in 5 years.

That's true, but I've been saying that we've cut too deeply each year since 2011 so I'm not sure when it will end unfortunately...

This year all of Keeffe, JT, Young, Gault, Karnezis, Dwyer and Armstrong could be cut for varying reasons and unfortunately there's every chance a Kennedy or Marsh could leave for further opportunities or Fasolo and Witts could be traded out to cash in and get Treloar or Carlisle.

 

[Apex36]

The point still remains it went from one notion to the next and as stated I don't see an issue with it being the latter. I think you might also be misconstruing my posts because I'm hardly wound up more pointing out that I thought it disrespectful (I also stated that I didin't think that was Jmac's intention) much the same as you weren't infuriated earlier...

It would be nice to read your opinion on the thread as opposed to your opinion on my discussion with Jmac

My opinion on the thread is similar to Jackcass'. Given the relative age profile of the current list in general, rather than the starting 22 as in 2010, I would expect a greater retention of players over the next 5 years. The only retirements I can see in the near future are Swan and Young. Everyone else has at least 3 years minimum left in them barring major injury.

I'd imagine we will see minimal delistings over the next few years as our squad develops.

 

[Apex36]

That's true, but I've been saying that we've cut too deeply each year since 2011 so I'm not sure when it will end unfortunately...

This year all of Keeffe, JT, Young, Gault, Karnezis, Dwyer and Armstrong could be cut for varying reasons and unfortunately there's every chance a Kennedy or Marsh could leave for further opportunities or Fasolo and Witts could be traded out to cash in and get Treloar or Carlisle.

Not sure why Marsh, as a second year late draft pick would consider himself starved of opportunity. Surely other clubs wouldn't be chasing hard for a pick 70-something who is yet to debut? Yeah, his VFL form has been solid, but he's still very much a project player until he can clean up that kicking of his...

 

[Scodog10]

Not sure why Marsh, as a second year late draft pick would consider himself starved of opportunity. Surely other clubs wouldn't be chasing hard for a pick 70-something who is yet to debut? Yeah, his VFL form has been solid, but he's still very much a project player until he can clean up that kicking of his...

He seems to be the clear number 4 on our depth chart, IMO, so I'd stand by further opportunities being front and center in his mind even if he were to get a crack at it in 2015. A club like Fremantle with Johnson and McPharlin may just offer those further opportunities. I also agree 100% on skill level it isn't AFL standard currently for mine.

 

[Markfs]

i'm laughing myself silly here. I cant remember the amount of times I've posted round 1 2021 teams in this forum....and finally someone is taking up the baton....should we debate who the emergency should be?

 

[Scodog10]

i'm laughing myself silly here. I cant remember the amount of times I've posted round 1 2021 teams in this forum....and finally someone is taking up the baton....should we debate who the emergency should be?

Thank you for gracing us with your presence! I think us mere mortals interested in using a footy forum to, you know, discuss footy should be in awe at the fact that you deemed it even remotely worthy of your time.

 

[sirlothie]

That's true, but I've been saying that we've cut too deeply each year since 2011 so I'm not sure when it will end unfortunately...

This year all of Keeffe, JT, Young, Gault, Karnezis, Dwyer and Armstrong could be cut for varying reasons and unfortunately there's every chance a Kennedy or Marsh could leave for further opportunities or Fasolo and Witts could be traded out to cash in and get Treloar or Carlisle.

**** Carlisle.

 

[Markfs]

Thank you for gracing us with your presence! I think us mere mortals interested in using a footy forum to, you know, discuss footy should be in awe at the fact that you deemed it even remotely worthy of your time.

you're welcome...and thank you for your contributions to the forum! and btw, I'm mortal too and love posting mindless stuff...

 

[Scodog10]

**** Carlisle.

Hah well that's one way to look at it. He wouldn't be my number 1 target (McGovern would be), but I'm somewhat confident that we have an interest in acquiring his services.

 

[Scodog10]

you're welcome...and thank you for your contributions to the forum! and btw, I'm mortal too and love posting mindless stuff...

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